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oh no!! the magic??

griffenspade said:
Wow, this turned into a far more complicated debate than I thought. I learned some important things, 3 weeks is not a long enough break. And 400-500 rolls is a bit excessive, Iv used 6-10 rolls over a weekend. Sometimes for multiple weekends, Iv slowed down a bit after a pretty intense psychotic break. But Idk, its something that I will always love. I'm just afraid of letting it go, Just having it in my pocket puts a smile on my face : )
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You can still love it and take a break. I've been doing it for ten years now and still love it. If you continue your pattern of use, you'll likely start to hate it. MDMA can remain a very positive addition to your life if you use responsibly. You don't want to see the dark side.
 
foxyloxy55 said:
Hmmm... When I was a teenager, I ate acid every week for like 6 months. It was the same acid each time (I know this because I had a large supply) and I can tell you that I definitely built up a tolerance to it. I would also say that psychedelics can fuck with a person's head just like MDMA can. My brother ate it so much, he quit his job and lived in his room in utter misery for about 8 months.
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1. You just agreed with what i've been saying. (kinda) Every other drugs affects will pretty much stay the same minus tolerance.. MDMA's affects actually change.. from turning you into a euphoric, confident socialite to turning you into a dysphoric, anxious and withdrawn fool.. Sometimes all that you need is a break.. but me and friends have gone over a year and nothing has changed (although it got SLIGHTLY better.. it was still not nice).. Btw this is with tested MDMA..
2. I never said it couldn't.

To those that don't believe in perm loss of "magic*".. how do you explain mine and alot of my friends accounts of it not producing the same empathy and openess.. let alone any euphoria.. and my account of it (and i believe there's) producing no nystagmus (and vert little bruxism.. both physical aspects of the MDMA experience) after over a year (in 1 case 3 and a half years) of abstinence?

Ignorance i tells thee.

*When i say magic i am referring to MDMA's affects causing empathy, love, openess, bonding, intense euphoria, etc..
 
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Would you quit calling everyone ignorant? How do I explain you and your friends little magic loss? By saying you guys are the ignorant ones who turn a blind eye to science and hype each other up about it, making it a reality for yourselves. I have a lot of friends who roll, many of them for over a decade, and NONE of them have EVER even heard of the term "lost the magic". You and your weenie friends can keep crying about it if you want, but the rest of the world will go on rolling for as long as they like without worrying about your little "phenomenon" that doesn't even have a leading theory to describe its occurrence.

Keep calling everyone who disagrees with you ignorant while you pump us full of your shitty spelling and grammar and can't even back up your stance on this with anything other than "but what about me and my friends?! How do you explain that?!" Grow up dude. It's a drug. I know you guys think its fucking magical but it isn't. With more use you're gonna get used to it... sorry. It can't blow your mind every single time.

You can't even stay consistent with your ideas. I thought MDMA left you with a positive outlook on life, now you're saying its left you a dysphoric, anxious, withdrawn fool? Which is it?

Check out this thread. Consider how much this discussion has evolved (devolved?) over the years. It is amazing what hype can make people believe.

Really though, because I believe you're not above it, keep parading around this forum with your magic loss bullshit that you and your little friends cry about every Monday night while you knit each other socks and drink cups of sparkling cider and pretend it's champagne while you burp and complain that it never used to make you burp that much.
 
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rickolasnice said:
You just agreed with what i've been saying. (kinda) Every other drugs affects will pretty much stay the same minus tolerance.. MDMA's affects actually change.. from turning you into a euphoric, confident socialite to turning you into a dysphoric, anxious and withdrawn fool..

Ignorance i tells thee.
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No, I really didn't agree with you, because I can tell you that the effects (that's right, I'm ignorant, but at least I can proofread and spell, since it's effects with an "e" not an "a") of acid changed for me when I did it frequently. Also, I am not a "dysphoric, anxious withdrawn fool" but it sounds like you think really highly of yourself. You are stating your personal experience as fact, and on that note, as mentioned before, this topic has been exhausted, and I'm not going to waste any more time discussing this with you.
 
foxyloxy55 said:
No, I really didn't agree with you, because I can tell you that the effects (that's right, I'm ignorant, but at least I can proofread and spell, since it's effects with an "e" not an "a") of acid changed for me when I did it frequently. Also, I am not a "dysphoric, anxious withdrawn fool" but it sounds like you think really highly of yourself. You are stating your personal experience as fact, and on that note, as mentioned before, this topic has been exhausted, and I'm not going to waste any more time discussing this with you.
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<3<3<3
Well said.


Op needs a break. Simple as that.


Ed needs a mega merge- "wheres my magic? Can i buy some from you?"
 
I<3Molly92 said:
i most likely wont. but that doesn't bother me. im going to live my life to the fullest, when its my time to go its my time to go. etarded or not
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I<3Molly92 said:
call me an e-tard all you want.. tommorow is never promised, live for today
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This is a very foolish way to carry yourself, and you can tell you are very young (born in 1992, this makes you 18 or 19 right?). This will change as you get older, you can still enjoy each day and not want to fuck up your life and be completely miserable (which is what will happen if you continue your path of abuse... the longer you do it, the more likely it is that you will feel the psychological wrath that is MDMA abuse).

