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any successful occasional meth/heroin users?

i started using opiates when i was 12 or 13..started "going steady" and being exclusive to heroin at 14. from 14 to 17 i was using at least 4 or 5 times a week, every day i didnt i was using any upper i could get my hands on just to get me up to go to school/church/ball practice..2 years later i've gotten the heroin a little more under control than it was but still nowhere near clean. if it were a matter of not having the money to keep a supply it would be easier to quit, i think. i haven't found a reason to ever want to abstain, so.

those who use steadily for more than a couple years and are legitimately not dependent are folks i'd like to shake hands with and buy them a beer.
 
I've been using opiates recreationslly since I was like 14 and at least once a month as well. Just used meth again today because my buddy never tried it, 2 years ago, thank god for high-schoolers.
 
OP i hope youre not doing this because you think if trying it yourself. chances are very good you will not be able to control these drugs, and its impossible to control if you IV.

if you really like the idea of these drugs try pharms. like oxy/dilaudid and dexies/adderall
 
Uh. Doesn't weekly use sound like you're getting carried away?

I've no problems with meth or heroin. I tried meth once, loved it almost as much as MDMA. It's been 7 years. I have done heroin maybe a dozen times, once a few days in a row, and just went 8 years without using it before using it again twice recently. I almost always injected heroin, except these last two times as I'm not injecting black tar.

However, I'm pretty addicted to cannabinoids and I've had a bad nicotine habit in the past. So I wouldn't say my non-issues with heroin and meth are due to not having an addictive personality.
 
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I lightly experimented with H and other hard drugs (no meth). I don't know how but I didn't get addicted. it was fun but it could have cost me everything. What seperates the experimenter from the addict? Maybe luck, maybe biology, I don't know. Looking back it was stupid. Its not worth the risk.
 
Coolio, how certain are you that cannabinoids are addictive? Maybe you just have an addiction to the physical act of smoking?
 
There's plenty of scientific evidence to explain cannabinoid addiction. It's not just psychological. The primary effect that I have an issue with is receptor downregulation in the pancreas leading to decreased bile production. My digestive juices don't start flowing until I smoke a joint. This is one of the main physical dependency issues a cannabinoid addict will have.

At higher doses, with full CB1+CB2 agonists like JWH-018, you can develop such a tolerance that you experience opioid withdrawal like effects from cannabinoid withdrawal. CB1 and mu opioid receptors allosterically interact, and CB1 agonism would lead to mu opioid receptor downregulation possibly as well.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.neuropharm.2006.05.019
 
There's plenty of scientific evidence to explain cannabinoid addiction. It's not just psychological. The primary effect that I have an issue with is receptor downregulation in the pancreas leading to decreased bile production. My digestive juices don't start flowing until I smoke a joint. This is one of the main physical dependency issues a cannabinoid addict will have.

At higher doses, with full CB1+CB2 agonists like JWH-018, you can develop such a tolerance that you experience opioid withdrawal like effects from cannabinoid withdrawal. CB1 and mu opioid receptors allosterically interact, and CB1 agonism would lead to mu opioid receptor downregulation possibly as well.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.neuropharm.2006.05.019


That's very interesting.
 
Interesting. However that's only one study. And they state many times that "it seems" or "it may." Not doubting it, I'd just like to see more. Shame you have to buy the damn thing. That JWH shit really sketches me out too
 
I've used heroin now and again for 3 years and never found it that appealing or addicting. On the other hand, I can't stay away from methamphetamine.
 
Interesting. However that's only one study. And they state many times that "it seems" or "it may." Not doubting it, I'd just like to see more. Shame you have to buy the damn thing. That JWH shit really sketches me out too

I just pasted an abstract of an article which demonstrates what I'm trying to explain really concisely. There are lots of other articles which hint at this combined cannabinoid/opioid response, but they're harder to find using search terms. If you keep looking up 'mu opioid receptor' and 'CB1' you'll find more research.
 
I use both meth and heroin and both of them only occassionally. Really it is money that influences this because if I wasn't so poor I would use more.

I am not really "successful" I am 20 years old and live with my mum, I am studying marketing at TAFE, have a cruisy job working from home and still collect Government handouts (I do report my income, not cheating the system). I am a recovered alcoholic who still drinks fairly regularly, dependent on marijuana and frequently abuse benzodiazepines and mild opiates, mainly codeine.
 
i've used for 2 years, smoked ocasionally, and just come off from pinning the last 3 nights in a row, no serious WD's, i just think to myself, if i ever feel a slight sign of WD i cant handle its time to stop because they only get worse.

for me it's no big bad monster, there's also tapering off to ease withdrawals.. i also recomend, daily exercise to release endorphins without drugs, eg, always exercise vigourously or for a long time before a hit, and always straight away the day after, or as sooon as you feel decent, i avoid junk food too as itslows me down and makes me lethargic, not wanting to exercise.. good swim, sauna, weights, cardio, fruits of your choice,
 
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this is a really big question i have as well, ive wanted to try snorting heroin for about a year now. somewhat experienced with other opiates and want to try the next level. ive used cocaine around 20 times over the past few years with no problems with addiction and hope heroin will be the same. still scared to try it at this point, really don't want to get addicted.
 
