Official Heroin Discussion Thread IV

[Tommyboy]

just copped a jab, ready to start the night

*team nod assemble*

"Present"

Did half a bun, and am nodding nicely. Will save the rest for tomorrow since I took some valium earlier, I dont want to push it. 1st time in a while that I will be playing today and tomorrow.

 

[LLueBight]

The only reason someone would be cutting dope is if they sold it.

Wrong. I get very high quality RAW dope and cut it w/ diphenhydramine because it potentiates opiates (kicks in the nod) while simultaneously keeping my tolerance down. I am more of a casual user and snort (not shoot) the drug and to me, it's always made sense from an economical standpoint to slightly cut the dope.

keep in midn though that I do not cut very much. I put in 50mg of diphenhydramine per gram. Some may think this is pointless but it keeps my cost and tolerance lower and I guarantee it's still more potent than almost all of the open air chicago street dope (been there and done that many a time)

 

[LawnChairSkank]

Wrong. I get very high quality RAW dope and cut it w/ diphenhydramine because it potentiates opiates (kicks in the nod) while simultaneously keeping my tolerance down. I am more of a casual user and snort (not shoot) the drug and to me, it's always made sense from an economical standpoint to slightly cut the dope.

keep in midn though that I do not cut very much. I put in 50mg of diphenhydramine per gram. Some may think this is pointless but it keeps my cost and tolerance lower and I guarantee it's still more potent than almost all of the open air chicago street dope (been there and done that many a time)

No, you are wrong. There's no evidence that diphenhydramine would keep your tolerance down, and your not going to get any effects from that little amount of it. That is what we would call placebo. If you want to cut your raw, stretch it out, for snorting, get some chitosan.

 

[Tommyboy]

Wrong. I get very high quality RAW dope and cut it w/ diphenhydramine because it potentiates opiates (kicks in the nod) while simultaneously keeping my tolerance down. I am more of a casual user and snort (not shoot) the drug and to me, it's always made sense from an economical standpoint to slightly cut the dope.

keep in midn though that I do not cut very much. I put in 50mg of diphenhydramine per gram. Some may think this is pointless but it keeps my cost and tolerance lower and I guarantee it's still more potent than almost all of the open air chicago street dope (been there and done that many a time)

If you are concerned about the diphenhydramine causing degrading of the quality, then why dont you keep them separate and sniff the raw, and then consume the diphenhydramine right before or after the heroin?

I am also curious if diphenhydramine has a better BA orally or nasally. You might be better off eating it.

No, you are wrong. There's no evidence that diphenhydramine would keep your tolerance down, and your not going to get any effects from that little amount of it. That is what we would call placebo. If you want to cut your raw, stretch it out, for snorting, get some chitosan.

I don't think that he means that the diphenhydramine would keep his tolerance down by itself. I think he means that since it allows him to consume less heroin due to the potentiation, that this keeps his tolerance a bit lower.

 

[chinky]

i dont know if its really really good dope which i snorted only 5 1/2 bags of (i normally snort 7-8 to feel real good, 10 if i want to be out for the night) or bad chicken fajitas that my brother said tasted funny to him...but ive puked a few times

this would be the first time i ever puked on opiates if thats what it is...i first started doing them every nw and then when i was like 15, im 24

 

[pallidamors]

i dont know if its really really good dope which i snorted only 5 1/2 bags of (i normally snort 7-8 to feel real good, 10 if i want to be out for the night) or bad chicken fajitas that my brother said tasted funny to him...but ive puked a few times

this would be the first time i ever puked on opiates if thats what it is...i first started doing them every nw and then when i was like 15, im 24

I feel like some dope just makes me puke, no matter how bad or good it is. I dont know if its the cut, or maybe cotton fever, but some batches make me vomit repeatedly every single time. And when I do a different batch with the same cotton, or in the same timeframe, I won't puke.

My friend calls it "puke dope" but I don't believe it. I think its probably the fajitas, man. I'd just keep snorting and keep hydrated. Not the best HR advice, but its just what I'd probably do.

You snort at least 5 bags to get where you want to be? Man, I admire you for not having started with the needle. That's a lot of self control.

 

[LLueBight]

I don't think that he means that the diphenhydramine would keep his tolerance down by itself. I think he means that since it allows him to consume less heroin due to the potentiation, that this keeps his tolerance a bit lower.

Exactly Tommyboy. I guess I thought it goes without saying, but thanks for clearing that up.

Again, giving the raw a slight diphen cut keeps my tolerance down because Im doing less dope. I've never heard of chitosan but I'll have to look into that if you think it's a better cut than dormin.

and btw, call it placebo if you wish..but when I do a fatty i definitely notice a little difference. The 2 drugs do have a bit of a synergistic effect so that makes me believe the H somewhat makes the diphen more active (or atleast more noticable) at a lower dose than by itself.

