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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy Non-LSD Ergoloids Blotter Thread

Jesusgreen said:
no. Analogues are structurally similar chemicals, it has nothing to do with the actual subjective effects, otherwise for example the NBOMe series chemicals would also be illegal in the US.
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I'm pretty sure the USA's analog act include "effects substantially similar to a schedule I drug" as part of its classifications. Also applies to misrepresentation (selling a bag of sugar that's been labelled "COKE" will get you busted for distribution of a schedule I substance). See anecdote.
 
greenmeanies said:
I'm pretty sure the USA's analog act include "effects substantially similar to a schedule I drug" as part of its classifications. Also applies to misrepresentation (selling a bag of sugar that's been labelled "COKE" will get you busted for distribution of a schedule I substance). See anecdote.
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Yes, selling it as coke would get you busted, just as selling something as MDMA - but not due to it being purely similar in effects, or every grey-area RC would be illegal today, no exceptions. The federal analogue act refers to substances structurally similar, the actual clause is:
(i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
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It also must meet one (or both) of these clauses:
(ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
(iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.
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you can use morning glory seeds and HBWR to become familiar with LSD if you are not sure, and then that way you can tell the difference between a phenethylamine and an ergoline, i think they have different feels

SKL said on PD social that he spoke to David Nichols and that Nichols thinks there's a difference between batches, but at the end of the day we are all just speculating

but in other news i read of something called "bunk police" and they were testing for LSD at festivals and they found misrepresentations

i personally would estimate that the majority of acid out there is LSD, but that's just me
 
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I've never heard of LSP or LSB before this thread, so now I'm intrigued.

Is there a compiled list anywhere of known Ergoloids with either known to be or potentially psychoactive?

Would like to learn more about ergoloids now, but Wikipedia is a dead end, with only a reference to the prescription drug Ergoloid...
 
sockpuppet said:
You will find little but rumors as far as I can tell - many of them primarily spread here at BL. I've yet to see any evidence of non LSD ergoloids commercially distributed despite frequent aspersions cast here at certain Euro paper that appears to be considered in Europe to be high quality LSD-25.
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I care far less about whether or not something is available or distributed as LSD, and far more about the learning more about the molecules that may or may not exist in any form of mass production/distribution and are indistinguishable using the Ehrlich Reagent from LSD.

PIHKAL and TIHKAL exemplify what I want to read about I suppose. I suppose it'd probably be more proper to refer to them as Ergolines, not Ergoloids, as that Wikipedia page actually has more information and a list like I was asking for.

However it is obviously incomplete, as it doesn't include LSP or LSB in that page, so I am curious if there are others not mentioned in that page. Oh and there are wikipedia articles for LSP and LSB

LSB: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_2-butyl_amide
LSP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_3-pentyl_amide

... Ah, those are listed under Lysergamides: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergamide

The Ergolines/Lysergamides seem to me to be almost worthy of being considered a separate class as opposed to being lumped in with tryptamines, since so far there seems to be just as much flexibility similarities in action between them, as there are between substances with a more simple structure and a basic phenylethelyamine or tryptamine backbone?

EIHKAL or LIHKAL perhaps?
 
yes i've been thinking about it lots and i think someone is bound to be making it ...

i've read about a variety of chemists, just the other day i heard of another one that i hadn't heard of until then, who had been busted a decade or so ago. it was something along the lines of; he crashed his car and some authorities found a piece of paper with an ingredient to make acid on it, and then they were busted.
you can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/operation_julie