I have been chipping with heroin for the past few months now...I'll use it like 2-3 days and won't touch it for a few weeks. That is mostly because I am broke these days though.
 
I've never met any, I figure if they exist they're like the greatest criminals, you never hear about the greatest criminals because they never get caught. So if they exist they're likely to hide it very well.

I think that there may be exceptions for the rich who have tremendous self discipline, considering you can function normally on opiates as long as you have a regular supply, I mean obviously there have been plenty of very successful people who were junkies for long periods of time, I guess it depends on what your definition of success is.
 
Without trying to sound full of myself, I'd consider myself a successful person. At age 24, I have a great, high paying job at a major corporation in the field that I always wanted to work in, I have my dream car, I live in a bad ass house, I have a gorgeous girlfriend, I'm in a band, I play/write music, and not to mention I'm CONSTANTLY striving to make my life better and better and achieve goals I set for myself. I'm extremely happy with my life and as far as I'm concerned, that is success.

Having said that, I've definitely done my share of drugs by this point, many of them being amongst the more addictive ones. Poppy pod tea, oxycodone, coke, molly, a whole slew of benzos, and am yet to become addicted to anything, which is including some of the drugs that I did do on a daily basis (scripts) like oxy, hydro, valium, kpin, temaz, etc.. It could be argued that I'm addicted (addicted is too strong of a word, let's go with fascinated, maybe even obsessed) to the idea of drugs themselves. I love drugs, I'm excited about drugs, I think about drugs all the time, I love reading about them and researching them, reading TR's, and any time I get my hands on something that I like or have wanted to try, it's like Christmas day. My roommate handed me his whole script of vicodin the other day because they "made him constipated" (duh...) and asked me if I wanted them (duh again...). Simply this happening made my day, I was so happy I just scored big time for free, and kept thinking "Yeah, I'm the man, I got a whole bottle of vic's at my disposal at home...". The most important factor is, though, that said bottle of vicodin can sit in my drawer for weeks no problemo, and I'll use them sometime in the future when I feel like it, maybe this week, maybe next, maybe next year, etc.. My opiate tolerance has gone up way too much from weekly pod tea use, so I put opiates on the shelf altogether for a while until it goes back down, and I have no problem doing this.

It's all about moderation, self control, knowledge about the substances you're using, and how to properly use them. Daily use of ANY drug (yes, even pot) is a bad idea and will most certainly lead to addiction. Moderation, moderation, moderation.
 
When I was younger, I used to take methamphetamine and amphetamines on most weekends.
It was never really appealing for me to make it any more than that. I just couldnt be bothered having to go through all the drama of finding a source, finding the money etc
That and the comedowns are fairly rough and I dont like being awake all the time: Cant think of anything worse to be honest.
 
Without trying to sound full of myself, I'd consider myself a successful person. At age 24, I have a great, high paying job at a major corporation in the field that I always wanted to work in, I have my dream car, I live in a bad ass house, I have a gorgeous girlfriend, I'm in a band, I play/write music, and not to mention I'm CONSTANTLY striving to make my life better and better and achieve goals I set for myself. I'm extremely happy with my life and as far as I'm concerned, that is success.

Having said that, I've definitely done my share of drugs by this point, many of them being amongst the more addictive ones. Poppy pod tea, oxycodone, coke, molly, a whole slew of benzos, and am yet to become addicted to anything, which is including some of the drugs that I did do on a daily basis (scripts) like oxy, hydro, valium, kpin, temaz, etc.. It could be argued that I'm addicted (addicted is too strong of a word, let's go with fascinated, maybe even obsessed) to the idea of drugs themselves. I love drugs, I'm excited about drugs, I think about drugs all the time, I love reading about them and researching them, reading TR's, and any time I get my hands on something that I like or have wanted to try, it's like Christmas day. My roommate handed me his whole script of vicodin the other day because they "made him constipated" (duh...) and asked me if I wanted them (duh again...). Simply this happening made my day, I was so happy I just scored big time for free, and kept thinking "Yeah, I'm the man, I got a whole bottle of vic's at my disposal at home...". The most important factor is, though, that said bottle of vicodin can sit in my drawer for weeks no problemo, and I'll use them sometime in the future when I feel like it, maybe this week, maybe next, maybe next year, etc.. My opiate tolerance has gone up way too much from weekly pod tea use, so I put opiates on the shelf altogether for a while until it goes back down, and I have no problem doing this.

