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Heroin "New" Mex brown powder-type vs. "older" black tar

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You are wrong. Even in Cambodia where unadulterated #4 is sold to addicts they add caffeine to smoke. If you smoke #4 as is, either in an almost pure state or as heavily adulterated it will burn before you get almost all the heroin. The exception is Tar (since it is technically #4). As an acetate its 2 points are closely in synch.

You will get lungfuls of smoke but practically no heroin vapour, so its wasteful.
 
well whatever was in my stamp bags vaporized very nicely. At a certain point one of the best hits I had got all the flavor with NO smoke. It had a very earthy taste, needed no preparation and highly reduced the amount needed for a good nod. Perhaps it was cut with caffeine or maybe had fentanyl in it. Despite the possible cuts, it still contained heroin. I am just way too experienced to let this one go....
 
Just thought I'd come back to say that there's some very good information in this thread.

Here's a picture of the dope I believe we're talking about. It's a small amount because well, I did the rest of the bag. =D

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Seems to me that the Mexicans have brought in some outside chemists to help them out, maybe from Colombia or even as far as Afghanistan. Black tar is quickly being pushed out of the way with this new Mexican brown. People are gonna' start dropping like flies...

Remember to do test shots if you feel you have a new batch of dope. Might just save your life...
 
Remember to do test shots if you feel you have a new batch of dope. Might just save your life...

^^^This is good advice anytime you pick up dope. Even if you think you'er positive the stuff you got today is the same as the shit you had yesterday - do a test shot. I know sometimes you just wanna hit that big one right off the bat and get off hard, remember, you can't get off if your ass is dead. Always do a test shot, snort or smoke just to be safe. Because it's better than the alternative.

That being said, tarStar, I wouldn't say that this Mexican Brown Powder is that much stronger than the tar I was getting previously. It's definitely better in quality than any tar I was getting 4-5 months ago though. My dealer has always had a concern for quality since he uses dope as well - only smokes it though, says it does him just as much good as shooting. 8)
 
Thats interesting. In my area, namely Tenderloin, some of the corner boys crush their black tar and mix it with a little bit of LACTOSE. They will crush 1/2g of black and throw some lactose into the mix, the result was usually ~1g fine brown powder that was reportedly very smooth to sniff. It looked like brown powder, and it fooled a lot of people into thinking that it really was powder; but in the end it was just high quality black tar.

Very possible that they are pushing black mixed with some kind of powder to get a foothold on the east coast market. Contrary to what many people believe, there is black tar heroin that rivals east coast powder in quality. having done both, personally, I would take black tar over powder any day.
 
black tar has all those yummy alkaloids that east coast just does not. I think the lactose comment is absolutely true, that pic looks nothing like east coast heroin
 
I am knowledgeable regarding this topic. Lol.

They are the same thing, in essence. If you simply introduce moisture to the brown powder, it will turn into tar. And with moisture, i mean exhaling on it.
 
AFOAF has plenty of first hand experience. AFOAF is also a chemist, and has performed several extractions (using legitimate lab equipment like Bucchi rotavaps, and HPLC grade non-stabilized 99.996% ether)


from reading Microgram bulletin, other journals/references, first hand experience...

AFOAF can be quite certain that the following is accurate:


1) "brown tar" or "brown powder" is generally a relatively high OPIATE purity "no 2" (free base) heroin.

it is not high purity HEROIN (eg: diacetyl morphine), but instead high purity OPIATE.

uncut material (which AFOAF has received on many occasions, visibly cut from kilogram blocks in 25 gram "balls") is likely upwards of 80% OPIATE (at the very least).

what does this mean? It means that the central/south american groups that process this material do not have the faculties and experience to produce high purity DIAMORPHINE in high yield.


instead, the product is a mixture of morphine, both mono-acetyl intermediates, and diamorphine (heroin), as well as impurities like codeine, excess acetic acid, and water.


the production method does not include a dehydration step (in the laboratory, you would use a dehydrating agent like Na2SO4 and a Brine wash), and thus the product sold is the HYDRATE.


this mixture results in innaccurate claims that mexican brown powder is "low quality" or "low potency"


it just simply has a lower proportion of the actual heroin to the other reaction intermediates and starting material as opposed to central/southeast asian heroin.


2) brown powder, and indeed most "domestic" forms of heroin are rarely cut, because most are found originally as a freebase.


cutting a freebase is extremely difficult (in comparison to central/southeast asian no 4 HCl and sulfate salts).


the freebase is often sticky/oxidized (though not tar like, that I will come to in a moment), and does not easily "mix" with a cutting agent.


when it is cut, it is usually done so before it is packaged in balloons (because the only groups/gangs with the resources to cut this material successfully/economically are the same groups that sell it on the streets)


again: AFOAF's experience is that Balloons are usually cut, whereas large chunks of the raw, unpackaged material are usually NOT cut.