Besides... you can quit acting like such a bad ass. If someone put a gun to your head right now, you'd cry and beg and struggle for your life just like the rest of us. There's a lot more to life than getting fucked up all the time, and as you get older hopefully you realize that or you've got lots of misery ahead. Life is one big balancing act... everything in moderation!
 
shiznik said:
Would you quit calling everyone ignorant? How do I explain you and your friends little magic loss? By saying you guys are the ignorant ones who turn a blind eye to science and hype each other up about it, making it a reality for yourselves. I have a lot of friends who roll, many of them for over a decade, and NONE of them have EVER even heard of the term "lost the magic". You and your weenie friends can keep crying about it if you want, but the rest of the world will go on rolling for as long as they like without worrying about your little "phenomenon" that doesn't even have a leading theory to describe its occurrence.
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None of my friends have ever called the MDMA experience magic. We've never spoken about losing the magic.. We've all just noted that the experience is not the same and so have given up. Nobody's crying about it cos nobody really cares.. When i say "magic" i simply mean the empathetic qualities that MDMA first produces.. There are 1000s of people that report that the loss of this affect is very real, regardless of breaks..

Keep calling everyone who disagrees with you ignorant while you pump us full of your shitty spelling and grammar and can't even back up your stance on this with anything other than "but what about me and my friends?! How do you explain that?!" Grow up dude. It's a drug. I know you guys think its fucking magical but it isn't. With more use you're gonna get used to it... sorry. It can't blow your mind every single time.
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*Cries*

The 100s of threads and experiences of people reporting the loss of "magic" suggest that it's very real (remember.. i don't actually think it's magic it's just alot easier to say than "some of the Effects (look i spelled it right.. gimme an A*)

ALOT (No, easily MOST) people that report "magic loss" simply do need a break.. but then again there are varying degrees of abuse.. What about the people that took 3gs in 1 night? Or the person that took MDMA everyday for 2 months? We have studies to suggest MDMA abuse causes damage to 5-ht axons but we don't know how much these test subjects were abusing MDMA. They could have only taken a gram a month..

You can't even stay consistent with your ideas. I thought MDMA left you with a positive outlook on life, now you're saying its left you a dysphoric, anxious, withdrawn fool? Which is it?
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MDMA use (/initial uses of MDMA) will normally cause a positive change to the users outlook on life.. been reported hundreds of times.. MDMA abuse will cause users to become dysphoric, anxious and withdrawn.. also been reported hundreds of times.


Really though, because I believe you're not above it, keep parading around this forum with your magic loss bullshit that you and your little friends cry about every Monday night while you knit each other socks and drink cups of sparkling cider and pretend it's champagne while you burp and complain that it never used to make you burp that much.
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lol will do.
 
foxyloxy55 said:
No, I really didn't agree with you, because I can tell you that the effects (that's right, I'm ignorant, but at least I can proofread and spell, since it's effects with an "e" not an "a") of acid changed for me when I did it frequently.
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*Cries*

Also, I am not a "dysphoric, anxious withdrawn fool" but it sounds like you think really highly of yourself.
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Didn't say you was.. and yes.. i am the messiah.

You are stating your personal experience as fact, and on that note, as mentioned before, this topic has been exhausted,
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My personal experience, thousands of other peoples experiences, studies to suggest long term alterations in 5-ht pathways..

and I'm not going to waste any more time discussing this with you.
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Buh bye! x
 
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It just seems to me, Rick, that if you are going to pretend like you are smarter than me, and throw out big words like "ignorant" you should at least make sure your post has proper spelling and grammar, otherwise you just discredit your intelligence.

Also, your experience and thousands of others are irrelevant. There's nothing scientific about that, and if you make the claim something is real, you need to back it up with actually evidence. Did you see the post in ED about what someone's neurologist thought? It's all in your head.
 
^ How else can you measure it? Anecdotal evidence is the only way of measuring it, really..

But to help support my theory.. how's about a study or 2..

Altered Serotonin Innervation Patterns in the Forebrain of Monkeys Treated with MDMA said:
This is the second half of a study begun in 1992. Squirrel monkeys were given a sub-cutaneous injection of 5/mg per kg of MDMA twice a day for 4 days. The original study looked at the affect of MDMA on the 5-HT receptors up to 18 months after use. This study looked again 7 years later to try to determine the degree of recovery of the receptors. It found some, but not complete, recovery.
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http://www.maps.org/media/ricaurte-mccann.html said:
The researchers based their conclusion on reversibility on the finding on the finding that ex-MDMA users have higher densities of serotonin transporters than do heavy users. Studies in non-human primates have shown that, over time, there is regrowth of ascending serotonin axonal projections after MDMA-induced injury but that a normal innervation pattern is not restored.14 In some regions of the basal forebrain, such as the lateral hypothalamus, density of serotonin axons becomes greater than normal,14yet in other regions, such as the dorsal neocortex, density of serotonin axons remains significantly reduced for up to 7 years after MDMA exposure.15 Thus, use of the term "reversibility" could easily be misinterpreted since serotonin innervation in the brain may have been changed irreversibly.
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foxyloxy55 said:
It just seems to me, Rick, that if you are going to pretend like you are smarter than me, and throw out big words like "ignorant" you should at least make sure your post has proper spelling and grammar, otherwise you just discredit your intelligence.
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Fair.. i was a bit quick to throw out the ignorant bomb..


Also, your experience and thousands of others are irrelevant. There's nothing scientific about that, and if you make the claim something is real, you need to back it up with actually evidence. Did you see the post in ED about what someone's neurologist thought? It's all in your head.
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How so? I'd say anecdotal evidence is very real evidence and it is, infact, scientific.. Do you not believe in being sad? As the only real way to measure that is anecdotal evidence.. What about mourning a loss? Shall we just deny the fact that millions of people experience this because there are no brain scans "proving" it exists?

Remember you've also made a claim and i'm yet to see any evidence to support it.
 
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