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Is the influx of RC's ruining the true psychedelic experience?

One thing that concerns me is the quality of RC's manufactured, aside from their intended effects I read an interview where a UK journalist visits a facory noted for it's RC production.

This is an interesting video that shows a bit of the RC manufacturing...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8AhqPOFQO0

Just something to take into account when we want to ask if RC's are of good quality.
 
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Without psuedo-legal RCs, the growth of the psychedelic community would probably be stunted. It's certainly possible to have a psychedelic experience from these RCs, though from personal experience, it makes me want to try LSD, just to compare.
 
from all the substances I have tried, they are all psychadelic, some are just more quality than others. Dose really alters the experience a lot. This should be taken into account when comparing different drugs.

BTW the term RC does not mean they are inferior or superior drugs, just that they haven't undergone the testing (laboaratory and otherwise) that the classics have.
 
No. The only reason you ask is because they are a different generation. They are easier to get. So there must be something wrong with them, right?
I assume thats your reasoning.

No bad experience with either (classic/RC) for me. They have all been enjoyable or very hellish. But not one that I regret.
 
I took a 150 mg of 4 aco DMT and that felt very toxic to my cardio vascular system (high bp,etc) and the high was not that of LSD/shrooms. 2ct7 while powerful had sloppy visuals. I personally am not touching RC's.
 
I'm not that knowledgeable on the chemistry aspect but One thing (I think) to take into consideration when comparing RC's to like LSD is that LSD if i'm not mistaken, has both tryptamine and phenethylamine components, so it's more complete I guess than almost any other molecule. Mushrooms have various different alkaloids in them. Most the RC's are one molecule that are usually straight up Phens or Trypts.

That being said and like I said before I've had many worthwhile experiences on RC's and probably would opt for some RC's over say mushrooms in many instances.
 
demon66 said:
I took a 150 mg of 4 aco DMT and that felt very toxic to my cardio vascular system (high bp,etc) and the high was not that of LSD/shrooms. 2ct7 while powerful had sloppy visuals. I personally am not touching RC's.
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Sounds like a good choice. Considering you took 110 mgs over a high dose I wouldn't expect adverse reactions 8). Also this is a tired old question. If you want to discriminate against psychedelic drugs you enjoy then so be it. I, however will be no part of such ignorance. Either move seamlessly into the future or be crushed under the burden and ignorance of the past.
 
hashdout said:
I have tried my fair share even tried to make them take me over the edge but they all seem so empty and controllable even AT major doses unlike cid or shrooms where absolute chaos can occur ;-)
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There are intense RCs out there -- DPT, 5-MeO-MET, 2C-P, DOx, NBOMe-2C-x; the problem is that the money is in gentle, euphoric trips and club drugs for people who can't buy MDMA.
 
Perhaps I should have made myself a bit more clear. Now once again I have had nothing but what would in my mind be a half ass trip off the rc's that I have done. That along with the fact that I think the new generation is being told what they are taking is acid or e when in fact they are being fed rc's 9 times out of 10 by someone who doesn't know the difference. Granted that cant be done with shrooms.
 
No, RCs are not ruining the "true psychedelic experience". I don't see how one could even think that to come up with an explanation as to why RCs aren't ruining it TBH.

So far as I see it, psychedelics are tools and, up until recently, we had a select few quality pieces left to us by our Hippie Grandparents that get the job done around the house. Our father Shulgin has merely provided us a new super set of tools to supplement what we already have.

I think they're improving the psychedelic experience by providing new psychedelic experiences some of which that are safer and more rewarding than traditional psychedelics.
 
Delsyd said:
Psychedelic RC's (like the ones from pihkal and tihkal) are every bit as much a true psychedelic experience as LSD or mushrooms.

the fact that they were created/discovered later doesnt take away from their value.
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so true. Otherwise LSD being synthetic would somehow make it not a true psychedelic compared with mescaline...
 
LacunaSamsara said:
I think they're improving the psychedelic experience by providing new psychedelic experiences some of which that are safer and more rewarding than traditional psychedelics.
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Well we don't know about safer but in my eyes I guess not being able to have a rough trip then yeah that may be safer.
 
demon66 said:
I tried a few RC's such as 4aco DMT, 2ci, 2ct7 all several times. All were vastly inferior to LSD, mescaline, or shrooms, except for 2ci perhaps. 2ct7 visuals were plain sloppy, uncoordinated yet quite powerful. 4 aco DMT had a very odd high and felt toxic when I took 150+ mgs. 2ci was actually more of a true psychedelic.

Yeah, I do feel that the RC's do distort the so called psychedelic experience. Some of the many newly synthesized chemicals probably aren't really psychedelics.

No offense, but some are just plain second rate drugs, that produce undesirable effects, and/or are bad physiologically to the body. Though I'm sure some are very promising. RC's are a mixed bag I guess.
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Good god. 150+mg of 4-aco-dmt? Do you have a report on that. That must be insane!
 
Help?!?! said:
Sounds like a good choice. Considering you took 110 mgs over a high dose I wouldn't expect adverse reactions 8). Also this is a tired old question. If you want to discriminate against psychedelic drugs you enjoy then so be it. I, however will be no part of such ignorance. Either move seamlessly into the future or be crushed under the burden and ignorance of the past.
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IF he took 110mgs over a very high dose to most ppl (30mg) I'm amazed he even knew what his heart was!
 
I think that UK RC scene has begun the process of ruining it for us all. It's not the variety of psychedelics available that's the problem - I don't see how someone could think more variety would ruin the psychedelic experience - it's the way in which many people are taking them and the super unscrupulous vendors who are selling people any old chem that's the latest hype, but what they're really selling is a variety of other things, from cathinones and other dangerous stimulants, to that NRG-1 stuff, to something almost entirely inert.

Scary situation. :( I hope everyone can heed my warnings before it's too late - boycott vendors who are obviously unscrupulous.
 
demon66 said:
I took a 150 mg of 4 aco DMT and that felt very toxic to my cardio vascular system (high bp,etc) and the high was not that of LSD/shrooms. 2ct7 while powerful had sloppy visuals. I personally am not touching RC's.
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LOL You dont say? :D

I find certain RCs to be just as useful as mushrooms or mescaline (havent tried LSD). 4-Aco-DMT being one of those.
 
hashdout said:
Perhaps I should have made myself a bit more clear. Now once again I have had nothing but what would in my mind be a half ass trip off the rc's that I have done. That along with the fact that I think the new generation is being told what they are taking is acid or e when in fact they are being fed rc's 9 times out of 10 by someone who doesn't know the difference. Granted that cant be done with shrooms.
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What have you done? If you've only taken 2C-I, 2C-D, mephedrone, and similar, I can see why you'd think that.
 
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