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If you are referring to the post above yours; it is saying that some of these thiophene amphetamine analogues have promising effects in rats/mice, but in man were less then exciting.
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If you are referring to the post above yours; it is saying that some of these thiophene amphetamine analogues have promising effects in rats/mice, but in man were less then exciting.
adrandell
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well lacking the ability to sleep, 500mg of Mpa next to me. trawling though the mpa threads and thought i have to actually port here now too or i will just be like a true meth head an take with nothing in return
Iformation ic got from a few places say that unless you want pure asphyxiation or to avoid sleep, this compound will be more or less useless unless smoked or iv'd. i personally do not want to inject any thing that isnt either medically approved by an Md or ink.so im goin to go down the old vape path! tried meth a few times, but i doubt the purity was that great seen as nothing thats illegal seems to be in Wales. sadly bein only 25 i only had about 3 years of bein able to take decent mdma or pills b4 they vanished leaving us with what done the same as "herbal caps" would.
However having smoked Mdpv alot over the past few years i got to love my dopes but at the same time be able to control it an still keep it to mainly a sat night thing, perhaps running thorough to monday ocasionally. its about 3am and i have work at 2pm but the boss bein on holiday im sure i can hide in the corner if need be.
guess il start the same as i woulda given a friend if they asked for a bulb of peevee for the 1st time 25 - 30 mg see what the spoon seems to want me go for. according to some people that should be too much but its im expecting less stimulation that i got of peevee (got sold it as meph racked up a 350 m,g rail aprox an sniffed it id already been sniffing coke all evening so the numness kinda killed the taste untill... bang paranoia derelict slums) lucky really, iv heard from some people thats not far off an overdose but i doubt very much that was pure either as it was sold as a cheaper chemical that it price but i was couped in the corner of the bedroom acuding my misses of havein a armed point gunman hiden in my guitar case under the bed an tryin to kidnap for the progression a a sex farm back in mumbai! Why? i think only pyro-valerone could tell us. but i neva go on 1st experience an tried it again but knowing the score that time. lucky to say the girl didnt wana line cos shes half the size or me an does very little in the way of stims!
alos bombing a few hundred mg of mdaiapparenty complements this into an E like effect but thats for latter research as will the adition of a further 10mg or amt or 50mg 5-meo-dalt. could make a good combo for the few raves i attend.
i realise bein first post and all it may be read but more overlooked more than taken serious which is understandable but all the same il post my findings tomoro night after i finish work.
im 6 foot 13 stone do quite alot of training mainly cardio (4x a week) but some weights(1x week), eat healthy smoke 5 cigs a day and watch what i drink mainly out of curiosity for my poor liver, but the conservation of money too. nothing really stops me sleeping anymore, mdpv did for a while but that went, and the dread awful 2-DpMp (100mg keep u up for days. you will sleep if u can swith the engrissed mindset off but its not easy, and then u gota put up with the feeling of it fucking ur body up, bough 500mg fully knowing of the harm it does cos in my opinion if u aint tried sumit u know shit about it. paper work is merly theoretical and as good as a guess. rashes boiles bad dehydration panic attacks an the sort are common but as soon as sumit stipud pop into my head after the mdpc thing i just think to myself shutup an pick up the strings) now i just gota hope its outa my system so i can atleast have an hour or so kip. i only have a single glass of wine rather mot smell of booze in work cos somehow its frowned apon more than havin eyes like saucers and looking like iv got my car seat mixed up with the steak im having for lunch.
Also just a precaition seen as i have no idea how much il clam for another hit the rest of the is gettin posted into my mates house next foor (locked in small box for obvious reason)
depending on the out come il have a good session on it on sat. i realise its a long post to say yea im tryin this shit but i no i wouldnt be in the slightest bit interested knowing sum1 i know absolutly nothing about was tryin sumit i was curios over
**i appear to not be able to tell the time any more, it's 4am and i must appologise for spelling an all thatmy keyboard well i stood on it an im stuck to using the one on the creen an each letter is like half cm square**
Iformation ic got from a few places say that unless you want pure asphyxiation or to avoid sleep, this compound will be more or less useless unless smoked or iv'd. i personally do not want to inject any thing that isnt either medically approved by an Md or ink.so im goin to go down the old vape path! tried meth a few times, but i doubt the purity was that great seen as nothing thats illegal seems to be in Wales. sadly bein only 25 i only had about 3 years of bein able to take decent mdma or pills b4 they vanished leaving us with what done the same as "herbal caps" would.
