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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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I actually think that 1mg or less is all one needs after the first couple days of being on bupe. I think people just have a hard time believing this, and thus, putting it into practice because they are so use to the "more is more" idea behind most drugs.
 
I know many say the suboxone isnt any different to tex but i think this is wrong as subutex produces more euphoria imo.
Also i think only a certain type of addict reacts well to subbies, imo those who have had serious depressive problems before they got addicted to oppies do the best.
does anyone know if the subutex strips will be marketed outside the u.s.a. and are they easily broken down for injection?
Also for those saying low dose bupe works well, ime it does not, as the blocking effect is very short lived or non existent on 1mg daily doses, thats why 8 or 16mg is the ideal dose for people. You have to wait 3 to 5 days to use other opiates with that amount in your system daily (i.e. the whole point of subutex really)
 
Ok, I started off today with 8mg. I don't know if I still have so much in my system from yesterday or what, but I'm felling pretty damn good!

What is the recommended frequency of dosing in this manner?
 
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jamesBrown said:
as little as possible.
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Vague, but an ideal to strive towards.

I notice my frequency of usage fluctuates depending on a few factors, but overall, within a day I typically won't go over 200 mcg over the course of 8 injections. That would typically be for a 24 hour period of being awake though (I tend to stay awake for 24 hours and then sleep for 12, more often than I am awake 16 hours and sleep for 8, for instance).
 
How in the world do you measure 25mcg doses for injection with it? And can you really even fell that little of an amount?
 
keeb333 said:
How in the world do you measure 25mcg doses for injection with it? And can you really even fell that little of an amount?
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Yes, I can feel that amount. Surprisingly well actually.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=481622

After browsing through the first post of that link above, what I do is I dissolve one 8mg Suboxone tablet into most of a 30mL bacteriostatic water vial within a 25 CC luer lock syringe. The vial holds the rest of the water.

After dissolving, I micron filter the solution back into the vial. 10 units of this solution is about 26.6 mcg to be exact.
 
One thing the doc showed me about the strips, and I don't think its been mentioned here yet (if it has, my bad), is that the strip packages are individually barcoded and traceable to your prescription. This means that if you sell some strips and leave them in the original package, and the person you sold them to gets busted, YOU can be prosecuted as well! 8o. So the strips won't be diverted as much as the tabs, but we all know there are ways around this...

Also, they said that we are to keep our empty strip packs and bring them in at our monthly visits for shredding. Anybody else's doc have the same policy?

So far the whole switch is a non-issue for me. The pharmacies in my town don't even have strips yet, so I got tabs filled yesterday.
 
keeb333 said:
One thing the doc showed me about the strips, and I don't think its been mentioned here yet (if it has, my bad), is that the strip packages are individually barcoded and traceable to your prescription. This means that if you sell some strips and leave them in the original package, and the person you sold them to gets busted, YOU can be prosecuted as well! 8o. So the strips won't be diverted as much as the tabs, but we all know there are ways around this...

Also, they said that we are to keep our empty strip packs and bring them in at our monthly visits for shredding. Anybody else's doc have the same policy?

So far the whole switch is a non-issue for me. The pharmacies in my town don't even have strips yet, so I got tabs filled yesterday.
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That's the dumbest shit I have ever heard. Totally anal, OCD, and a waste of time IMO.

That's the same idea behind tablets, in a pill bottle. You scrape off the label or you put it in something else. Just like the film, you would just have to put it in something else.
 
I know it stupid, but I am just reporting what I was told...nothing prevents repackaging them. I think the idea is that it would be a pain in the ass because each 8mg strip is individually packaged, so you have to deal with like 90 strip packs a month if you are prescribed 3/day.
 
im getting switched to the strips on Friday.. but the doctor is leaving it up to us if we want the strips or tablets and i figured i would at least try the strips, but if i need to bring in the f'n individual packages at every appointment fuck that, i will stay with the tabs.
 
keeb333 said:
Ok, I started off today with 2mg, IN. I don't know if I still have so much in my system from yesterday or what, but I'm felling pretty damn good!

What is the recommended frequency of dosing in this manner?
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If you have read through these Suboxone thread, you'll already know (or about to find out) that the euphoria you get from bupe goes away within a matter of days. You'll feel a bit energetic, motivated and somewhat satisfied, but no euphoria. Still better than life with NOTHING, stuck in neutral.
 
