2c-E deaths in Blaine

Spencer Hockert talked about his late friend Trevor Robinson near the house in Blaine where a synthetic drug was tried by 11 young people
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"Some of them said they had used the drug in drinks and some chopped it into lines and snorted it," Sommer said. "I think they were very unfamiliar how much could make them overdose."
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Unfamiliar, inexperienced, and uninformed.... It also says they dumped it into drinks (alcohol perhapes?) and snorted an unknown amount of unmeasured lines. The article fails to mention if other drugs were involved and if the death was a toxic result of the 2C-E itself. Rumors of supposed friends say he was "freaking out and started smashing shit." Was this death possibly the result of physical injury?

It seems there is a lot of missing information and I am very skeptical this death was caused solely due to 2C-E toxicity alone. The police most likely left out information on purpose to scare kids from using this substance, but I don't blame them and I commend them for doing so. Young, inexperienced teenagers should never be using these kinds of substances, ESPECIALLY they way they were using them, which was at a HOUSE PARTY for gods sake with dozens of people and dozens of uncontrolled variables. It seems like they did everything possibly wrong in regards to set and setting, and as a result they suffered the ultimate consequence, and it is very, very sad.

The ONLY way this drug should even be potentially considered for use is with a tested accurate dose; for a healthy adult with a mature, developed mind under strict supervised settings and controlled environmental factors, with the right intentions. This drug IS NOT a party drug or intended to get "fucked up" on, and I don't know why the tv news I just saw advertised that it was a party drug. Anyone who treats it as one is foolish and irresponsible. The only way I could see it used responsibly is as a tool for spiritual/religious growth or deep interpersonal consciousness exploring.

May God bless his family during this hard time. And let this be a lesson for the friends involved, or people who are thinking about using this drug at a party in the future. It should be a good warning for kids in the future that these things aren't toys.
 
^^^ I've seen a few mentions now online of the deceased "hitting his head against the wall" and the mention above of him "bleeding from his face and eyes"...........I'm wondering if he died from self inflicted injuries, and everybody else was hospitalized for due course/freaking out? He was taken off life support rather quickly, which makes me suspect some sort of cerebral edema/head trauma rather than a "2C-E overdose". Either this or they got some other substance, I just don't see 2C-E alone causing such a reaction. But who knows, maybe they lined up meph sized lines.....

This just doesn't add up , curious for more info to come out.

But yes, very sad, albeit almost inevitable with such easy access. I've said before and I will say it again that even the former "black" (underground) market seemed to do a much better job of regulating itself and harm-minimization. But the cat is out of the bag now.....

Best of wishes and godspeed on their recovery for the unfortunates that were hospitalized...

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^ I believe it was a combination, since I live near them this is big ass news and like 1/4 of the stories are about this. 2 of them are still in critical condition (or were last time I saw the news a few hours ago).
 
It reads alot like one of the 2c-t-7 overedoses ive read about one of those kids flipped out into a violent rage then passed out and died. I have personally accidentaly ingested around 100mg of 2c-e it was a wild ride but I lived and I honestly never felt in any physical danger my heart rate was elevated but thats not suprising given how hard I was tripping. Ill believe it was 2c-e when the tocicology report is made public. I also wonder if maybe they mixed mdma or ketamine or mephedrone in with it. Thats the thing about RCs its hard to prediict drug interactions.
 
idk, I've comboed meph/2c-e/dex and never felt like I was ever in danger. I've also comboed meph/mdma/2c-e, and I know people who have comboed K and 2c-e without any problems.

Then again I haven't snorted 100mg lines of the stuff, but I have read quite a lot of TR's on erowid and it seems like a lot of people have manged 100mg+ of 2c-e without hospitalization or worse.

Perhaps they were comboing with MDPV which would be much more unpredictable? Either their product was cut, or they were comboing, or taking extremely heroic doses like 250mg+
 
I would be surprised if this was actually 2C-E. Over the years there have been so many fuck ups where a psychedelic amphetamine was sold as a phenethylamine that this sort of thing has become common place.
 
I'd like to shed some light on this, because I actually know what happened – I know these kids either directly or through some friends. I've heard what actually happened from several different people.

As some of you have guessed, this was NOT 2c-e, it was actually MDPV.

There's been some problems with kids selling MDPV as something else. I was duped a few weeks ago, someone sold me some MDPV that was supposed to be 100mg of MDMA (molly). I knew right away it wasn't molly, because it was brown. I've never encountered brown molly and I knew something was up. Sadly, before I could find my other friend at the party to let him know. He had taken two capsules – a whopping 200mg of MDPV. He ended up going to the hospital later that night because he started to have terrible paranoia and his heart was beating extremely hard. The kid knew what he was selling, yet he still sold it like it was molly, in 100mg capsules. Really fucking dangerous shit.

The guy who sold these kids MDPV as 2c-e is actually friends with the guy who sold me and my friend MDPV as MDMA. Even more baffling, he had taken enough MDPV the night I was duped to put himself in the hospital. He was fully aware of the effects. I've met gang-banging heroin dealers more honest/ethical than these guys.

These kids run in the same scene as me, as well as the dealers obviously, and this has shaken the scene to the core. Very sad stuff. :(
 
Wow there is so much conflicting information out there on this case. I am sure one of the people claiming to be in the know are right. Hopefully this dumb ass will take it to trial so we can get all the facts on the record. Ill be pimping my sources in the area over the next week for info in a effort to get to the bottom of it, but I don't expect any of them to be sophisticated enough to understand what is going on, so we will have to wait for autopsy results or a trial to get the truth.
 
ThePharmicist said:
I'd like to shed some light on this, because I actually know what happened – I know these kids either directly or through some friends. I've heard what actually happened from several different people.