 

[pallidamors]

^You notice an effect because antihistamines potentiate dope. However, they don't lower your dope tolerance. AFAIK only abstinence and DXM (according to some studies) will really lower your tolerance.

 

[chinky]

You snort at least 5 bags to get where you want to be? Man, I admire you for not having started with the needle. That's a lot of self control.

yeah man i normally snort 7 or 8 bags and have not shot once not even let anyone do me...i dunno id love to know what it felt like but im way too afraid of shots

the more people i met that did dope it seems the people who slammed it were the ones in the worst shape, and even today i feel the same...im not saying everyone fits into this catagory because ive met my fair share of people who told me "i knew that if i ever was able to find heroin i would shoot it"....its just that those people are kinda rare and everyone else who i talked to seemd to have either one of 2 storys..

one started on script pain pills and worked they way up before the scripts got really expensive, they learn that dope is way cheaper then the pills and since its so cheao they go from doing pills once or twice a week for the same price they can do dope 4 or 5 days a week because they dtsrt doing dope damn near every day they tolerance shot up and before they knew it they couldnt afford to snort the dope anymore..they knew their tolerance wuld go down if they shot but they have always been afraid to shoot , but its either buy a jab and do it in one day and get high , stretch it out to keep the sick off but never catch a real high or finally slam it and get high everyday for the next week or 2..so they cave in and finally slam it and its down hill from there.

the other reason i got from people who slammed their dope is almost exactly the same as the above strory, with the script pills and blah blaits just that they went threw a really traumatic like a death or they lost their job and to them that was it..they didnt care anymore, they wernt afraid of the needle anymore all of a sudden and thats it for them

with me i dunno i dont like needles and i started out being a chipper so my use didnt rise as fast as some other poeple...and although now i my tolerance is up there ive been doin dope for almost 2 years and this is only where im at..i just never hit rock bottom to make me need that needle

 

[bearded_1]

yeah man i normally snort 7 or 8 bags and have not shot once not even let anyone do me...i dunno id love to know what it felt like but im way too afraid of shots

the more people i met that did dope it seems the people who slammed it were the ones in the worst shape, and even today i feel the same...im not saying everyone fits into this catagory because ive met my fair share of people who told me "i knew that if i ever was able to find heroin i would shoot it"....its just that those people are kinda rare and everyone else who i talked to seemd to have either one of 2 storys..

one started on script pain pills and worked they way up before the scripts got really expensive, they learn that dope is way cheaper then the pills and since its so cheao they go from doing pills once or twice a week for the same price they can do dope 4 or 5 days a week because they dtsrt doing dope damn near every day they tolerance shot up and before they knew it they couldnt afford to snort the dope anymore..they knew their tolerance wuld go down if they shot but they have always been afraid to shoot , but its either buy a jab and do it in one day and get high , stretch it out to keep the sick off but never catch a real high or finally slam it and get high everyday for the next week or 2..so they cave in and finally slam it and its down hill from there.



the other reason i got from people who slammed their dope is almost exactly the same as the above strory, with the script pills and blah blaits just that they went threw a really traumatic like a death or they lost their job and to them that was it..they didnt care anymore, they wernt afraid of the needle anymore all of a sudden and thats it for them

with me i dunno i dont like needles and i started out being a chipper so my use didnt rise as fast as some other poeple...and although now i my tolerance is up there ive been doin dope for almost 2 years and this is only where im at..i just never hit rock bottom to make me need that needle

I've been in the dope game for almost ten years and have only shot it twice. Just keep wondering what the rush is like because there is nothing that compares to it. I usually snort around a half gram at a time, two or three times a day so it gets expensive. I thought I could save a lot of money by shooting, for awhile anyway. But whenever a needle pokes me I bruise really bad, guess that is what saved me from that downward spiral.

I agree with palidamors, I'm sure it was the chicken. I've never got sick snorting. Be good everyone!

 

[Delsyd]

you dont necessarily have to hit rock bottom to want to IV.

I am only a chipper and i always IV.
The reason i started to IV was the same reason i started using heroin, just curious to see what the high was like.

I also wasnt a fan of needles. I thought maybe that would hurt or it would be hard to do.
Its was neither of those things for me, and i found the high to be far superior to snorting so i stuck with it.

To each their own...

^You notice an effect because antihistamines potentiate dope. However, they don't lower your dope tolerance. AFAIK only abstinence and DXM (according to some studies) will really lower your tolerance.

I dont think he meant that diphen lowers his tolerance.
I think he's saying that due to its potentiation he uses less dope and that keeps his tolerance lower than it would be without the diphen.

