Ecstasy drought sees switch to meow meow

[thestudent14]

aww, But I wanted to see the images =(
It could carry SOME level of HR.

 

[lifetolifeless_]

Cheers, I've been floating around reading bluelight for a while and feel it a comfortable place to share what I have to say from experience with my experiments/somewhat addictions *cough* and will continue to do so.. The Molly around here is lush.. Good luck in Victoria, I hope she finds you soon

 

[groova]

In years gone by, there have been many pills in the high 100's in Australia, but not since the early to mid 00's. There are currently a fair few pills in the 100-170mg range in Europe. Can only hope that they make their way to our shores in the millions...

Even the infamous red mitsi's of '04 were apparently only 110mg and they were killing people that were used to double or triple dropping! The authorities and doctors thought they were PMA to begin with...
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National...red-party-pills/2004/12/20/1103391701906.html

I swear I read a Herald Sun article stating that they were much higher than that (190mg) and i've had nothing as strong before or since those pills. That article had me making phone calls and taking a week off work within 10 seconds of reading it. Talk about waving a red flag at a bull. Those were the days %)

What's going to happen when the new generation of ecstasy users, come into contact with some real deal pingers???

The younger generation have been taking 5+ (I'm reading reports of 10+ in one sitting *sigh*) low dose, adulterated or bunk pills in a night and many of them have no idea that 2-3 high dose MDMA pills could be deadly toxic.

I OD'd when I dropped a blue sky and a yellow panda together back in 2004, it wasn't fun

Ah fond memories, never tried those mitsi's though. Interested to know if you had the orange stars around new years '03 or the beige A/V's ('04) at all...would love to get a mg rating on those puppies, have no idea in retrospect (mid 100's perhaps?) as my tolerance was just so low back then and everything seemed amazing.

But yes, I have not tried this meow meow everyone speaks of, did I actually miss anything?

One question though, how easy is the transformation from mdxx to mdma?......there does appear to be a few more mdxx pills appearing in the last 2/3 mnths, however rarely do they have the preferred ingredient we all want. Is this simply a case of amateur cooking skills and chemistry inexperience, as the dutch seem to have absolutely mastered mdma production to a fine art, however I've gathered that they obviously have much better resources than australian producers do and the dutch clearly take pride in their work.

All I know is it would be a pleasure being in an environment again where the majority of punters were all on a similar wavelength again.....

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

Ah fond memories, never tried those mitsi's though. Interested to know if you had the orange stars around new years '03 or the beige A/V's ('04) at all...would love to get a mg rating on those puppies, have no idea in retrospect (mid 100's perhaps?) as my tolerance was just so low back then and everything seemed amazing.

But yes, I have not tried this meow meow everyone speaks of, did I actually miss anything?

One question though, how easy is the transformation from mdxx to mdma?......there does appear to be a few more mdxx pills appearing in the last 2/3 mnths, however rarely do they have the preferred ingredient we all want. Is this simply a case of amateur cooking skills and chemistry inexperience, as the dutch seem to have absolutely mastered mdma production to a fine art, however I've gathered that they obviously have much better resources than australian producers do and the dutch clearly take pride in their work.

All I know is it would be a pleasure being in an environment again where the majority of punters were all on a similar wavelength again.....

The orange stars were over the 100mg mark for sure. The beige A/V's were a mixture of MDMA/MDA and maybe another chemical, this is why they gave such an incredibly strong munt. No other pill has messed me up like those A's, not even when I've tried my own mixes of MDA/MDMA have I got that messy from MD**. The ingredients were quite obviously impure, as, clean crystal does not give anywhere near as much of a munt and has way less eye wobbles and jaw clench (side effects).

Don't worry one bit about Mephedrone (please don't use the media hyped name 'meow meow'), you haven't missed anything special at all. Most users find the first dose interesting, but it's no MDMA replacement.

As for the final question, we don't allow synthesis discussion here. I can tell you that it's not a reason of transformation from MD** to MDMA. There are a few factors that have lead to the current drought of MDMA in Australia. One major factor is the Calabrian mafia ecstasy bust of 2008 in Melbourne (to this day, the worlds biggest MDMA bust). They were responsible for up to 90% of Australia's MDMA containing ecstasy and with such a large crew, plus it's supply lines taken out, it will be a long time before anybody can match their numbers.