StaffWriter said:
If you have read through these Suboxone thread, you'll already know (or about to find out) that the euphoria you get from bupe goes away within a matter of days. You'll feel a bit energetic, motivated and somewhat satisfied, but no euphoria. Still better than life with NOTHING, stuck in neutral.
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Actually, if you are taking doses of less than 1-2 mg's/day you actually can get euphoria from suboxone on a daily basis. ive been doing this for several months and it has worked great so far. not only does it give me some nice euphoria, but it also gives me energy, and it has anti-depressant properties as well. Its really only people who take high dose suboxone that lose the ehoria after a week or so. And I know from personal experience there arent many people who NEED to take the high doses. I had a MASSIVE IV heroin habit for several years and I was able to maintain(with euphoria) on only 0.5 mg's of suboxone/day after only a week or so of being on suboxone.
 
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Actually, if you are taking doses of less than 1-2 mg's/day you actually can get euphoria from suboxone on a daily basis. ive been doing this for several months and it has worked great so far. not only does it give me some nice euphoria, but it also gives me energy, and it has anti-depressant properties as well. Its really only people who take high dose suboxone that lose the ehoria after a week or so. And I know from personal experience there arent many people who NEED to take the high doses. I had a MASSIVE IV heroin habit for several years and I was able to maintain(with euphoria) on only 0.5 mg's of suboxone/day after only a week or so of being on suboxone.
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That's awesome, you're lucky. I can say though that when I was on bupe (currently on a 1.5 month H binge - trying to get back on), on a dose anywhere from 3-4mgs I would randomly get days where I would nod out, or get a sense of well being and energy with a little euphoria. It wasn't everyday, just some days. It was quite nice, but I have no idea why it happened as randomly as it did. My dosing schedule was always the same too.

If small amounts of Suboxone produce euphoria and energy - what you would think you would get from MORE Suboxone rather than less, why isn't .25-.5mg enough to stave off w/d's and keep people maintained? Usually to get completely rid of w/d's it takes me 12mgs or so.
 
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That's awesome, you're lucky. I can say though that when I was on bupe (currently on a 1.5 month H binge - trying to get back on), on a dose anywhere from 3-4mgs I would randomly get days where I would nod out, or get a sense of well being and energy with a little euphoria. It wasn't everyday, just some days. It was quite nice, but I have no idea why it happened as randomly as it did. My dosing schedule was always the same too.

If small amounts of Suboxone produce euphoria and energy - what you would think you would get from MORE Suboxone rather than less, why isn't .25-.5mg enough to stave off w/d's and keep people maintained? Usually to get completely rid of w/d's it takes me 12mgs or so.
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It usually takes people a higher dose of suboxone to stave off the withdrawals when initially switching to subs from heroin or oxy or some other strong opiate(Allthough when I switched from IV'ing a shitload of black tar heroin for over 4 years to suboxone, all I needed was 2mg's.....doctors CONSTANTLY overprescribe suboxone, which, in turn, causes the patient to THINK they need that much suboxone, whe they really dont). But, after only a couple days on the subs, long enough for the heroin/oxy/etc to get out of your system completely, you can very easily lower your dose dramatically, and immediately(sometimes it takes a few days but mostly you can do it immmediately).....to a lower dose of about 2mg's give or take. And then from there, you can also very quickly lower your dose to under 1mg, which is the dose level where you start to see the full agonist effects of the subxone, because norbuprenorphine(the full agonist metabolite of bupe) is only actifve when the subs are taken in such tiny doses. It may take a few days or even a week or two at most for you to start enjoying the "low dose euphoria", but once you finally do stabilize on that low dose, you will feel like a fool for ever wanting to take any dose higher than a single milligram.

Many people simply arent aware of this low dose phenomenon or they choose not to believe it, so they end up being on a very high dose of suboxone for such a long period of time to where it can sometimes take a much much longer time to actually get down to that under 1mg dose and enjoy its benefits once they finally decide to give it a try. I am constantly hearing people complaining to me about how...."I dropped from 24mg's/day to 1mg/day and I got withdrawals and you are wrong!!!!".....well, my answer to those people is you need to drop to that low dose in the correct manner for it to work. Also, you need to stay at that dose for more than a couple days before you can make a judgement on whether or not suboxone can actually cause euphoria at low doses. It all has to do with maintainence. Dropping from 24mg's to 1 mg immediately, isnt going to produce euphoria until you give your body a couple weeks to adjust to the new dose level and get rid of all that built up bupernorphine thats in your brain. Remember, bupe has a very long half life, and if your taking huge doses of sub every day, it can build massive amounts of it up in your body.

*So to answer your question..."...so why isnt 0.25 - 0.5mg's enough to stave off withdrawals and keep people maintained".....it actually IS enough to do that. I take 0.5 mg doses every day, and not only am I maintained, but I get all the euphoria and ohter benefits as well. This is because those people need to get down to that 0.25mg or 0.5mg dose in the correct manner. If you have any other questions, as I know this subject can be very confusing, please feel free to ask away....im here to help, and I will do my best.
 
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