Official Heroin Discussion Thread IV

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pallidamors said:
1. #3 and #4 dope refers to the levels of processing the heroin has gone through from morphine. #3 is brown powder which is found throughout most of the eastern U.S., #4 is china white. It has nothing to do with the quality of the heroin itself, just the form it takes.
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I don't know if you got mixed up or not, but heroin #4 is the heroin we get in the United States, typically Colombian powder and Mexican powder/tar. Heroin #3 is base usually cut with caffeine, that is typical Afghan powder found in Europe. Hence why you need some sort of citric acid to make it inject-able. It's the main reason Colombian powder found in the Eastern US doesn't smoke too well as the Afghan #3. Mexican tar is #4 heroin, but it lacks the refinement of Colombian dope which turns it into powder which is why it's unique.

#4 = Heroin HCL
#3 = Heroin base
 
^^^ Yea I think that Vancouver is the only place in North America that gets the #3 heroin, whereas the US gets the #4, whether it be tar or powder.

I still wanna call B.S on the dude saying that he dope was being called "girl" in this one spot in NYC.... One of the reasons being that he said that he saw a line of junkies waiting to be served, but couldn't join in because he was with his family.... Now I know that NYC can go from nice to shitty in a matter of 2 blocks, but I don't see you being in an area with your family getting food that close to an open market for dope. I really think the follow-up story on successfully copping "brown-girl" was to try to prove the ppl wrong who said that they never heard dope called girl in nyc... BTW what was the stamp?
 
the fact that dude said to him you mean that "brown" girl is all you need to know that dancemachine totally misheard something
 
alteknj said:
I don't know if you got mixed up or not, but heroin #4 is the heroin we get in the United States, typically Colombian powder and Mexican powder/tar. Heroin #3 is base usually cut with caffeine, that is typical Afghan powder found in Europe. Hence why you need some sort of citric acid to make it inject-able. It's the main reason Colombian powder found in the Eastern US doesn't smoke too well as the Afghan #3. Mexican tar is #4 heroin, but it lacks the refinement of Colombian dope which turns it into powder which is why it's unique.

#4 = Heroin HCL
#3 = Heroin base
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I never knew mexico was big on growing poppy

Yea I was thinking the same thing about still having opiates of some kind in my system as well. I guess I was remembering the good (or shall I say BAD) old days when all you got in detox was clonadine & a benydryl to sleep. Two days of that shit & a bag got me rocked. Of course the dope was alot better in those days! Thanx Pallidamors And I was scratching my head for 2 reasons, that thing about desert & the dope kinda made me itch. lol



But I do enjoy this site. It's so imformitive. I never really researched the exact shit i've been shoving in my veins for the past 18ish years. I just went about my business day in & day out copping & shooting. This site is so helpful. Thanx guys.
 
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alteknj said:
I don't know if you got mixed up or not, but heroin #4 is the heroin we get in the United States, typically Colombian powder and Mexican powder/tar. Heroin #3 is base usually cut with caffeine, that is typical Afghan powder found in Europe. Hence why you need some sort of citric acid to make it inject-able. It's the main reason Colombian powder found in the Eastern US doesn't smoke too well as the Afghan #3. Mexican tar is #4 heroin, but it lacks the refinement of Colombian dope which turns it into powder which is why it's unique.

#4 = Heroin HCL
#3 = Heroin base
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ya, you're absolutely right, my bad. After I posted that I was like, "shit, I forgot where base goes," but at that point I didn't feel like looking it up.

anonymous6619 said:
I never knew mexico was big on growing poppy
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You'd be surprised! In some regions of mexico, I believe the hilly or mountain areas that get some (but not too much) rainfall, poppies actually grow quite well. I believe that's the origin of alot of the tar that comes to the U.S.
 
I have a question for the moderator & I hope this is an ok place to ask it as I do not want to be disrespectful. I'm guessing it's against the rules to drop names of the stamps that are out there & I have no problem at all with that. Here's my question, is it against the rules to mention the stamp on complete shit dope to maybe try to help my peers from blowing much needed dough? I mean, let's face it, money just doesn't alway come easy & when I spend my cash of horse shit, I personally get exremley upset!!! I'm not looking for sourcing or anything like that, just trying to save a guy (or chick for that matter) a few bucks, nothing more, nothing less.

Oh, btw, it wasn't MY money that got burned this time, so I can't be too upset! I just wish the quality was a lot better!

