The DMT discussion thread

[hunuh]

i don't doubt what you're saying mate. Anyone could be vulnerable to a substance for different reasons. When you say 'severely bad reaction' were they all just bad trips(raped by an entity) and showed similar symptoms of anxiety? or have there been some obvious hypersensitivity like reactions?

ime the adverse reactions are usually caused by the sheer intensity of dmt, the after effects of such a trip is usually something along the lines of ptsd. imo, this is different(though still a bad experience) from being raped by entities and things along those lines but on most occasions the after-effects are still generally the same but i've seen worse freak outs due to the intensity.

I had been reading how DMT works on tryptamine and serotonin and many other receptors and enzymes.

tryptamine isn't a receptor

 

[cosdog]

I find it unusual that somebody is knowledgable enough to go through the whole extraction process of DMT, but neglects their responsibility to nurture the trees as sustainably as they can?

 

[Verybuffed]

I find it unusual that somebody is knowledgable enough to go through the whole extraction process of DMT, but neglects their responsibility to nurture the trees as sustainably as they can?

Sadly it is probably because of the high profit margin.

 

[Sublimit]

ime the adverse reactions are usually caused by the sheer intensity of dmt, the after effects of such a trip is usually something along the lines of ptsd. imo, this is different(though still a bad experience) from being raped by entities and things along those lines but on most occasions the after-effects are still generally the same but i've seen worse freak outs due to the intensity.

yeah thats a similar idea i have. I think the people that have adverse reactions, experienced trippers or not, they have a hard time mentally accepting it. whether its just from the sheer intensity is doubtful for an experienced tripper though. I relate dreams very closely with psychedelics, especially DMT and every once in a while i have some really fucked up dreams that have made me feel sick upon waking. dreams can be easy to forget though, and some u never forget. if i imagined a waking dream horror-show.... DMT + nightmare and i can see even the strongest being mentally broken by it.

every dmt trip i've had has a sense of uniqueness and randomness to it. maybe i've never had such a bad trip(well if you think your dead, it's scary at the time) before, but my mind and spirit isn't in the right place atm and i respect it too much just to do it on a whim.

tryptamine isn't a receptor

I didn't say it was

I find it unusual that somebody is knowledgable enough to go through the whole extraction process of DMT, but neglects their responsibility to nurture the trees as sustainably as they can?

i don't know what your implying here? the people knowledgeable enough are usually very respectful of it and have noble reasons to take a tree. I can assure you that the people i know who have taken trees have only ever taken 1 at a time from different places and that profit is the last thing on their minds. cuttings are hard to grow, but can be done.

Sadly it is probably because of the high profit margin.

speculation. Again, as far as i know profit is the last thing on these people's minds. i don't know of anyone that has sold it. traded sometimes yes.(usually another psychedelic) but it's generally given out to be handed out.... thats why they do it.

i'm not aware of people wiping out whole batches of trees in order to sell DMT at any price. maybe it's different in NSW.... i don't know what goes on there. i have always known that if you harvest Acacia Phlebophylla then you wont get any presents for xmas

 

[Verybuffed]

speculation. Again, as far as i know profit is the last thing on these people's minds. i don't know of anyone that has sold it. traded sometimes yes.(usually another psychedelic) but it's generally given out to be handed out.... thats why they do it.

i'm not aware of people wiping out whole batches of trees in order to sell DMT at any price. maybe it's different in NSW.... i don't know what goes on there. i have always known that if you harvest Acacia Phlebophylla then you wont get any presents for xmas

Sadly it happens a lot here. They don't have to destroy whole batches of trees either which is even sadder.

I am in total agreement with you about Phleb. Phleb seedlings gets traded around occasionally and there seems to be a fairly active movement to get them established in the right places.

 

[hunuh]

whether its just from the sheer intensity is doubtful for an experienced tripper though.

you'd be very suprised

I didn't say it was

so it was just a misuse of words then..

i don't know what your implying here? the people knowledgeable enough are usually very respectful of it and have noble reasons to take a tree. I can assure you that the people i know who have taken trees have only ever taken 1 at a time from different places and that profit is the last thing on their minds. cuttings are hard to grow, but can be done.

the damage done to the species comes from the stripping of the bark.. cutting them down isn't really necessary

speculation. Again, as far as i know profit is the last thing on these people's minds. i don't know of anyone that has sold it. traded sometimes yes.(usually another psychedelic) but it's generally given out to be handed out.... thats why they do it.

not really speculation, more along the lines of common knowledge.. a DMT extraction is relatively easy, if there is money to be made than i'd say your average drug dealer wouldn't give two shits about what/who they are hurting in the process

 

[Silver_GT]

DMT is definantly sold and bought as per usual street drugs, sadly.

 

[Seith]

I think they take 13-17 years to grow big.

Kind of why I mentioned it, if you want to strip/cut down trees then give back and plant a few seeds .

 

[cosdog]

i don't know what your implying here? the people knowledgeable enough are usually very respectful of it and have noble reasons to take a tree. I can assure you that the people i know who have taken trees have only ever taken 1 at a time from different places and that profit is the last thing on their minds. cuttings are hard to grow, but can be done.

I've heard bits and pieces of people commenting on how people destroy the trees etc. That's the only information i'm going by really. ;D

 

[picadore]

Is it really better to remove whole trees?

I'm seeing alot of talk of people removing whole trees but no one has mentioned re-planting them, i really don't think this will be good for the species.

From what I've read acacia seeds are hard to germinate, so if each person did there bit and collected some seed and returned a few sapling to each location imagine how many trees would be there in 5-10 years time.