However having smoked Mdpv alot over the past few years i got to love my dopes but at the same time be able to control it an still keep it to mainly a sat night thing, perhaps running thorough to monday ocasionally. its about 3am and i have work at 2pm but the boss bein on holiday im sure i can hide in the corner if need be.
guess il start the same as i woulda given a friend if they asked for a bulb of peevee for the 1st time 25 - 30 mg see what the spoon seems to want me go for. according to some people that should be too much but its im expecting less stimulation that i got of peevee (got sold it as meph racked up a 350 m,g rail aprox an sniffed it id already been sniffing coke all evening so the numness kinda killed the taste untill... bang paranoia derelict slums) lucky really, iv heard from some people thats not far off an overdose but i doubt very much that was pure either as it was sold as a cheaper chemical that it price but i was couped in the corner of the bedroom acuding my misses of havein a armed point gunman hiden in my guitar case under the bed an tryin to kidnap for the progression a a sex farm back in mumbai! Why? i think only pyro-valerone could tell us. but i neva go on 1st experience an tried it again but knowing the score that time. lucky to say the girl didnt wana line cos shes half the size or me an does very little in the way of stims!
alos bombing a few hundred mg of mdaiapparenty complements this into an E like effect but thats for latter research as will the adition of a further 10mg or amt or 50mg 5-meo-dalt. could make a good combo for the few raves i attend.
i realise bein first post and all it may be read but more overlooked more than taken serious which is understandable but all the same il post my findings tomoro night after i finish work.
im 6 foot 13 stone do quite alot of training mainly cardio (4x a week) but some weights(1x week), eat healthy smoke 5 cigs a day and watch what i drink mainly out of curiosity for my poor liver, but the conservation of money too. nothing really stops me sleeping anymore, mdpv did for a while but that went, and the dread awful 2-DpMp (100mg keep u up for days. you will sleep if u can swith the engrissed mindset off but its not easy, and then u gota put up with the feeling of it fucking ur body up, bough 500mg fully knowing of the harm it does cos in my opinion if u aint tried sumit u know shit about it. paper work is merly theoretical and as good as a guess. rashes boiles bad dehydration panic attacks an the sort are common but as soon as sumit stipud pop into my head after the mdpc thing i just think to myself shutup an pick up the strings) now i just gota hope its outa my system so i can atleast have an hour or so kip. i only have a single glass of wine rather mot smell of booze in work cos somehow its frowned apon more than havin eyes like saucers and looking like iv got my car seat mixed up with the steak im having for lunch.
Also just a precaition seen as i have no idea how much il clam for another hit the rest of the is gettin posted into my mates house next foor (locked in small box for obvious reason)
depending on the out come il have a good session on it on sat. i realise its a long post to say yea im tryin this shit but i no i wouldnt be in the slightest bit interested knowing sum1 i know absolutly nothing about was tryin sumit i was curios over
**i appear to not be able to tell the time any more, it's 4am and i must appologise for spelling an all thatmy keyboard well i stood on it an im stuck to using the one on the creen an each letter is like half cm square**
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I think its important to see MPA really just as an entactogenic stim - not like mephedrone where there's this secondary empathetic quality. I snorted 35 mgs and found it was actually a such a sober feeling high its almost invisible - but kept me up and focused - there's no warmth to it at all, but the clear headedness makes it more adaptable - for example I'd find late nite gaming sessions much better on this since there's no blaggyness / trippyness / scaryness a la meph and actually coming down was relatively painless compared to similar doses of meph / M1.
I think its important not to abuse it to fuk trying to get some meph like warmth/serotonin buzz from it like how ppl might abuse alcohol to bits trying to get to the same high one joint could offer them - I can see the dangers of just that happening though!
