Ecstasy drought sees switch to meow meow

[becam]

I'm afraid that if Australia sees an insurgence of these 150mg + pills we could have a very high instance of overdoses as all the new punters who have only started in the last couple of years haven't experience MDMA at all or if they have been lucky too it has been at extremely low doses.

Most of these kids are doubling or tripling to "get where they need to be" according to most posts on Pill Reports. Keep in mind that there is only a small percentage of punters who check Pill Repots so therefore we could have many kids dumping multiples of these not realising that they are of a high does of MDMA.

I have always said that its not MDMA high unless you can peak off of a 1/2 a pill. Back in the 90's 1 would last the night....any way not going to get nostalgic as we all know how good it was.

Let's just hope that these kids play it safe......

 

[psytaco]

In years gone by, there have been many pills in the high 100's in Australia, but not since the early to mid 00's. There are currently a fair few pills in the 100-170mg range in Europe. Can only hope that they make their way to our shores in the millions...

Even the infamous red mitsi's of '04 were apparently only 110mg and they were killing people that were used to double or triple dropping! The authorities and doctors thought they were PMA to begin with...
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National...red-party-pills/2004/12/20/1103391701906.html

I swear I read a Herald Sun article stating that they were much higher than that (190mg) and i've had nothing as strong before or since those pills. That article had me making phone calls and taking a week off work within 10 seconds of reading it. Talk about waving a red flag at a bull. Those were the days %)

What's going to happen when the new generation of ecstasy users, come into contact with some real deal pingers???

The younger generation have been taking 5+ (I'm reading reports of 10+ in one sitting *sigh*) low dose, adulterated or bunk pills in a night and many of them have no idea that 2-3 high dose MDMA pills could be deadly toxic.

I OD'd when I dropped a blue sky and a yellow panda together back in 2004, it wasn't fun

I remember the hysteria behind the red mitsubishis. On my 19th birthday i was chasing down pills in a club and couldn't find anything but these. I declined due to believing they were PMA. Turns out they weren't and I could had the best pill i have ever had! Oh well, at least I was practicing harm min.

Good news that there are good pills circulating other parts of the world. it would only take some well resourced syndicate to get hold of alot of them, and the drought in Australia will hopefully be lifted.

 

[Crankinit]

Good news that there are good pills circulating other parts of the world. it would only take some well resourced syndicate to get hold of alot of them, and the drought in Australia will hopefully be lifted.

Sadly, as someone in the coke bust thread mentioned, the profit margins probably aren't what they are for importing coke or shards, so I think we'll be stuck waiting until there's a market saturation with those causing the price to drop (if that's even possible) before people start thinking to import MDMA in bulk.

Or until some genius realizes he could easily sell pure, uncut molly for the same price as those, or higher.

The people who have the power to make this happen just don't give a fuck about the punters, they're out to make cash, not to make sure you have an awesome night.

 

[psytaco]

^ sure not as much profit margin as importing those drugs, but the market for MDMA in Australia is enormous. Surely, the sheer number of people who would consume the MDMA would make up for the downfall of less profit margin per gram/kilo/whatever.

 

[Blanketlol]

bk-mdma and 4-mmc are pretty much all everyone is on down here in Tassie. It is pretty much at the moment the biggest drug scene in Hobart :-\ Everyone seems to be on caps, Last week was the 1st time i'd had someone try and sell me pills in a few months.

MDMA would be umm kinda nice you know :-\ It's almost been a year since i've had any.

the sad thing is that 9/10 caps down here dont contain either of those two substances anymore

 

[Crankinit]

^ sure not as much profit margin as importing those drugs, but the market for MDMA in Australia is enormous. Surely, the sheer number of people who would consume the MDMA would make up for the downfall of less profit margin per gram/kilo/whatever.

I hope so, is all I can say. Just give it time for people to stop consuming the crap hoping for the real thing

Man one of the worst things about drug prohibition is that we're always deprived of the 'big picture' insight into why the market is the way it is. I mean we know there's been a crackdown on safrole production, but that alone can't account for the virtual disappearance of MDMA from the market. I'd love for someone to be able to do some kind of 'expose investigation' and find out exactly why things are the way they are, it'd be fascinating.

 

[UnSquare]

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[thestudent14]

I'm afraid that if Australia sees a insurgence of these 150mg + pills we could have a very high instance of overdoses as all the new punters who have only started in the last couple of years haven't experience MDMA at all or if they have been lucky too it has been at extremely low doses.

This has already been mentioned in the green elephant thread on pillreports.
Someone double dropped these, being used to shit pills and ended up in hospital.

 

[scantraxx]

I like the fact on the green elephant page I was able to refresh the page and a new reply popped up haha.

I don't do ecstasy anymore but I do have a mate that has said he hasn't had the "lovey" feeling, would be nice for a lot of people to expirience this as, well, thats whats supposed to happen when you take "ecstasy" they should really educate people on the fact that most of the pills they are taking don't even contain MDMA. It also scares me that there has already been an OD. Hopefully word gets out that these are strong and not just "yeah these are strong pills" people need to make it clear that these are STRONG

 

[headdah]

if these elephants are as wide spread as I hope they will be.

