Rikodeine/DHC questions

[footscrazy]

Did you piss out of your arse?

 

[belarki]

^ Yeh let's hear this report d_m No sympathy if you did spend the evening on the toilet; you'd been warned....

Seriously though, I honestly hope you're fit & well & not curled up in the fetal position in your bathroom with abdominal cramps.

 

[TripppAR]

Yeh man. In terms of HR .. that is very foolish and kinda desperate lol.

2 bottles is way to much.. you should have combined one bottle with something else. Only cause you are experience with poly use.

Hopefully you didnt suffer... sure you didnt get pains on 1 but you have ingested like...i dunno...50 grams of sorbital or something haha.. thats nuts.

 

[chugs]

but if one bottle gave me no nausea how bad could 2 be?.

well if you explode please capture it in this style

^My PSTs were quite nice and didn't smell bad at all...

Considering it's meant to taste vile, our method tasted quite nice, with only the addition of lemonade to the mix

well if you can mask that musty dirt like flavour that permutates through my monstrous creations then let me know.

I've heard that Peyote is pretty damn hard to get down (must get me some pedro) but is it as bad as PST?

 

[Verybuffed]

I've heard that Peyote is pretty damn hard to get down (must get me some pedro) but is it as bad as PST?

Lophophora Williamsii is Peyote. Pedro is Trichocereus Pachanoi. Although they both contain Mescaline they are very different types of Cactus.

 

[drug_mentor]

I did get the runs both last night and today, had a bit of a spew this morning and felt all around shit. Benzo's and weed have fixed me up good. The vommitting was probably a result of combining whisky with that much cough syrup. LOL

It is still stimulating even taken at 760mg with a moderate dose of valium and some antacid and DXM to potentiate. I took a xanax bar a few hours later and it gave me a nice sedating buzz.

I don't know if something in Riko makes it slow release but it seems to take a while to come on and last ages. I dosed late last night and my pupils are still pinned and I have been a bit itchy all day. I have a definate feeling of opiates that has lasted despite the halflife being listed as 4 hours when I looked it up the other day iirc.

I have a newfound appreciation for this drug where I usually like to use opiates at night perhaps this would be better suited to the morning or afternoon. I certainly intend to experiment with this substance further. It is a veru subtle high and it lacks the more intense/obvious body high of most opiates I am acquianted with, it gives me a real sense of calm and mental peace though. It is almost like a cross between a non sedating opiate and a non subtle benzo in that respect.

The sorbitol content is a bit of a put off, but honestly I feel if I had of redosed the imodium a few times it could of been avoided all together.

Every time I have used this substance I have increased my dose and/or poly used with dilly amounts of other sedatives in an attempt to achieve the 'noddy' sort of buzz I usually seek when using opiates. I have come to realise this substance offers opioid euphoria in a slightly different way, and could definately be used more enjoyably keeping this in mind.

The closest opioid I could compare it to is insufflated oxycontin, where you get a sort of stimulating buzz, it isn't like amphetamines where you can't sit still but its like you have this nice, warm, positive motivation.

IMHO codeine is best enjoyed late at night on the couch or in bed with a few drinks and a few cones, I think Riko is more suitable as an afternoon (or morning if so inclined ) pick me up.

 

[What was it?]

In my experience DHC is pretty uncomfortable...makes me breathe in a strange way (not shallow) but somehow bumpy...like a hiccup. And also it makes me quite nervous and give me this weird insomnia where I wake up with a big fright after i've fell aslep. All ins all i dont sleep well on it and it gives me close to 0 euphoria, even after 150mls of Rikodeine....the Sorbitol also give me an upset stmache the next day. I dont really get the runs like some other people on BL. All in all i feel its not worth the hassle....you'd have to be pretty desperate if you take this regularly. I'd only consider it if i had w/ds (never been a regular opiophile though)

 

[L3inad]

Wow. I can NOT believe I hadn't read this thread until now!

I've been trying to catch myself an opiate buzz for ages and about the only thing holding me back is that damn CYP2D6 deficiency.

Cant get codeine to work at ANY dosage which has been shitting me up the wall because I've tried just about everything lol

I did have some success with PST though which was nice but still feel I'm missing something.

So just to verify, DHC is active as is? ie. requires no metabolism by my missing enzyme in order to achieve effects?

So for someone who is immune to codiene for enzyeme reasons could catch a buzz on this stuff with no issues? Other than pissing out your arse ofc

**runs to pharmacy regardless**

 

[Sustanon]

^ Whoops yes I made a huge mistake and somehow unconsciously converted American schedules to Australian schedules (Your sched. II is our VIII)

Man I'm more fucked then I thought...

hahaha so am i and i was looking for a "like" button. Just remembered this is BL not FB LOL

 

[drug_mentor]

L3inad, dihydrocodeine is totally active on its own and although a small amount IS converted by the liver into other active opioids (including hydromorphone I believe) but the amount is small enough it is not generally considered to have any real bearing on the effects felt from DHC.