I think its important not to abuse it to fuk trying to get some meph like warmth/serotonin buzz from it like how ppl might abuse alcohol to bits trying to get to the same high one joint could offer them - I can see the dangers of just that happening though!
adrandell
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yea i had smoked 30 mg at 4.15am same effect as the same 2dpmp but considerably less toxic by the feel of me today i cud feel the dpmp doin the damage.but i was sleeping by 9am where as 2pmp wuda ben pron on the weekend id sleep next. il go for chomping 50,g followed by smoking 50mg as i can feel sum engrossment appearing but at the price it is id prefer wiz over this despite how weak it seems to be lately its a nicer buzz unlesss u wana use it for a long i drive i supose. try lil rail of mxe + dalt now 
Hi Everyone. First post on Bluelight, I have been reading posts on here for about a year, so thanks to everyone for some great (some less great on the trainwreck threads) advice!
I am 6ft 3 and about 17stone. Previous drug experience is Coke, MDMA, AMT, speed, Meph, weed, Ket, dabble or to in various other RC’s. I seem to have a fairly high threshold to most drugs (apart from weed, strange, quarter of a skunk joint and I’m fucked)
I am after some harm reduction advice if anyone can help.
Recently purchased some Methiopropamine - Allergy test complete I tried 30mg up the nose, nothing really worth mentioning after 1hr. So, I read that plugging may be the best route for this one. I have never plugged drugs before but after looking over the net for a while, I have found various advice, but I am still seeking some direct answers to questions…
I have a 10mm syringe which I received with some shroom spores in – spores all planted up now. Am I safe to remove the needle from this syringe, put it in boiling salt water for an hour or so and use it? Or is this a silly idea? Or is there another way I should clean it?
Also, from what I have read, and from wheat I have translated from reading about plugging with other drugs… The idea is that I mix my dose of Methiopropamine with about 5ml of warm water, dissolve, suck it into the syringe and remove air. The lay on my side, apply a bit of some kind of lube, pop it up as far as it will go and squirt the liquid in. Then stay on my side for 5 mins or so. Does this sound right? Any other advice?
Also, dosage and come up time? Start with 30mg?
I am 6ft 3 and about 17stone. Previous drug experience is Coke, MDMA, AMT, speed, Meph, weed, Ket, dabble or to in various other RC’s. I seem to have a fairly high threshold to most drugs (apart from weed, strange, quarter of a skunk joint and I’m fucked)
I am after some harm reduction advice if anyone can help.
Recently purchased some Methiopropamine - Allergy test complete I tried 30mg up the nose, nothing really worth mentioning after 1hr. So, I read that plugging may be the best route for this one. I have never plugged drugs before but after looking over the net for a while, I have found various advice, but I am still seeking some direct answers to questions…
I have a 10mm syringe which I received with some shroom spores in – spores all planted up now. Am I safe to remove the needle from this syringe, put it in boiling salt water for an hour or so and use it? Or is this a silly idea? Or is there another way I should clean it?
Also, from what I have read, and from wheat I have translated from reading about plugging with other drugs… The idea is that I mix my dose of Methiopropamine with about 5ml of warm water, dissolve, suck it into the syringe and remove air. The lay on my side, apply a bit of some kind of lube, pop it up as far as it will go and squirt the liquid in. Then stay on my side for 5 mins or so. Does this sound right? Any other advice?
Also, dosage and come up time? Start with 30mg?
change-jug
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Sounds like you`ve got a good plan there! Just don`t forget to try and pop a squat/drop a deuce/ take a dump/ go poop before you plug any thing as any fecal matter left in you will absorb all or some of the drug,robbing you of the effects.
I've tried this substance quite a few times (5-6) now and I keep putting off doing a report because I really can't figure it out. Considering the wildly varying reports I have the feeling one of 2 things is happening:
1) It seems to have very differing effects per person. I'm not a pharmacist so ths could be nonsense.
2) The substances being provided aren't always MPA.
Anyway, onto my report. One of my first so I apologise for any quality issues or if I mention anything against the rules. I will be mentioning a number of different experiences in this report rather than a single one. As I've learnt a little from each experience that could be useful.
My Physical Stats
Sex: Male
Age: 26
Weight: 154lbs (11st) / 70Kg
Health: Very good & very active. I use a Polar heart rate monitor when I can to assess heart rate.
Resting Heart Rate: 40-50bpm
Previous Experience
I've not done meth. I have done speed, MDMA, pills (MDXX), mephedrone, MDAI, ephedrine, cocaine (and other non-stims and non relevant stuff) I've been recreationaly using drugs since the age of 19.
