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Boxing session this morning - nice mix up for training and I'm loving it :D

Bring on the race season
 
Binge_Artist said:
You'd think that constant high protein intake would be contrary to strength gains.

The body might think, "Well, evidently I'm strong enough to capture and eat what appears to be an entire cow's worth of protein. So it's not urgent that I get stronger any time soon."
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not how it works. as said, fasting puts stress on the body, slows metabolism and causes cortisol to be released.

the body aims to shed muscle mass. it does not want to grow because growth means you have a higher resting metabolism and that makes us more vulnerable under conditions prior to modern life. if you want to grow you have to keep your body inundated with nutrients.

and for the immediate replies of "you don't know my goal" "i dont want to get THAT big" etc. you never get "that" big on accident. it takes years and years of work, diet, and constant vigilance. if you're going to undermine your progress with a crap diet (and I am guilty of this myself) then you most definitely wont ever get "too" big or reach "your goal". you won't even get close. proper diet and all that stuff wont make you monstrous and wont make you as big as a body builder. it WILL make getting to a healthy and tone looking body hella easy though. rather than needing to bust your ass on cardio, eat regular meals of high protein foods with low amounts of high glycemic index carbs and you'll see a better (not necessarily bigger) physique without increasing your training at all.

hell, ive shed 24 lbs in the last 60 days by altering my diet alone.



as for the science stuff:
yes the body can process 300g of protein a day. it just needs to do it ~40g at a time so you'd have to space it out properly.
saturated fat and cholesterol both turn into testosterone which is important for the male body when weight training.
raw foods are less efficient. denaturing the proteins with cooking is why man started to develop a larger brain - we got more cals more efficiently. raw food diets are not better.
 
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Theoretically, the body's geared for survival, right?

Say you enter the gym with a goal of 225 x 10 on some exercise, but say you only hit 9 reps. Conventional wisdom says eat a lot of protein, rest, and try again in a few days, right?

But what are we "teaching" our bodies when we do this? We're teaching them that, even if you fuck up, you can still eat. Which may well be counter-productive.

Now, suppose on the other hand, if we only hit the 9 reps, we JUST DIDN'T EAT. See, this way, we're telling our bodies, "The mother fucking bear won. So guess what, mother fucker? You don't eat tonight! You wanna eat tomorrow? Well, you'd better hit that 10th rep."
 
havent had my morning cup of coffee yet...but your argument is flawed. we dont teach our bodies anything...we provide a stimulus to the mechanical fibers in our muscle. Some fibers tear under the stimulus if the stimulus is greater than the muscle has been designed to withstand. Then with proper nutrition/rest/hormonal environment the fibers are repaired and built to withstand that stimulus next time it is encountered. Of course next time you will be adding at least 5lbs per side to the bar so the body must encounter a new stimulus. Thats why imo its important to get out after one set per lift has been done. All you need is one work set ime for hypertrophy/strength gains.

If proper nutrition/rest/hormones are not given the body then the fibers will remain damaged and catabolism will occur over time (muscle-eating). This is why its important to saturate the body with amino acids that are highly bioavailable (eggs, whey, casein, meat). Protein from nuts and veggies aint gonna cut it here ;)
 
IIRC, the ancient Spartans used to play these games where the teams that lost a competition didn't get to eat that night. Didn't make them any bigger or stronger, of course. But it made them more "underhanded", "cutthroat" and "bloodthirsty".

IMO, it may be a good idea to occasionally do stuff to increase mental toughness, even at the cost of temporary loss of muscle.
 
Matsuo Munefusa. said:
btw binge go to the steroid forum and look at my routine diet if you interested.
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You seem to be much more structured than I usually am for a bulk/strength gaining endeavor.


I usually just eat a lot, lift a lot, and rest a lot.

As far as food goes, KFC, burger king, etc.

Lifting, I prefer volume over intensity.

Rest, forego all unnecessary movement.
 
i dont mind some fast food every now and then although if Im gonna cheat its usually pizza since I work at a pizza place. I bring my brown rice and beef in though (much to their chagrin they all eat pizza every shift).

Problem with fast food is that the macros are all skewed...its a lot of fat and carbs and just a bit of protein. Its not bad if you're malnurished but if you're pushing to squeak a few more pounds on your frame while minimizing bodyfat accrual then there are better options (cook yourself its better macro ratio and cheaper). I bought a huge bag of brown rice today each serving will cost about 15 cents. And then a huge block of beef each serving will be about 1.25. And the egg whites are about 75 cents a serving. Cheap as fuck compared to BK.
 
btw, if you are natural then it serves you well to stay lean(ish) (abs showing at least top 4). Because with higher bodyfat comes higher estrogen (the enzyme that converts test to estrogen resides mainly in bodyfat). So if you lower your bodyfat slowly you will actually raise your testosterone.

You can also supplement with an aromatase inhibitor such as aromasin if you are natural (at a low dose) this will raise testosterone levels safely by about 30-40% (there are studies) and IGF levels by 15-20% iirc.
 
Matsuo Munefusa. said:
but if you're pushing to squeak a few more pounds on your frame while minimizing bodyfat accrual then there are better options
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quoting myself how narcissistic. You have to be honest with yourself Binge what your goals are and what your body is naturally able to handle genetically. Not all of us are going to ever be 240 lean. I will not be able to do this without punishing my body with huge amounts of steroids (which I refuse to do for reasons associated with raises hematocrit levels which can lead to heart disease).

My point is dont add a lot of bodyfat to your body in the hopes of gaining a bunch of muscle. it wont work like that. Your body needs to slowly accrue muscle with minimal fat gains this is easy if you watch your diet and eat cleanly. There is a lot to be said for slow gains...muscle maturity...retention of muscle...slow gains are solid gains generally ime.
 
Matsuo Munefusa. said:
You have to be honest with yourself Binge what your goals are and what your body is naturally able to handle genetically. Not all of us are going to ever be 240 lean.
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240 "lean" wouldn't be out of the question (lean as in ~22-25% bf, and ready to begin a cut).

TBQH, my problems in the past with reaching that level haven't had so much to do with diet or routine issues, but more with my inability to go more than 4 months clean without commencing another opiate habit. My hopes are that I'll someday outgrow opiates. But by that time, I may have outgrown high testosterone levels too.
 
then start on TRT

22-25% bodyfat is not lean. I was talking 8-10% bodyfat. Then if you wanted to strike at 6% you could cycle T3 and GH and nail it. Fortunately I never want to go below 10%.
 
Matsuo Munefusa. said:
then start on TRT

22-25% bodyfat is not lean. I was talking 8-10% bodyfat. Then if you wanted to strike at 6% you could cycle T3 and GH and nail it. Fortunately I never want to go below 10%.
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6% would be BB'ing "contest ready", right?

You were talking about "top four abs", which are clearly visible when you're 5'10" 240 @ 22-25%, right?


I know what you mean, though...athletes and BB'ers seem to have "different scales" for BF. An athelete at 6% BF would look "lean" but not ripped to shreds, like a BB'er would at that level. But that may have something to do with the illusions created by tone and proportion.
 
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anyone looks ripped to shreds at 6% ime. depending on how you individually store fat, some people can have a full 6 at ~10-12%.
 
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