Another large factor is the AFP's precursor elimination programs that are targeting safrol oil production in SE Asia (main precursor to MDMA). This makes it harder than it was to get the material needed to make large amounts of MDMA for us Aussies. A lot of the MDMA currently flooding Europe may not be from safrole at all, there is a good chance that they have started to use piperonal as their starting material. This would be made by underground labs or diverted from the food and cosmetics industries.

The final factor that has lead to so many bunk, low dose and adulterated pills in our country, is the amount of other easily obtainable chemicals that can be substituted for MDMA. In the past few years, research chemicals and piperazines have flooded the market. These chemicals cost a fraction of what MDMA costs, are easily obtainable, desperate people still eat them and they make crime syndicates even more money than MDMA. If you are money orientated and don't give a shit about your clients (as most large drug producers don't), then why would you pay the extra for MDMA when you are making a motza from fake tablets? People have to stop buying these pills if there is ever to be a significant change in the Australian pill market.

I hope that gives you some insight into what's going on in the Australian ecstasy market and that you can spread this information with your friends

 

[footscrazy]

Oh the A's and V's, I'll never forget them, fav bics of all time

There does seem to be some MDMA coming back, though as I feared it's come with an increased price. Annoying that you have to pay top dollar to get a pill which actually contains what it's meant to.

 

[groova]

That's a very good response, much appreciated Psilo, I was aware of the Clabrian mafia bust but was not aware of the other contributing factors mentioned, it all seems much clearer now.

And I assure you, I wouldn't ever support dodgy crap peddling dealers......in fact my connections have almost given up on pills altogether, partly because of there refund policy giving them headaches but mainly due to an inconsistent and poor quality supply side as you mentioned. I guess the AFP should be proud of themselves.....shame that everything else seems to be flowing stronger than ever, drugs far more dangerous than mdma.

footscrazy......haha, I loved them too, as dirty as they may have been.....so potent.

 

[lifetolifeless_]

a few months ago there was quite a steady flow of bk-MDMA (methylone) which is also a good substitute for the real deal but requires higher doses 250mg ~ 100mg.

Once again, good first post. You should stick around

Yeah I saw a bit of that but only one friend of mine is actually into it and can/will source it, with full knowledge thats what it is.. Pays to surround yourself with people who actually give a fuck about what they're ingesting..

And I definitely will stick around

 

[MrIbis]

can someone tell me why people assume 'mdxx' is a chemical name?

I'll use an old example from DOS games...

"where "x: \ is the drive letter associated with your cd-rom drive"

X is a wildcard for the multitude of suffixes for MDxA related chemicals.

 

[hoptis]

I guess the AFP should be proud of themselves.....shame that everything else seems to be flowing stronger than ever, drugs far more dangerous than mdma.

Only have to look at the number of meth-related threads on the Aus DD page index.

 

[Verybuffed]

Where is the post from igloo that was just here?

I was just about to reply and it vanished.

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

Where is the post from igloo that was just here?

I was just about to reply and it vanished.

It was deleted by the poster

 

[Verybuffed]

It was deleted by the poster

That sucks. I found it very informative. Thanks for the explanation though.

 

[Rise Against]

I know I've personally trialed Mephedrone due to a lack of MDMA...well a lack of MD anything to be more blunt. My opinion...it doesn't stand anywhere near MDMA, not even a comparison and i can't say i desire to try it again.

Also trialed bk-mdma (which was sold to me as molly). This IMO is the closest thing to MDMA ive had in the last couple of years, but very much a shortened experience. As stated a good dose is alot higher than that of MDMA, I found 250-300mg to feel extremely close to MDMA, almost identical when peaking.

The major differences i experienced were that the come up was very quick, say 15 minutes. Give it 20 minutes and you'd feel like you're at the peak. Peak would last say 1/2 hr to an hour and then a short come down, if you'd call it that, and no real crash to speak of, more so just returning to sober as such.

Also recently had white moons, and it's good to get a pill that actualy has some MDxx in it. Looking through PR, it seems like it was short lived and alot of horrible pills are showing up again. We need some ballsy calabrians to come save the day again

I don't think mephedrone, methylone or any RC would have taken off if MDMA was easily available. Alot of people on here saying "It's available in the right circles" don't seem to realise how hard it actually is to aquire at the moment and how small of a % are in "the right circles". Although hearing all this talk about quality in NSW/QLD is a good sign.