More fatalitys will prevail.

lets face it. Most australian punters are used to the mdxx LOW LOW LOW shites the pressers have been pressing the last 12-18months.

Most of em will double drop without hesitation. Some even tripple drop.

We will see a surge of Media fear mongoring on this subject once again once theres few od's occur through out the nations hospitals. Which is a sad thing really. When MDMA is such a beautiful drug compared to the likes of METH/4mmc/pipes/Chalk/ etc etc.

Long live PLUR!

 

[IloveM]

Sorry to interrupt but I think you make yourself a little too busy.
I read on many forums and see the elephants everywhere.
It is very possible that something has arrived in Australia but if I were you, I will only be happy when you have a elephant in your hands.
I read that some party freaks do elephants take 3 to 4 on the same night(6 hours).
There are no reports received of abuse and its consequences anyway.
This is about the Dutch green elephants,okay?
Which green elephants have been sighted in Australia, I do not know.
I first want to see a picture on pill reports, because 1 report(rawrrr) with little info and without picture tells me nothing.

Greetings from the green elephant zoo in Holland

 

[MrIbis]

^errr thats not gonna work dude... you cant img link shit on your hard drive.. upload it to the net and use the url.

 

[thestudent14]

@IloveM
These are the suspected imports, imported from Limburg as discussed in the thread
http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=23630

Some people very well may have had 3 or 4 in a night, I've had 5 of a high dose MDMA pill be4 in a night, but it's still not at all advised. And people who aren't expecting or have low tolerances this can be quite dangerous. Here in Australia our MDMA drought has out done the rest of the world and is going on 3 years now, peoples expectations and tollerances are at an all time low.

There is also people who have never had MDMA, only BZP/TMFPP or some other version of pipes or RC. These people when unexpectadly having two 170mg MDMA elephants are gonna feel like they've been hit by a truck, most likely panic and also not know how to deal with such intensity (keeping hydrated etc.).

Not that it's a big issue anyway, seems the elephants are already being stomped on and replaced with shitty replica's. They've been around a few weeks, mentions in various threads. Suprised it took aslong as it did for a report to come up.

Party safe
Ts14 ~ Pillreports mod

 

[nin015]

I want a proper MDMA pill so bad I forgot how good the feeling is...

I was explaining to people a couple of weeks ago when I was out clubbing that the pills they took weren't MDMA and they were shocked. It's amazing how many people just have no idea what they are taking or take the dealers word for it.

 

[justsayknow]

The ABC are a bit behind the 8 ball...

All reports lead towards a decline in it's use in recent times, ever since the UK ban and lot's of mephedrone busts in Australia. Friends who club have told me it is nowhere near as available as it was at the start of the year.

The part about deaths linked to this substance is also total bullshit. No deaths have been proven to be caused solely by mephedrone. Some toxicology reports even proved that people thought to have died from mephedrone, never even had it in their system.

Many in the scene would report Meth use on the increase as well as cocaine.

Media beat up.

I'd like to know who they were surveying...

I think the ERDS survey results for 09/10 came out recently. It is a yearly survey and they speak to any party drug users who will come and take the $30 from them

According to the website the sample groups are:

The EDRS was conducted successfully in every state and territory in 2009. Seven hundred and fifty-six regular ecstasy users were interviewed, providing information on their drug use patterns, ERD markets and related issues. Key experts from a range of professions provided information on the ecstasy and related drug users they had contact with. Indicator data including Australian Customs Service seizures, purity analysis and treatment data were examined.

From:

http://www.med.unsw.edu.au/ndarcweb.nsf/page/Current+Project+D2+EDRS

So yeah the data is a year old. I have often wondered how useful this survey is considering that it takes so long for them to collate and publish the data. Also how much luck would they have finding 756 people who had actual mdma?

 

[wazza]

Might be time to actually have another pill for old time's sake, celebrate being a father again early'ish next year. 1 night off being a parent will be allowed me thinks

Now to find a green elephant or two!! *life is so different not being into 'this scene' like I have been for the past 20+ years heh. Oh well, fatherhood is AWESOME but so can a night out on MD be

 

[thestudent14]

haha an old timer ay?
Well don't get your hopes up, I'm struggling to get green elephants and I'm very much in the scene haha, and even if you did find them, I can't see them comparing to the pills of the late 80's early 90's.

But good luck

 

[MilliVanilli]

I know this isn't even on topic anymore, but rather than starting a new thread, I thought I'd just ask this here. Did a white/green heart from 07/08 ever get lab tested? I could be curious to know the results..

 

[Sameria]

I believe some of them were seized by the authorities and tested to contain ~100mg MDMA and a small amount of Methamphetamine.

 

[bud.lightyear]

yea agree with sameria, iirc white hearts were tested to be pretty much right on 100mg.

mannnnn 170 i need to find those elephants!! nearly double a white heart! giggity!