3) Brown powder is not "new." it is simply the fact that Mexican gangs have relatively recently stepped up their efforts. A quick Google News search will corroborate the claim that there has been a relatively recent significant increase in the influx of central/south american heroin across the US border.

so basically, it is not new, it is just more commonly available than it used to be, and so it is proportionately more common than Tar.

it is also way cheaper than it was 10 years ago. 10 years ago, balloons were pretty much the only easy way to get it, and they would run NO PRICES in LA barrios...


now, you can routinely buy the stuff as gram chunks for NO PRICES (which works out to about NO PRICES per balloon, according to the usually weight of 0.20 to 0.25 grams per balloon)


AFOAF used to get "balls" (Ball = 25 grams, not an "8 ball" which is different) of extremely fresh (AFOAF used to call it "fresh off the brick"), powdery, extremely pungent material for NO PRICES .

AFOAF is white, and was, by no means, getting a good deal. Hispanic associates of AFOAF who were dealing with the same individuals routinely purchased the same quantities for NO PRICES /25 gram ball.


4) Tar. AFOAF's experience with Tar seems to indicate that Tar is actually produced in a completely different method.


Whether Tar comes over the border that way, or is converted Domestically is an open question...

however, it is evident from AFOAF's experience that the SIGNATURE characteristic of Brown powder (the existence of non-heroin morphine alkaloids) ARE NOT PRESENT in the Tar....


AFOAF bases this on a few pieces of anectdotal and direct evidence:

discussions of purity have taken place in publications, claiming that Brown powder has 5-10% heroin, whereas tar may have as much as 20% heroin... YET we all know that Tar is less potent.

AFOAF actually extracted both using the proper tools and materials, and the Tar produces significantly more product than the powder (10% yield of brilliant white, extremely potent powder from Tar, vs a thick, sticky orange paste from the powder)

this would suggest that the composition of the 2 materials is significantly different.


this would further suggest that Tar is NOT a simple "highly cut" version of the brown powder, and is most likely a completely different beast altogether.
 
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you dont need to say a friend of a friend.....welcome to bl. looking at the powder pictured leads me to believe it is not the same as the east coast dope. A signature uality of east coast heroin (may be due to the packaging, but most likely no) is the "flakes". The dope very rarely has a sandy texture and seems to clump in flat flakes rather than any kind of "chunk"
 
They have the "new" lighter mexi-chunk mentioned in the OP here in Kansas City. It's dark like normal tar but then it breaks out into light-brown powder-ish stuff. Ive heard it called "chocolate chip" by a couple people here. It's def. better than the old tar we had that sometimes still seems to go around.

I'm probably not the best local to ask though as I've only bought maybe 5 times but it's from a legit, older african-american dude who's really damn cool.
 
Just thought I'd come back to say that there's some very good information in this thread.

Here's a picture of the dope I believe we're talking about. It's a small amount because well, I did the rest of the bag. =D

NSFW:

img0243xc.jpg


Im not sure if thats what the OP was referring to but its what I figured he was talking about. One of my connects gets the typical tar whereas another connect has mainly been getting this "powder tar" lately. Its powdery but tars up at the slightest bit of moisture or heat.
 
Lots of good info in here, guys... I've always been intrigued about the different kinds and qualities of dope beyond the stamp bags which is all I've ever known, and about geographical differences in drug markets generally.
 
Yeah that pic ThePharmacist has pretty much is what I get...oh whaddya know we're both from the Minneapolis area? lol But the stuff I got today from guy #2 is darker brown powder that almost has little crystal pieces in it that glisten in the sun, no joke...beautiful sight lemme tell ya
 
Personally I don't think one is better than the other. It's all just different cuts.
For what I've heard you can trun tar into anything and no matter how much they claim "I don't touch it this is how it arrived across the border" it's bullshit.
I've had both types be decent and both be crappy.
BTw-The brown powder that I've had in Europe (Barcelona in my case) was middle eastern.
Trust me nothing to do with Mexican dope
Compared to mexican tar I'd take it any day. Us that live in the US west of the Miss River are totally screwed mexicans totally control the market. Smoking it unlike powder tastes awful. and shooting it it fucks up the veins in no time and If the mexicans are gong to control it could they at east learn how to properly produce it??. I doubt we'll ever be so lucky
 
Even though I get both I still think the "older" type as you all put it is better. At least out here it is. The powdery stuff is great since it cooks up in no time, but yesterday I got the old type since my main guy lost his phone and was absolutely floored off a smaller shot than the powdery stuff.
 
sorry to post this after so long but i think you're referring to gunpowder which is the only type of heroin being sold here in Oregon. it is made with fetynal instead of morphine. 10x stronger then black tar
 
Personally I don't think one is better than the other. It's all just different cuts.
For what I've heard you can trun tar into anything and no matter how much they claim "I don't touch it this is how it arrived across the border" it's bullshit.
I've had both types be decent and both be crappy.
BTw-The brown powder that I've had in Europe (Barcelona in my case) was middle eastern.
Trust me nothing to do with Mexican dope
Compared to mexican tar I'd take it any day. Us that live in the US west of the Miss River are totally screwed mexicans totally control the market. Smoking it unlike powder tastes awful. and shooting it it fucks up the veins in no time and If the mexicans are gong to control it could they at east learn how to properly produce it??. I doubt we'll ever be so lucky
Yes we are, I've only ever seen the powder heroin in Utah,the kind where you can breathe on it to make it more tar-like. Tastes like a rotten ass and hurts to high hell when you inject it for like 8 hours.
 
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