I wouldn't say "no issues" even disregarding the peeing out the arse thing it is common for many people to get nauseas from this stuff. IME you are better off biting the bullet and taking a runny shit or two than blocking yourself up with loperamide or something similar, blocking yourself up leads to a lot of discomfort in the guts imho, and doesn't always entirely stop one from ending up having to run to the loo anyway.

Let us know how you go with it, and if you have no opioid tolerance I would not start with more than 100mL (190mg dihydrocodeine). One good thing about this stuff is that unlike codeine you can redose effectively, so it doesn't take as many tries as codeine to find your sweet spot. Hope the stuff goes alright for you.

 

[bobbydarren]

In my experience DHC is pretty uncomfortable...makes me breathe in a strange way (not shallow) but somehow bumpy...like a hiccup. And also it makes me quite nervous and give me this weird insomnia where I wake up with a big fright after i've fell aslep. All ins all i dont sleep well on it and it gives me close to 0 euphoria

Yeah i'm also ANTI riko. It lasts in the system a very long time, and even 100ml will give me pin point pupils the following morning (if dosed early night), and yet no euphoria, just a feeling of tiredness the next day. It really annoys me having pin point pupils (the sign of the junkie!!!) and yet absolutely no positive sensation.

Also it scours the stomach/intestines like acid (for me) I felt sick the next morning. Puked black liquid, and later on Shat poo coated with a thick black film.

The black is dead blood, so obviously it caused me a huge amount of internal bleeding. So people who are getting stomach pain from this you should realise you may be coming close to ulcerating your stomach/intestines or maybe you did. I think there may be the potential for death via internal bleeding like this.

 

[What was it?]

Rikodeine Plugged

In the name of harm reduction, who thinks Rikodeine plugged would counter some of the negative effects of the huge amount of Sorbitol usually ingested when taking Rikodeine in recreational dosages?

This could be a real winner if plugging works!!!!!

 

[belarki]

Um you want to give yourself a cough syrup enema?

Please tell me your're joking?

Dihydrocodeine might have a higher rectal than oral bioavailability but I'd warrant you'd probably want to extract it from the syrup first. And if that was easy to do you wouldn't need other extreme methods to avoid the sorbitol anyway.

Merging with another Rikodeine thread to tidy things up a bit.

 

[morpher001]

I did get the runs both last night and today, had a bit of a spew this morning and felt all around shit. Benzo's and weed have fixed me up good. The vommitting was probably a result of combining whisky with that much cough syrup. LOL

It is still stimulating even taken at 760mg with a moderate dose of valium and some antacid and DXM to potentiate. I took a xanax bar a few hours later and it gave me a nice sedating buzz.

I don't know if something in Riko makes it slow release but it seems to take a while to come on and last ages. I dosed late last night and my pupils are still pinned and I have been a bit itchy all day. I have a definate feeling of opiates that has lasted despite the halflife being listed as 4 hours when I looked it up the other day iirc.

I have a newfound appreciation for this drug where I usually like to use opiates at night perhaps this would be better suited to the morning or afternoon. I certainly intend to experiment with this substance further. It is a veru subtle high and it lacks the more intense/obvious body high of most opiates I am acquianted with, it gives me a real sense of calm and mental peace though. It is almost like a cross between a non sedating opiate and a non subtle benzo in that respect.

The sorbitol content is a bit of a put off, but honestly I feel if I had of redosed the imodium a few times it could of been avoided all together.

Every time I have used this substance I have increased my dose and/or poly used with dilly amounts of other sedatives in an attempt to achieve the 'noddy' sort of buzz I usually seek when using opiates. I have come to realise this substance offers opioid euphoria in a slightly different way, and could definately be used more enjoyably keeping this in mind.

The closest opioid I could compare it to is insufflated oxycontin, where you get a sort of stimulating buzz, it isn't like amphetamines where you can't sit still but its like you have this nice, warm, positive motivation.

IMHO codeine is best enjoyed late at night on the couch or in bed with a few drinks and a few cones, I think Riko is more suitable as an afternoon (or morning if so inclined ) pick me up.

Your experience included a subtle high and low body load, feelings of calm and mental peace.
When I had 200mg a while ago I had a fairly heavy body load, a thickness of mind and sense of overall 'dirtiness'. My baseline for comparison is codeine though, which is quite crisp, so perhaps this is why we differ subjectively?
You seem quite fortunate in a seeming tolerance to sorbitol too, given you had two bottles. My one bottle had be cranking epic farts every 10 minutes or so for 6 hours though the experience.
Definitely agree about having it earlier in the day, preferably with not much on the next day. Took ages to clear out my system, and even though you might be lying in bed the whole time half asleep, i found it quite exhausting.

Overall I found it gave a deeper experience than codeine and was fun to try, but not really worth the negatives.

 

[L3inad]

Um you want to give yourself a cough syrup enema?

Please tell me your're joking?

Dihydrocodeine might have a higher rectal than oral bioavailability but I'd warrant you'd probably want to extract it from the syrup first. And if that was easy to do you wouldn't need other extreme methods to avoid the sorbitol anyway.

