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GBL Megathread 4: End of an Era?

This is a harm reduction board. Not only are you advising people to take other high dose GABA agonists to sleep, as if taking G pretty much every night isn't enough.
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Dude, if it would work then avoiding a G addiction with high doses of zoplicone is harm reduction, but your saying it doesnt work then i stand corrected, i dont know anything about the rebound as i dont experience it.

The solution is simple; don't go over 3-4mls a day, and you shouldn't have any issues.
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True but we all know how that goes in real life, we dont have any self control, i wouldnt be able to stay with 3-4ml a day.
Anyone throwing in their 'well I take 50mls a day' isn't helpful, or productive.
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Just saying that its possible (atleast in my case and in shambles case too, to avoid the terrible GBL addiction while taking high doses. I have no idea wheter zopiclone would stop the rebound, i DO know that not taking GBL for sleep is extremely important to avoid addiction, so just making a suggestion.
 
I knew you could use GBL daily without addiction because some other members on another forum i was on also used it that way, because of their experience i realised how important it is to not take GBL for sleep, and now i'm just throwing my experience out here, to help others.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you ONLY took GBL to sleep. No use at any other time just one dose before bed wouldn't the only addiction you suffer be the same as being addicted to any other sleeping aid?

Just a question. Doesnt apply to me personally or my use.
 
Sadie said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you ONLY took GBL to sleep. No use at any other time just one dose before bed wouldn't the only addiction you suffer be the same as being addicted to any other sleeping aid?

Just a question. Doesnt apply to me personally or my use.
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Narcolepsy patients (that only use 2 doses a night) dont suffer from any withdrawal symptons according to a few study's i saw, if you ONLY use it like that its allright, but combining evening use AND sleep is a bad idea.
 
If you thinking advicing ppl to use a differend downer for sleep is shit, id say its shit to advice ppl to only use 3-4 ml a day, because that just isnt possible with a additive personality.
 
Treacle said:
So, how can you advise others about it?!
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MeDieViL said:
I'm just making a suggestion dude, i know avoiding sleeping on GBL is extremely important so can only think of potential solutions.
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Not everyone has driven themselves into the realms of insane addiction treacle. Not everyone has abused GBL to the point of total agony.

Sometimes people only have mild WD's.

I know a couple of people who have gone through one and two bouts of WD's and learned their lesson. MeDieVil's advice worked for those people I speak of. Of those people they learned their lesson. They still use it but have learned to respect it. Some people can learn from their mistakes.

I appreciate that your advice is good but its not always for everyone. Nothing is FACT. Everyone is different. You've been brilliant at helping people out but don't dismiss other peoples solutions. If it worked for them they're only offering another option.
 
I know of a guy that was addicted to GBL, he withdrawn and now still takes it daily except he uses baclofen for sleep and perfectly avoids addiction by not dosing 24/7. I dunno wheter baclofen would work for everyone tough as its also a GABAB agonist and i would expect cross addction.
 
Sadie: My advice of using 3-4mls a day was to avoid addiction completely, not for people who are driven to use 24/7. It is FACT that 3-4mls a day will not result in any withdrawal for MOST people.

Also, using baclofen alongside G is going to hammer the GABA-b receptors, and ultimately cause a horrific withdrawal, over time.
 
Treacle said:
Sadie: My advice of using 3-4mls a day was to avoid addiction completely, not for people who are driven to use 24/7. It is FACT that 3-4mls a day will not result in any withdrawal for MOST people.

Also, using baclofen alongside G is going to hammer the GABA-b receptors, and ultimately cause a horrific withdrawal, over time.
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Agree'd that use of only 3-4 mil would avoid addiction.


I was more referring to the posts where you dismiss other peoples solutions and say that they're total shite.

I appreciate the advice you give on the board but there are better ways of debate and discussing personal methods on the subject.
 
Treacle said:
Sadie: My advice of using 3-4mls a day was to avoid addiction completely, not for people who are driven to use 24/7. It is FACT that 3-4mls a day will not result in any withdrawal for MOST people.

Also, using baclofen alongside G is going to hammer the GABA-b receptors, and ultimately cause a horrific withdrawal, over time.
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Fuck me what a dafty.

Of course only using 3-4ml will avoid addiction. It's like saying only having half a pint of bitter a day will avoid alcoholism.

Drinking a bottle of vodka a day will result in a nasty addiction. Especiallly if you have yer first nip of the day upon waking.

MOST people can hammer GBL nightly and avoid addiction.

MOST people will have a problem if they use it 24/7

You have to work reasonable hard at getting addicted, as most people don't tend to take drugs when they wake up and continue throughtout the day.

GBL is a great easy going drug, just don't stay Geebee'd out of yer nut all day and you should be fine.
 
medievial: do you take 14ml every evening or 20ml 5 evenings a week? how you manage to take 100ml a week and not use it for sleep or getting addicted makes me jealous..
 
watsons torment said:
medievial: do you take 14ml every evening or 20ml 5 evenings a week? how you manage to take 100ml a week and not use it for sleep or getting addicted makes me jealous..
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I take around 100ml a week, i dose every evening, i dont experience a rebound so just go to sleep when it wears off, hence my suggestion for other sleep aids to avoid addiction. I start dosing sooner then the evenings usually tough, early afternoon, never right after i woke up.

But i dunno wheter another sleep aid will counteract the rebound, according to treacle it wouldnt so i dunno.
 
MeDieViL said:
I take around 100ml a week, i dose every evening, i dont experience a rebound so just go to sleep when it wears off, hence my suggestion for other sleep aids to avoid addiction. I start dosing sooner then the evenings usually tough, early afternoon, never right after i woke up.

But i dunno wheter another sleep aid will counteract the rebound, according to treacle it wouldnt so i dunno.
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For me the 2 hour rebound that wakes you up...is just like waking up dying for a piss after being on the booze.

It is difficult to get back to sleep but not impossible. Resisting the urge to have another wee GeeBee to send you back to sleep is the key.

Relying on a sleep aid long term isn't the way to go...but in the short term works a treat (in my experience).
 
robydoo24 said:
For me the 2 hour rebound that wakes you up...is just like waking up dying for a piss after being on the booze.

It is difficult to get back to sleep but not impossible. Resisting the urge to have another wee GeeBee to send you back to sleep is the key.

Relying on a sleep aid long term isn't the way to go...but in the short term works a treat (in my experience).
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If you go can go without a sleep aid thats definatly better, if i take GBL before sleep i jump back out of bed to go listen some music=D only go sleep when it wore off and sleep like a baby then.
 
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