As some of you have guessed, this was NOT 2c-e, it was actually MDPV.

There's been some problems with kids selling MDPV as something else. I was duped a few weeks ago, someone sold me some MDPV that was supposed to be 100mg of MDMA (molly). I knew right away it wasn't molly, because it was brown. I've never encountered brown molly and I knew something was up. Sadly, before I could find my other friend at the party to let him know. He had taken two capsules – a whopping 200mg of MDPV. He ended up going to the hospital later that night because he started to have terrible paranoia and his heart was beating extremely hard. The kid knew what he was selling, yet he still sold it like it was molly, in 100mg capsules. Really fucking dangerous shit.

The guy who sold these kids MDPV as 2c-e is actually friends with the guy who sold me and my friend MDPV as MDMA. Even more baffling, he had taken enough MDPV the night I was duped to put himself in the hospital. He was fully aware of the effects. I've met gang-banging heroin dealers more honest/ethical than these guys.

These kids run in the same scene as me, as well as the dealers obviously, and this has shaken the scene to the core. Very sad stuff. :(
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god damn son, if I were them, when I got out of the hospital I would torture the mother fucker that sold me that stuff. take a soldering iron to his scrotum or something...
 
The media reports the guy arrested will be charged with 3rd degree murder. For those not familiar with Minnesota law:

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

MN's 2nd Degree murder statute has a broad "death in the commission of a felony" provision that I wouldn't be surprised to see applied here also.
 
^ frankly the guy does deserve to get hit with a murder charge. Selling MDPV as molly or 2c-e is insanely ridiculous. Reminds me of this movie where this heroin dealer gave his junkie ex battery acid to shoot up instead of heroin because he wanted to off her.

What was that guy thinking? It seems almost like he is intending to cause harm.
 
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^ frankly the guy does deserve to get hit with a murder charge. Selling MDPV as molly or 2c-e is insanely ridiculous. Reminds me of this movie where this heroin dealer gave his junkie ex battery acid to shoot up instead of heroin because he wanted to off her.

What was that guy thinking? It seems almost like he is intending to cause harm.
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completely agree, if that ends up being the facts, he clearly caused the death of this kid as described in Sub. A of 3rd degree murder, in MN he will prob get 10 years and serve 6, or less. This should be an important reminder to those who share their rc hobby's with others, test your shit before giving it to others, even if you aren't trying to scam people, if someone ends up dead due to a bad batch, mislabel, etc, your ass is on the line.
 
We must also consider that the dealer was uninformed himself, because no informed person would do that, thats exponentially increasing their risk for getting their: a. ass beat. b. sent to jail.

this is what bath salts, coupled with NO harm reduction in the country whatsoever.
 
Been following this since yesterday, really tragic shit. I really want to believe the story of it actually being MDPV, but I'm a little confused over this part of the article-

"Authorities initially suspected the substance was 2C-I, which is a "cousin drug" to an illegal compound called 2C-B and can be considered illegal if intended for consumption. The state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension later identified the substance as 2C-E, which also is similar to 2C-I."

The first reports I saw of this yesterday identified the compound as 2c-i, which had me assuming that is what the kids at the party told the cops. If they were sold MDPV as 2c-e, why were all the initial news reports saying it was 2c-i? Did one of the kids tell the cops it was 2c-i and not 2c-e? They didn't start saying it was 2c-e until later afternoon yesterday, after a sample was sent to the MN BCA. That has me scratching my head, because I would think the BCA would have definitive testing that could tell 2c-e from MDPV. So did the BCA not perform any qualitative testing? Not trying to call anyone a liar, I just don't understand how the BCA concluded it was 2c-e if it was in fact MDPV, unless no tests were really done on the compound.

Again, not trying to call anyone a liar but this story has gotten more confusing over the last few hours.
 
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amanitadine said:
^^^ I've seen a few mentions now online of the deceased "hitting his head against the wall" and the mention above of him "bleeding from his face and eyes"...........

He was taken off life support rather quickly, which makes me suspect some sort of cerebral edema/head trauma rather than a "2C-E overdose".
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I'm wondering if he died from self inflicted injuries, and everybody else was hospitalized for due course/freaking out?
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I think that sums up much of the current articles trend. Although "self-inflicted" isn't just that; the blood pressure and cardiac and cerebral vascular pressure could have all been borderline emergency with a magnum-sized insufflated dose, then his actions subsequent could have provided the rest of the tragedy.


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2 of them are still in critical condition
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My understanding from the articles and about is that the several users scattered once the decedent became violent, and subsequent when the cops came to the house.

They were tracked down and involuntarily admitted (read: dragged, bad-tripping by cops into a hospital). Given their likely state of mind at this point, this probably would make them incapable of self care and potentially violent, and given the other young man's tragic fate, all were put on the Critical list. [speculation]So, in this case, Critical might not mean life-threatening per se, but rather watching for unknown dangers because of what just happened. [/speculation]

What begs questioning is what the treatment regimen was for these individuals. Were they treated en masse with benzodiazepine or 5HT antagonists or were they only hained to cots in a bright room with lots of wires?

What is the current recommended practice and Medical Technology in these cases, and has the AMA or some professional group standardized them?
 
It's terrible that someone died, but when I saw it on the news yesterday morning the first thing they said is " it can be put into drinks" along with some other true and false info aimed at demonizing the stuff.
 
A drug being able to kill you is just one factor. People love to say "this new drug JUST KILLED SOMEONE!!!" so what? Tobacco ALONE kills 440,000 people in the United States every year.

So what if 2c-E killed ONE person? Two? Three?

It's a drop in the bucket compared to leaving tobacco and alcohol legal. :\
 
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