 

[LLueBight]

yeah man i normally snort 7 or 8 bags and have not shot once not even let anyone do me...i dunno id love to know what it felt like but im way too afraid of shots

Damn..I could be wrong but snorting 8 bags at a time (and especially 'bags' of street dope and not higher purity dope) seems a lot worse on your body than IV. Do you know how much unneeded crap your putting into your nostrils? if you figure your dime bags have about 40% purity, that would means your snorting almost 5 bags of non-opiate materials. I don't know what kinda shape your nose is in but my guess is in less than perfect condition..

Atleast when you IV you cook off a lot of the impurities. But if you are really against the needle and you are this deep in the habit I'd reccommend a nice body detox with some bupe or even xanax (you claim to not get that sick w/ the snorting habit so that may be doable) and get that tolerance back down.

 

[onemystic]

Damn..I could be wrong but snorting 8 bags at a time (and especially 'bags' of street dope and not higher purity dope) seems a lot worse on your body than IV. Do you know how much unneeded crap your putting into your nostrils? if you figure your dime bags have about 40% purity, that would means your snorting almost 5 bags of non-opiate materials. I don't know what kinda shape your nose is in but my guess is in less than perfect condition..

Atleast when you IV you cook off a lot of the impurities. But if you are really against the needle and you are this deep in the habit I'd reccommend a nice body detox with some bupe or even xanax (you claim to not get that sick w/ the snorting habit so that may be doable) and get that tolerance back down.

I have a snorting habit, and trust me, the sickness is unbearable... However I did go a week without using recently and can definitely give some advice to people looking to quit. Benadryl for the sneezing and runny nose, and Imodium AD REALLY helped me take the edge off.

Just wondering, how does cooking the dope get rid of the cut? I mean, the vut doesn't just evaporate right?

 

[anonymous6619]

i didn't hit rock bottom either when i started shoooting it. i had been snorting it for about a year, knowing i had just had plastic surgery on my nose 2 years prior. it wasn't like i ran out of money or had a pill dependency (although the reason i started dope in the first place was they stopped making hits one of the pills anyway, but i was never addicted to those), one of our friends shot it & when i saw how much higher he got i wanted to try it.

after 18-ish years of shooting every day non-stop, i hardly even have scars. i mean yea i have a few, but nothing major. also, i stopped using my hands & arms a few years back & switched to my feet & legs.

Chinky, did you say you do 7-8 or 10 bags in a day every day & don't get that sick? 11 years ago i had a 20-25 bag a day habit & went into detox! i did 25 bags before going in & by the next day i felt like i was dying!!! of course that was way before suboxen & subutex, so i was getting clonadine (one every 6 hours) i signed myself out quick. i was only there for court anyway, but i could barely stand up i was so sick.

 

[shake]

cooking dope does nothing. it dont cook off cut it dont kill bacteria it is nothing but i waste of time.

 

[Unbreakable]

cooking dope makes your dick grow one inch easy

 

[LawnChairSkank]

^You notice an effect because antihistamines potentiate dope. However, they don't lower your dope tolerance. AFAIK only abstinence and DXM (according to some studies) will really lower your tolerance.

He said he cuts 50mg's of diphen to a whole g of raw. I don't know any "casual snorters" who would go through a whole g of raw in one sitting, or even half a g for that matter. My box of benadryl recommends 50mg 3x a day for it's antihistamine effect. I don't think that little bit of diphen that is in his dope would noticeably potentiate anything, that's why I said placebo.

 

[anonymous6619]

there is no point in cooking dope unless it looks like mud, which in that case you probably got real dogshit! i just use a little cold water. i heard in the 70's you had to heat your dope, i also heard it helped using a drop of lemon juice. i dont know what the reasoning was as i was a kid in the 70's, maybe what they used to cut it?

*For Chinky, it probably was the chicken. I used to puke from sniffing all the time, but that was when I just started doing dope. After my body got used to it I was good.

Also, one other thing, since you guys were talking about pink dope, i had it once or twice & had no clue why it was pink (now i know...lol), but does anyone know what the fuck would make the dope purple? orange? Yes in fact I have had purple dope & orange dope a few times as well.

 

[LLueBight]

cooking dope does nothing. it dont cook off cut it dont kill bacteria it is nothing but i waste of time.

hmm really? I always have been told it's more likely to kill off some of the bacteria the dope may be infested with.

I think I may try cutting it more next time..say 3-4 pills (25 mg) of diphen per gram. I know most of chicago street dope is cut with 6-8 pills of Dormin per gram ... and sometimes even more! ick.

 

[LawnChairSkank]

there is no point in cooking dope unless it looks like mud, which in that case you probably got real dogshit! i just use a little cold water. i heard in the 70's you had to heat your dope, i also heard it helped using a drop of lemon juice. i dont know what the reasoning was as i was a kid in the 70's, maybe what they used to cut it?

It was probably heroin #3, which is freebase heroin. You had to add an acid for it to dissolve in water(lemon juice, vinegar). It is still prevalent in Europe. The U.S. gets heroin #4 which is heroin hcl, ready to shoot, but not the best for smoking.