First Time
I bought 500mg and first snorted 75mg (±25mg) on a Saturday morning at 10am-ish. Had that immediate head-shaky-ning-ning-ning-fizzle effect (likely placebo). Felt pretty good almost immediately and lasting about 30mins at that strength. With very, very gradual drop off. When first taking this I fiended it cos I was chasing a much stronger high which never came. Now I've gotten used to it not providing a massive high I don't hammer it as much. My heart rate initially rose to about 110. But quickly returned to 60-ish after 30mins. Even though it still feels like something is there. After a prolonged period of redosing with this stuff it seems to stay up at 120 for an hour or more after last dose. It seems cumulative on heart rate.
General Feelings:
Misc Notes
Exercise: I first took this at about 10 am and continued redosing throughout the day until about 4pm. At around 8pm that night (4hrs since last dose) I had a judo class which I DID go to because I felt fine (if a little tired)! Again stupidly I snorted a line before going to class to wake me back up for the class.
All not clever but I would like to report: I had a MILD fuzziness and my blood pressure seemed 'off'. Hard to describe but it was a very mild feeling that my heart rate and blood flow didn't feel 'right'. I kept checking my heart via neck and it felt very heavy and solid. Rather than a normal Swoosh swoosh swoosh. It was BANG....BANG.....BANG. I've had worse from exercising though and wasn't worried. The class starts with a pretty intense 10min warmup but other than the very mild effects mentioned above didn't do me any harm. I DO NOT recommend doing that though. It may just be my body, and I do judo injured, dying and in my dreams. So maybe my body 'coped'.
Comedown: Little to nothing so far. Apart from the first time I did this but that was likely because I cained it from 10am-4pm then redosed at 7pm. Then had a late night on top of it. I felt groggy and unmotivated. Monged about doing bugger all.
Route of Admin: I've only ever snorted and chased. Both seemed to have the same effects.
Mixing Drugs:
I've tried in the following mixes:
5-APB (200mg) + MPA (300mg) + MDAI (200mg) - I wont' bother with a full report but I will say I had no ill effects. Heart rate, BP and head all fine. Feeling: Fucking incredible. More detail if requested.
Alcohol - it goes nice with alcohol. A bit like how coke goes nice with alcohol.
Methoxetamine: I took the MXE about an hour after my last dose of MPA and noticed no strange effects. The MXE just shut down any MPA effect completely.
Hope this is helpful to some. I'm sorry if my recklessness or language offended anyone. At least I've giving back in the hopes of helping others.
P.S. I did this report after having done 3 doses totalling about 200mg. I really need to stop typing now and just submit the damn thing!! It's becoming a monster!! Ha.
1) It seems to have very differing effects per person. I'm not a pharmacist so ths could be nonsense.
2) The substances being provided aren't always MPA.
Anyway, onto my report. One of my first so I apologise for any quality issues or if I mention anything against the rules. I will be mentioning a number of different experiences in this report rather than a single one. As I've learnt a little from each experience that could be useful.
My Physical Stats
Sex: Male
Age: 26
Weight: 154lbs (11st) / 70Kg
Health: Very good & very active. I use a Polar heart rate monitor when I can to assess heart rate.
Resting Heart Rate: 40-50bpm
Previous Experience
I've not done meth. I have done speed, MDMA, pills (MDXX), mephedrone, MDAI, ephedrine, cocaine (and other non-stims and non relevant stuff) I've been recreationaly using drugs since the age of 19.
First Time
I bought 500mg and first snorted 75mg (±25mg) on a Saturday morning at 10am-ish. Had that immediate head-shaky-ning-ning-ning-fizzle effect (likely placebo). Felt pretty good almost immediately and lasting about 30mins at that strength. With very, very gradual drop off. When first taking this I fiended it cos I was chasing a much stronger high which never came. Now I've gotten used to it not providing a massive high I don't hammer it as much. My heart rate initially rose to about 110. But quickly returned to 60-ish after 30mins. Even though it still feels like something is there. After a prolonged period of redosing with this stuff it seems to stay up at 120 for an hour or more after last dose. It seems cumulative on heart rate.