Hey maybe "meow meow" (worst street name given to a drug...ever...) was doomed with me from the start as I was only after a big claw of MDMA to scratch that itch but I honestly don't see the comparison to MDMA.

 

[big plums]

In years gone by, there have been many pills in the high 100's in Australia, but not since the early to mid 00's. There are currently a fair few pills in the 100-170mg range in Europe. Can only hope that they make their way to our shores in the millions...

Even the infamous red mitsi's of '04 were apparently only 110mg and they were killing people that were used to double or triple dropping! The authorities and doctors thought they were PMA to begin with...
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National...red-party-pills/2004/12/20/1103391701906.html

I swear I read a Herald Sun article stating that they were much higher than that (190mg) and i've had nothing as strong before or since those pills. That article had me making phone calls and taking a week off work within 10 seconds of reading it. Talk about waving a red flag at a bull. Those were the days %)

What's going to happen when the new generation of ecstasy users, come into contact with some real deal pingers???

The younger generation have been taking 5+ (I'm reading reports of 10+ in one sitting *sigh*) low dose, adulterated or bunk pills in a night and many of them have no idea that 2-3 high dose MDMA pills could be deadly toxic.

I OD'd when I dropped a blue sky and a yellow panda together back in 2004, it wasn't fun

the red mitz where not pma and they sure as hell not the best pill of 2004... what a fking year that was....

kicked off with pandas then pills like white kangeroos god they where good then it was all about the 4mm by 8mm pressed pills doves tulips rolex butterfly's fuk me so damm good!!!

as for them coming here by the millions whos to say there not here already??? but who can move them when people are paying xxx amount for 100 these days as jim and joe where paying for 10 thousand back in 2004 ???

 

[wazza]

can someone tell me why people assume 'mdxx' is a chemical name?

I'll use an old example from DOS games...

"where "x: \ is the drive letter associated with your cd-rom drive"

X is a wildcard for the multitude of suffixes for MDxA related chemicals.

The government's stance on "Just say no to drugs" I.e NO real worthwhile information out there to guide the "average Joe" into actually having knowledge that is worthwhile, just the "Your brain on drugs" and showing some scan that can be interpreted (in reality) is "This is bullshit but we are showing it to scare people who don't know better"

I mean come on, how stupid would it be for drug users to actually have information that may save lives!?!? The road safety campaign, the war on drugs is 2 things that shows us the government is more concerned about making $$$ (and even then that's on thin ice, fines from drug offences outweighs the cost of sending people to jail? and the lives actually saved vs cost of society having a lot more 'little to big" accidents, well incidents because some people have their eyes more on their speedo than the road/near road) than saving lives. Close your eyes, there you go, all the troubles of the world are gone. If it can't be seen, it musn't be there!

 

[sex_bomb]

Oh the A's and V's, I'll never forget them, fav bics of all time

you get what you pay for.............av,s were not cheap like todays rounds

 

[Christ!]

you get what you pay for.............av,s were not cheap like todays rounds

You get what you pay for? You've got to be kidding me I've found that to be rare lately especially with pills.


2004 was great. I've dabbled maybe 2-3 times a year on average since then and mostly it just doesn't compare - thought it might have been because I burned out my receptors (or 'lost the magic') but a good dose of clean molly made me change my mind in 2008. It's just too hard atm and not really worth it IMO (with pills)

Would love to get average purity/adulterate levels for each year along with MDMA dose averages of all the seized pills....remember seeing something like this on methamphetamine a while ago.

 

[OND43X]

you get what you pay for.............av,s were not cheap like todays rounds

the price of a pill today is nowhere near the price it should be to make your statement accurate. If an E here today was around the same they pay in canada i would agree. If i was to buy a beige A, V back in early 2004 it would cost me 1/3rd more than buying an e today. Not really getting what you pay for these days when 1/2 to 1 beige A would get a regular e user off their head. Not like today where notice e users are doubling on their second time on e

 

[C_Tripper]

Honestly don't know why you'd bother with pills at all: there's clean molly floating around if you know where to look. Last night was very much a testament to that!

 

[Verybuffed]

Honestly don't know why you'd bother with pills at all: there's clean molly floating around if you know where to look. Last night was very much a testament to that!

It might be time for one or more of you guys to write up a "Tuesday Blues/Suicide Mondays" thread for some of the newer members who don't know the downside to MDMA. I imagine there will be some first time users wondering why they are feeling depressed etc.

It will be interesting to see if 5-htp becomes popular again.