"Be a gentle friend to trees and they will give you back beauty, cool and fragrant shade, and many birds,
singing."

 

[marley]

Don't use Acacia...use MHRB (I do not believe the importation is prohibited)

 

[hunuh]

it is very prohibited

 

[Verybuffed]

it is very prohibited

Definitely prohibited. Don't make the mistake of importing Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark.

 

[picadore]

I would still risk losing a few hundred on a seized MHRB import from a good online source before i go cutting down whole trees.

If you do it right you wont get much more than a letter in the mail.

You never know the odd one might get through

Just keep in mind the risk of exposing our flora and fauna to international pest, so if your importing Mimosa please take care with handling and disposal of anything contaminated by the bark.


I would hate to see a negative impact on the environment in 10 years caused from something so wonderful as DMT.

 

[Verybuffed]

I would still risk losing a few hundred on a seized MHRB import from a good online source before i go cutting down whole trees.

If you do it right you wont get much more than a letter in the mail.

You never know the odd one might get through

That's bad advice to give in this forum.

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

When it comes to collecting acacia I tell people to head out after storms and collect fallen branches. This is very productive and it's not causing any harm that nature itself isn't inflicting.

As for replanting, seeds are difficult to germinate, but you can find most acacia species at nurseries. You should always give back what you take from nature.

If you do decide to harvest in nature it is best to remove a single tree rather than strip bark and damage several tree's which can lead to tree death anyway. Be sure to bless the tree and give an offering to the spirits to stop any negative energy. If you remove a single tree you will have enough DMT for many years unless you're a greedy prick that just sees it as a money making project.

People have been successfully growing MHRB in northern parts of Aus in recent years. I believe we will see a lot of it in years to come. Importing MHRB is just leading to forest destruction in South America so it's a no brainer to say 'just import it instead of using Australian acacia'...

Some DMT containing acacia species are considered pests in certain regions of Aus so do some research and you could be in luck.

 

[phase_dancer]

Unless I've misidentified the local trees, Madenii's are certainly not rare around here. I'm sure the endangered species bit only applies to Victoria and places where massive deforestation has occurred. I've got suckers coming out all over my footpath where an old one was removed and there's another that the council will be all too willing to remove - it's at least 17 years old. The thing is, they don't live all that long, and as Psilo mentioned, eventually branches fall off. In the case of my sidewalk trees, they both pose/d a danger to motorists and pedestrians - large hanging branches split back at the trunk.

So I hope to have the second removed before the summer. Then it's a case of mowing down the multitude of suckers until I get around to applying the poison

"Be a gentle friend to trees and they will give you back beauty, cool and fragrant shade, and many birds,
singing."

Where we live, you can almost be as vicious as you like to most native trees, and they'll still continue to give you cool fragrant (or in the case of some Melaleucas, not so fragrant) shade..... and attract birds including the crows and magpies, all of which results in bird shit covering the fences and paths They also block the better views, and send roots into underground services. Trees? In future I think I'll be getting around with a parasol and plant only short bushes with non-invasive roots

 

[Sublimit]

As for replanting, seeds are difficult to germinate, but you can find most acacia species at nurseries. You should always give back what you take from nature.

If you do decide to harvest in nature it is best to remove a single tree rather than strip bark and damage several tree's which can lead to tree death anyway. Be sure to bless the tree and give an offering to the spirits to stop any negative energy. If you remove a single tree you will have enough DMT for many years unless you're a greedy prick that just sees it as a money making project.

everything you've said there is spot on, and is the right attitude. i'll always remember smoking DMT in the presence of the same tree we extracted it from years earlier(we took the bark without removing the tree). was a very spiritual moment for us, and also there were 4 trees there that had shoot up and were doing really well since we first planted them 5 years ago. that was 2 years ago. essentially we'll have taken one mid sized acacia and replaced it with four soon to be wallowing trees. that whole place is enchanting.

 

[picadore]

That's bad advice to give in this forum.

Oh yeah sorry, i forgot the collection of acacia is for legal uses isn't it 8)


And the illegal removal of native trees is good advice?


So if these acacias are so abundant that branches are falling off all over the place then why is there talk about people going out trekking through the bush just to find small plots of half dead acacias then removing whole trees?

Like psilo said you can find most acacias species at your local nursery so why doesn't everyone grow there own?

I always thought mimosa hostilis was grow sustainably because of it's use as a natural dye and and in cosmetics. I'm yet to read any evidence that says it's harvesting is causing damage.

Has anyone actually been charged with importing mimosa, i'm under the impression that you can't import because of the quarentine risk not because it contains DMT.


I just can't believe that you guys are recomending the illegal removal of native trees thats all.


Untill replanting seedling was brought up not one person mentioned doing so...

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

I know of a few people not receiving their MHRB when trying to import. All they got was a 'naughty boy note' from customs and no further action. I am forever meeting people who import MHRB, but I still don't recommend this.

A lot of Australian acacia now grow outside of their original range and in many places they are a pest.

I am forever seeing council and vic roads cutting back or completely removing longifolia and obtusifolia in Vic. There is a national park in Vic (I can't give out locations) where they have been removing them for many years to try and get more eucalyptus growing for the koala's.

When storms rip through that national park it is a DMT lovers paradise to say the least.

I am totally against removing tree's from small clusters, but when it comes to places over run with them, places where people are payed to cut down then burn them, I see no harm in removal.

It is great to give back what you take from nature, so even when removing from an over run location I'd ask that people respect nature and maybe plant a struggling species in it's natural habitat.