General Feelings:
- The closest thing I'd compare it to is like mediocre coke with a bit of speed-iness.
- It made me more talkative online. I was chatting in forums and chatrooms whereas I'm normally very reserved. I signed up to multiple places for the first time for the soul purpose of chatting (incl. re-setting password here to browse).
- VERY gentle stimulation. Nothing amazing.
- Higher doses do give some toe twitching and leg shaking.
- Small point: I noticed if I'm cold and start shivering it really hits the shivering into overdrive. If shivering from cold my legs and abs will start locking up and really going at it. So it does give energy.
- Appetite was suppressed and stomach felt less willing and able to take food. This effect seemed cumulative. i.e. after 1-2 doses its not too strong an anorectic. But after your 6-7th food was a no-go.
- No euphoria (never got euphoria from this stimulant alone). Disappointed.
- I'd say ephedrine has a much higher chance of inducing euphoria and that rarely happens with me unless I take a high dose.
- Sex effects (sorry) Made me horny as fecking hell fire. I'm quite horny anyway and normally 'have a go' on every substance (MXE was an hilarious failure!) but this defo pushed me that way. I managed 7 wanks in 2 hrs - quit counting after a while. I started researching if it was possible to do damage by overdoing it - that's how unusual it was for me!
- Does have some unfortunate penis shrinking effects (sorry if thats too much info!). Not insurmountable (still operational with effort) and the soldier is quite sensitive to stims anyway.
- The horniness isn't uncontrollable. I just got carried away. For example I'm on it now but will sort later.
- Sometimes there's excessive sweating and it does smell worse than normal sweat.
Misc Notes
Exercise: I first took this at about 10 am and continued redosing throughout the day until about 4pm. At around 8pm that night (4hrs since last dose) I had a judo class which I DID go to because I felt fine (if a little tired)! Again stupidly I snorted a line before going to class to wake me back up for the class.
All not clever but I would like to report: I had a MILD fuzziness and my blood pressure seemed 'off'. Hard to describe but it was a very mild feeling that my heart rate and blood flow didn't feel 'right'. I kept checking my heart via neck and it felt very heavy and solid. Rather than a normal Swoosh swoosh swoosh. It was BANG....BANG.....BANG. I've had worse from exercising though and wasn't worried. The class starts with a pretty intense 10min warmup but other than the very mild effects mentioned above didn't do me any harm. I DO NOT recommend doing that though. It may just be my body, and I do judo injured, dying and in my dreams. So maybe my body 'coped'.
Comedown: Little to nothing so far. Apart from the first time I did this but that was likely because I cained it from 10am-4pm then redosed at 7pm. Then had a late night on top of it. I felt groggy and unmotivated. Monged about doing bugger all.
Route of Admin: I've only ever snorted and chased. Both seemed to have the same effects.
Mixing Drugs:
I've tried in the following mixes:
5-APB (200mg) + MPA (300mg) + MDAI (200mg) - I wont' bother with a full report but I will say I had no ill effects. Heart rate, BP and head all fine. Feeling: Fucking incredible. More detail if requested.
Alcohol - it goes nice with alcohol. A bit like how coke goes nice with alcohol.
Methoxetamine: I took the MXE about an hour after my last dose of MPA and noticed no strange effects. The MXE just shut down any MPA effect completely.
Hope this is helpful to some. I'm sorry if my recklessness or language offended anyone. At least I've giving back in the hopes of helping others.
P.S. I did this report after having done 3 doses totalling about 200mg. I really need to stop typing now and just submit the damn thing!! It's becoming a monster!! Ha.
adrandell
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this is due to dopamine being in the system over a prolonged period of time and causes tightening if the skin generally pulling your biceps onto the vein next to it causing blood flow problems. lie down arms above head and it'l keep the blood goin and save the worry as much it will pass but depending on dose could worsen leading to blemishes or browning of the skin like fruit does over time. i forget the name for this now, but its on wiki somewhere under dopamine overdose. it can be potentially quite harmful an lead to a number of of things, avoid too much water, as this add more muscle mass an get some vitamin k down u to thin the blood for a while till it passes. and next time stop the bender sooner
Lazyscience
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Great detailed report Osiris9. i liked the bit about the wanking.