Merging with another Rikodeine thread to tidy things up a bit.

Why would he be joking?

Thats a perfectly valid question IMHO.

I'm not sure if sorbitol is bad for your anus? But really considering that it is a route for waste excretion (ie. shit) I cant see it being any worse then the crap thats already in there surely? And even oral dosing would it inevitably end up coming out your arse anyway?

Why not save your guts the pain and just put it where its going to end up anyway.

Kind of makes sense to me, and I doubt cough syrup would be any more disgusting that whats already up your arse.

Any more info on this would be great. I'm also interested.

I get good effects off half a bottle, which is 100ml I think?

Does sound like a decent amount of fluid to be plugging but still highly plausible I'd say.

 

[belarki]

Why would he be joking?

Thats a perfectly valid question IMHO.

I'm not sure if sorbitol is bad for your anus? But really considering that it is a route for waste excretion (ie. shit) I cant see it being any worse then the crap thats already in there surely? And even oral dosing would it inevitably end up coming out your arse anyway?

Why not save your guts the pain and just put it where its going to end up anyway.

Kind of makes sense to me, and I doubt cough syrup would be any more disgusting that whats already up your arse.

Any more info on this would be great. I'm also interested.

I get good effects off half a bottle, which is 100ml I think?

Does sound like a decent amount of fluid to be plugging but still highly plausible I'd say.

Okay, I'm sorry What_was_it and L3inad, my comments were a little harsh. My main concerns would be the amount of liquid you'd have to plug (100ml + ) and the fact that it's so viscous it may need to be diluted further before it could be absorbed this way? That and it's likely to be a messy procedure.

You could always try it and report back with the results? Might be worth taking less than your usual oral dose though just in case there is a higher absorption rate?

I just found the following too:

US Patent for Aqueous sorbitol enema solution and method of using same

 

[L3inad]

Okay, I'm sorry What_was_it and L3inad, my comments were a little harsh. My main concerns would be the amount of liquid you'd have to plug (100ml + ) and the fact that it's so viscous it may need to be diluted further before it could be absorbed this way? That and it's likely to be a messy procedure.

You could always try it and report back with the results? Might be worth taking less than your usual oral dose though just in case there is a higher absorption rate?

I just found the following too:

US Patent for Aqueous sorbitol enema solution and method of using same

I have very little experience with plugging, however I dont see viscousity as being a major issue with absorbtion rates.

Even if it were to inhibit it somewhat, the oral bioavailibility is toted to be around 21% in the mega thread, and I'd say rectal would be much higher and would easily make up for any loss of absorbtion due to viscosity.

This seems incridibly low if you ask me. From user reports it seems that plugging DHC seems to be well superior to oral dosing, and based on overall oral/rectal bioavailibilities you'd say theres going to be a fair difference.

I had a quick look through that link belarki, seems sorbitol is not at all harmfull to your anus ;D

Cant find any stats on rectal bioavailibility of DHC but I'd say that you'd require a significantly lower amount of material then what one would normally use for oral dosing.

I'd be tempted to try 50ml myself (which doesnt seem like a horribly large amount of fluid to be going up there) and see what happens seeing as sorbitol doesnt seem to be harmfull I cant see why this wouldnt be feasible?

Considering that DHC is active in itself and its metabolite only makes up a tiny part of the overall high (and rectal administration will still go through your liver anyway) I'd say this method could well be very effective.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Even if it were to inhibit it somewhat, the oral bioavailibility is toted to be around 21% in the mega thread, and I'd say rectal would be much higher and would easily make up for any loss of absorbtion due to viscosity.

absorption rate doesn't equate to bioavailability

 

[L3inad]

absorption rate doesn't equate to bioavailability

Never said it did?

Maybe you misinterpreted me.

What I was trying to say, in reply to belarki's suspicion of the viscosity of the syrup potentially affecting absorbtion, was that the higher bioavailibility of rectal administration would easily make up for any loss sustained due to lower absorbtions caused by its viscosity.

re-reading that does my head in. Apologies for my shitty wording.

EDIT::

Further reading has made me aware that viscosity can effect absorbtion rates in rectal administration, however I'm yet to find anything to say that LESS of the substance will be taken up due to alterations in viscosity, rather the rate of absorbtion (ie. speed of onset) but not the actual amount absorbed.

I found this -

Viscosity: Viscosity considerations are also important in the
preparation and the release of the drug. If the viscosity of a base is
low, it may be necessary to add a thickening agent to ensure uniformity
of the drug in the vehicle. After the dosage form has been
administered, the release rate of the drug may be slowed if the viscosity
of the vehicle is very high. This is because the viscosity
causes the drug to diffuse more slowly through the base to reach
the mucosal membrane for absorption.

From here - http://niazi-pharmaceuticalinfo.blogspot.com/2009/06/compounding-rectal-dosage-forms.html

If anyone can shed more insight into this subject it would be appreciated.

 

[Jabberwocky]

cheers for clearing that up. you're right, i misinterpreted what you wrote.