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and then i also read on here about someone saying a bunch of welsh hippies with a pet chemist (actually that's somewhere in this thread, i just searched it)

basically i think it has to be out there (or at least an analogue) as there is just a mass following behind acid and there is 7 billion people in the world, and i just think it's inevitable - whether it's made in the basement of a French church or the cliché Chinese laboratory or a caravan in a warehouse in the middle of America - there's a big demand for it, and there are people who feel it's their vocation, people who want to 'change the world' etc, and then there's the cash crop side of it

personally i reckon there could be a hidden european organisation somewhere, and then a separate bunch of people in america making it. or simply some smart fuck college students. another consideration is simply there must have been billions or so doses acid synthesised in the past, that there could just be some hippie guy with a freezer load who releases a batch every so often, i really dont know im just imagining this - because i read about this brown vial of sandoz acid that someone kept at room temperature and then it was shared at Hofmann's 100th birthday party and no one noticed any change in potency - so the moral of the story is it keeps

i always find it strange when news articles say "manufacturing LSD" !! like i dont know i just associate that word with factories, as if the kind of thing you would manufacture would be on conveyor belts, like soup cans or car parts

it does concern me the freedom of availability of these NBOMes though... feel far more comfortable buying novel tryptamines from sites that doesnt sell them at all...

OK think that's everything. in other news if you are reading this you should really research how Bill Gates is spending his money trying to end malaria in Africa and genetically modifying banans in Uganda to contain more vitamin A so thousands of children don't go blind and other intelligent uses of his insane level of wealth to change the lives of millions in the countries being massively exploited and overlooked by the capitalistic and self-interested western world ❤
 
That was the lsd I took in the mid 70`s. The operation julie stuff. It was 1977 the bust.

Black micro,brown micro and pink, green and purple pyramid.

It was the most astonishing thing in my life and 35 years later it still was.

I bought some mad hatters about a month ago from canada and while they are a strong psychadelic they are NOTHING whatsoever like the richard kemp stuff (thats him pictured above)

There was not one single thing similar in any way to the lsd I knew and loved. NOTHING.

I have never in my life had any blotter that even comes close to the microdots.

Oh and another thing....the effect was the same every single time. There were indeed settings where you would be more/less comfortable and I did have a few bad trips but the effect was always the same and the peak with cev`s would never last more than 5-6 hours.

I feel privelaged to have had these experiences in my lifetime.

Jan 26th 1977 was my last time on the REAL stuff. Todd Rundgren Glasgow Apollo Scotland.

Half tab purple microdot.
 
^^^this..


refreshing to hear man.. My experience has been the same for 35 years, its like people feel the need to make their experience "the true one".. silly, its no person or generations to own, its a gift for all of us
 
rainey said:
That was the lsd I took in the mid 70`s. The operation julie stuff. It was 1977 the bust.

Black micro,brown micro and pink, green and purple pyramid.

It was the most astonishing thing in my life and 35 years later it still was.

I bought some mad hatters about a month ago from canada and while they are a strong psychadelic they are NOTHING whatsoever like the richard kemp stuff (thats him pictured above)

There was not one single thing similar in any way to the lsd I knew and loved. NOTHING.

I have never in my life had any blotter that even comes close to the microdots.

Oh and another thing....the effect was the same every single time. There were indeed settings where you would be more/less comfortable and I did have a few bad trips but the effect was always the same and the peak with cev`s would never last more than 5-6 hours.

I feel privelaged to have had these experiences in my lifetime.

Jan 26th 1977 was my last time on the REAL stuff. Todd Rundgren Glasgow Apollo Scotland.

Half tab purple microdot.
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maybe those microdots were super strong. it's often said that high dose LSD feels like a completely different drug than low dose LSD. let's say the dots were ~300 ug, and the mad hatters were 80. that alone could explain the discrepancy

i've always wondered about certain batches of L, not being LSD. hoffman 2010s, red shivas (strongest shit i've ever had), blue ganeshas with alex grey art, and red star microdots (2nd strongest shit i've ever had)
 
I can only go by what I've been told or people post online, but:
Hofmann 2010s: From my own experience, these were LSD just an extremely low dose, one felt literally threshold with very, very minor visuals if any.
Ganeshas: Don't let the taste of the blotter put you off, there are many reports out there saying that these have been tested at 60ug (I would say they range from 60-80ug). I went through a fair share of these and to be honest unless it was some very, very close chemical to LSD then it was LSD. Any trips on different blotter since have been comparable.