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this is due to dopamine being in the system over a prolonged period of time and causes tightening if the skin generally pulling your biceps onto the vein next to it causing blood flow problems. lie down arms above head and it'l keep the blood goin and save the worry as much it will pass but depending on dose could worsen leading to blemishes or browning of the skin like fruit does over time. i forget the name for this now, but its on wiki somewhere under dopamine overdose. it can be potentially quite harmful an lead to a number of of things, avoid too much water, as this add more muscle mass an get some vitamin k down u to thin the blood for a while till it passes. and next time stop the bender sooner
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Proof that MPA does in fact cause genuinely dangerous side effects? I definitely won't be taking any more...adrandell
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this is encountered with 2dpmp but looking at both names there very little difference really just diphenylmethyl it has a longer half life than the methyl thiophen in my experience, methyl lasting only 5 hours id say it sould be relatively safe if not the urge to be redoged can be avoided. but in essence these seem like extreamly close substances in every aspect from chemical structure to effects and possible side effects!
anything with such high or lengthy dopamine release should be avoided as our bodies can not handle such stimulation for a long time without at least some seratonin release to counter balance. and from the feel of both there is very very little is any at all from both compounds
anything with such high or lengthy dopamine release should be avoided as our bodies can not handle such stimulation for a long time without at least some seratonin release to counter balance. and from the feel of both there is very very little is any at all from both compounds
adrandell
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as great as it does feel to wank on this or a lot of dopes, i think it does cause sever strain on the most part in that region. i cant say DONT cos i do partake now and again, but it thickens cum so id say its putting strain of tubes and balls. i also recall reading so about MDPC once although i may have been on it at the time and it never did happen anywhere but in my head so jus call i my opinion, and i suggest doing research if you ccare to find out if im right just in case cos, well i myself wouldn't like to loose this ability. sorry bout the second post straight after one another
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as great as it does feel to wank on this or a lot of dopes, i think it does cause sever strain on the most part in that region. i cant say DONT cos i do partake now and again, but it thickens cum so id say its putting strain of tubes and balls. i also recall reading so about MDPC once although i may have been on it at the time and it never did happen anywhere but in my head so jus call i my opinion, and i suggest doing research if you ccare to find out if im right just in case cos, well i myself wouldn't like to loose this ability. sorry bout the second post straight after one another
Yeah um...one of my balls swelled up and became excruciatingly painful for a couple of days...but I didn't really want to mention that until you just raised this point.
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2-DPMP is a reuptake inhibitor of monoamines (like methylphenidate), this is more than likely a releaser (like methamphetamine). Fairly different subjective effects (and toxicity).
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Check the "New RCs" thread here in EADD and the big MPA thread in OD - will tell you all you need to know. In short though, it seems "safe" on the face of it but who knows longterm? I'd recommend starting at around 30-50mg snorted, plugged or smoked. Maybe start at the low end cos some find it uncomfortable while others find it mild. The effect is cumulative so you can always add more
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The Methiopropamine N-methyl-1-(thiophen-2-yl)propan-2-amine Thread
You'll find all the answers you seek, plus more, in this thread.
You'll find all the answers you seek, plus more, in this thread.
deckmunki
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Dude, please search - there's loads of discussion on the forum already.
"Is it safe" - no-one knows. That's why it's a research chemical.
A good set of +-10mg scales cost me less than £18.
30mg seems to be a sensible starting dose for MPA, but don't combine it with any other dopaminergic drugs, e.g. ketamine, methoxetamine, cocaine, amphetamine, meth, MDMA - at least until you have your scales and know how to titrate up from a small level.
Bottom line is, if you're not sure, keep researching on Google and on here until you are. If you're still not sure, don't take it; basic harm reduction shizz, innit ;o)
/Dm
"Is it safe" - no-one knows. That's why it's a research chemical.
A good set of +-10mg scales cost me less than £18.
30mg seems to be a sensible starting dose for MPA, but don't combine it with any other dopaminergic drugs, e.g. ketamine, methoxetamine, cocaine, amphetamine, meth, MDMA - at least until you have your scales and know how to titrate up from a small level.
Bottom line is, if you're not sure, keep researching on Google and on here until you are. If you're still not sure, don't take it; basic harm reduction shizz, innit ;o)
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