Just do not play the lottery today guys ;)
 
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anonymous6619 said:
I have a question for the moderator & I hope this is an ok place to ask it as I do not want to be disrespectful. I'm guessing it's against the rules to drop names of the stamps that are out there & I have no problem at all with that. Here's my question, is it against the rules to mention the stamp of complete shit dope to maybe try to help my peers from blowing much needed dough? I mean, let's face it, money just doesn't alway come easy & when I spend my cash of horse shit, I personally get exremley upset!!! I'm not looking for sourcing or anything like that, just trying to save a guy (or chick for that matter) a few bucks, nothing more, nothing less.

Oh, btw, it wasn't MY money that got burned this time, so I can't be too upset! I just wish the quality was a lot better!

Just do not play the lottery today guys ;)
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Sorry, no stamp discussion means no stamp discussion. I know you mean well, but I know that this forum had problems when people were allowed to talk about specific stamps, so I can't let you mention the stamp, even if its shitty dope. Thanks for trying to look out, but yeah we've had too many people comin in making phony reports that certain stamps were shit, and others were fire, and it just got out of hand.

Also sorry that you weren't able to get your nod on!
 
FINALLY found a job in this nightmare of a state, paid cash daily as well!!!!

My connect "went to NYC" to reup, I don't know if he's BSing or not, but it certainly seems like the same NYC powder I'm accustomed to.

Now that I have a decent paying job I'm gonna celebrate a little today. Got an RX for Subutex from my new dr down here so, party today and start detoxing tomorrow!

Think I'm gonna grab a bun and a 1/2 of that girl, never had a real speedball before.

Hope everyones enjoying their afternoon nodfest right now.


WOW, just called one of the "Syringe exchange programs" local that was listed on here. Does not sound like a professional operation in the least. I asked a simple question(how does this work down here, do you offer sterile water etc) and he started going crazy on me.....Sounded like a fuckin thug selling tainted spikes TBH
 
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So as I was grabbing my usual raw yesterday, I realized I was out of dormin. me and dude run to the store to grab some and on our way back he tells me, 'remember now, if you mix all the dormin in at once it can degrade over time if you don't finish it quick enough.' Now, he knows that I am a moderate person and sometimes take my time to finish a bag..so I guess it's nice of him to tell me this.

But is that true? I've never heard anything like that before. It makes me wonder if that's a real statement of if he just wants me to finish it quicker so I come back lol. I tried searching it but found nothing.

And to clarify, he said it doesn't happen right away..but after a week or so he said the degradation can start. anyone else heard this shit? It seems like something that would be well known if true.
 
LLueBight said:
But is that true? I've never heard anything like that before. It makes me wonder if that's a real statement of if he just wants me to finish it quicker so I come back lol. I tried searching it but found nothing.
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your dude is full of shit. it can degrade if you mix it up with water and allow it to sit. it will convert itself back into morphine. but just sitting ina bag cut with dormin will not cause it to convert. why are you willing putting cut in your dope?
 
Yea, why are you cutting your own dope?

I also couldn't tell if you were asking if dormin will degrade itself, or degrade the dope.
 
The only reason someone would be cutting dope is if they sold it, and it will degrade from the moisture in the air, the dormin has nothing to do with it. Keep it in a cool, dark, and DRY place and it should be fine for a long time. I always keep mine in a light proof pill bottle with a desiccant pack to absorb all the moisture.
 
Didn't think I'd ever resort to hydrocodone again, maybe 20 of em will take the edge off at least. It'll have to do till I can make it to the city. Hope that brwn pwdr is still good as it was
 
eazyeze said:
Didn't think I'd ever resort to hydrocodone again, maybe 20 of em will take the edge off at least. It'll have to do till I can make it to the city. Hope that brwn pwdr is still good as it was
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Make sure you cwe that shit or your liver's gonna be sore the next day.
 
Nice surprise, when the hycdne showed up there where a couple of oc 80s and a fent patch that was a nice surprise. Now all I need is the brwn pwdr to be on time, either way it's gonna be a nice night
 
My connect forgot who i fuckin was after so long of not copping from him myself... That motherfucker got all sketched and turned off his phone. No dope till tomorrow or friday for me then.

I'm so pissed, i was a real loyal customer to him too but he forgot what kind of car i drove so that was it... i must be a cop. So gay.
 
I have heard that the dorman degrades the dope as well, just because you guys can't think of a logical reason that this would be true does not mean it isn't. I heard this quite a few times from dealers when i did dope in Chicago
 
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