Edit: If you go back about 3-4 pages in this thread there is some discussion on these, supposedly tested at 50ug.

Red Star Microdots: These were supposedly laid with very clean 'swiss bliss' LSD at a really good dose. It wouldn't surprise me that they are one of the strongest things you had as they were extremely potent and clean. If you look in the old availability threads there should be some info there on these (2008-2010).

In my experience, it's always been LSD. I've had some batches that felt less 'clean' than others, but this could entirely be down to set and setting. If they aren't LSD, they are something very, very close that can produce the same profound effects. Blotter I've had that was supposedly tested (by others online) and those that haven't have all felt the same, except a change in dose.

A lot of people say the likes of ALD-52 are used for synthesis reasons. But to be honest, I've heard of people mentioning LSD crystal before along with vials of liquid. Despite this, I've never, except once, heard of ALD-52 being around and that was from an unreliable source. That 'LSD crystal' could obviously be ALD-52, but it doesn't seem likely given the circumstances.
 
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rainey said:
It was the most astonishing thing in my life and 35 years later it still was.
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If you havn't taken LSD in over 35 years then it's going to be hard to live up to that first experience. You were young and your heart was light then - you're an old man now. No wonder it feels so different.
 
thanks for the detailed response, specialK. all those doses are definitely some type of lysergamide, so i knew they were at least something very very close to LSD. that is the question, whether or not it is LSD, LSP or LSB, etc? guess i'll never know, but my friends and myself have been very pleased with the red stars especially. only had a red shiva once, but it was amazing
 
What is impure LSD like?

Dirty acid: some people say it doesn't exist and others say if you ever have the misfortune of taking it, you'll know. I've just been scouring the net for info on it, and it's hard to find a conclusive answer so, I thought I'd make this topic for anyone who claims to have experienced dirty LSD to tell us what it's like.

Personally, I'm asking because I want to know if this batch of LSD I've been taking has been impure, or if it's me that's the problem. I have taken 1.5 tabs with mescaline (perfectly fine), 1.75 tabs (some ugly sensations that persisted after it was over, but nothing too distracting) and 2 tabs.

The 2 tabs was from yesterday afternoon. I'm still coming down, but that's normal, the trip is usually around sixteen hours for me, but only twelve or so for my friends. Now, this was actually the best trip I've ever had, it was amazing and cathartic and... wow... but, I would have sure enjoyed it more if I could have relaxed. Instead, from T+1 hour to T+3, I felt like there was a metal ball being rolled around inside my eyeball. Now that's exactly as disgusting and exactly as painful as it sounds. It actually hurt. If I didn't already have some experience with psychedelics, it might have freaked me right out into a corner shaking and scratching at my eyes, it was that bad. Fortunately after that it dulled to the background, and I was able to ignore it and enjoy a fantastic trip. Now it's come back, not as bad, but still pretty damn gross. (Like, yuck, yuck, YUCK.)

So does this sound like impure LSD? Could it be that the tabs contain some foreign contaminant that only reveals itself from about 1.75 tabs up? (Worth noting: friends have tried much higher doses from a previous batch from the same supplier, they were fine.) Or, is my brain simply fucking up from too much acid? I really hope it isn't the latter, that would mean I'd have to only take psychedelics at low doses from now on because some way or another I'm not metabolising them properly. I should add again, these feeling actually hurt (or were so disgusting as to be excruciating) and I've never heard of that happening.
 
Yes, that's true. But can anyone who's had 'bad' LSD describe a similar experience? Or is impure LSD something else entirely?

It might just be eye strain being brought out in horrible nasty ways. One of my eyes is worse than the other and I used to wear glasses, and I work all day at a computer screen.
 
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