It's all about moderation, self control, knowledge about the substances you're using, and how to properly use them. Daily use of ANY drug (yes, even pot) is a bad idea and will most certainly lead to addiction. Moderation, moderation, moderation.

How long have you been using poppy pod tea?

Just be careful with your usage if you ever hit a rough patch in your life. When I first got addicted I knew I was becoming addicted, but I just didn't give a fuck at that point. I was really depressed and really hopeless about the future with no direction at all. Obviously daily use of oxy and then heroin is going to lead to addiction. When I actually did give a fuck again and wanted to have some form of a life again and try to find some direction it was really tough because I was stuck at that point.

Also, I think it's a little different in some cases if you're using something on a daily basis, but you have a prescription for it. Benzo's would be more of an exception since most of the people who seem to be addicted to them are people who are prescribed them. Having a script for opiates vs buying them illegally is a much different scenario.
 
I been able to use successfully but it took me years n years of addiction of a IV dope habit to learn how.

Honestly i feel like the best chance you got at ever bein able to do the occasional once in a while shit, where you have yourself a lil "high day" and then dont do it again for a while , is to go thru a addiction first....that might sound crazy but just hear me out

when u start at the beginning u really dont know how it is to get addicted, u dont know when you are startin to fall into it, u just dont know shit. Its easy to have that false security like "i got this" when u dont.

But once you been a "hard core" addict, and u live that life for a few years, get arrested, go to jail, lose your friends and familys trust, have people you care about die from OD's and get locked up for years n years so u never see em again, and all around just live that miserable life, and IF you manage to get your shit together and stop using, ONLY THEN , (and only SOME PEOPLE can successfuly do it) do you got enough real incentive never to go back to that.

And dont get me wrong, i aint sayin that (ex)addicts are the only ones who can control their use n use successfully. becuz many, many addicts end up never bein able to contol their use again. once u pop the fun dont stop, ya kno? :\ they end up in a life time of quittin, goin on a run that lasts weeks, months, or years, then quittin, usin, etc, on and on, and never quite master the "just for fun, once in a while" shit.


BUT--There is also some people, a rare breed sure, but I seen plenty of em, who IS able to do the once in a blue moon shit after they get clean. Also I am (well, not am, WAS, since i am havin a baby and stopped using cuz Ima be a mom! :) ) one of those ppl.

Ill give a lil bit of my story and how i was able to do it....

I had got arrested 3 times , some of yall kno my story since I have told it on here before. I was facin state prison time, less than 10 years but more than 2 or 3, on some conspiracy and distribution charges. I got off on those since the wire tap that the cops got, ended up bein no good bcuz they didnt follow the proper procedure to get it, so i got off with 3 yrs probation when i copped out. When i got popped again with a brick of dope I got concurrent probation , 2 yrs, and a whole set of shit that would happen if i fucked it up like gettin my plea deal revoked and gettin re-sentenced to the prison time i had avoided, losin my license for 24 mos, etc. So i had some heavy shit on my hands.

Well, I kept gettin high even tho I was on probation every wk, i would use for 2 days then get clean for 5 to pass the piss test, n so on. I got one dirty and i caught a break on it, only had to get a drug evaluation. But how ever somehow i calculated the days wrong, and ended up pissing dirty on the day that I had to get the drug evaluation ( *facepalm* :| ) So I was about to catch a VOP and lose all that shit that ijust said before, go to state, etc all that, and I talked my PO out of lockin me up and said i would do IOP.

So from that time I realized, i REALLY couldnt use. i actually, REALLY HAD TO take a break for a while. So i got on methadnoe and stayed clean and really didnt use for months .

Once i got down to only seein my PO once every 2-3 weeks, i decided i had earned my self a high. So i would cop and get high as i wanted to get for a day then the next day, that was it. Throw away the needles, get rid of the empties, and get back on the Done and dont look back. i did it like once a month at the most but sometimes less often. And that was really it. i enjoyed my high when i had it, but i wasnt thinkin about it afterwards. i wasnt lookin forward to it like OMGOMGOMGOMG Ima get high tomorrow, yea yea yea yea woohoo, like i use to do when i would go piss for my PO, come up clean and then go do the fat shot i had prepared for myself as soon as i left probation office back when i was still a addict.

Becuz i finally understood , REALLY truly recognized, how much i had to lose, it just stopped bein a way of life that i could let my self live no more. I am on the methadone and it really does its job and then some. I dont get the cravings an shit for dope no more. i am truly happy and aint got that depression that all of us seems to get hit with when we cant do dope. I am actually satisfied in my life, i feel fulfilled, WITHOUT dope. when in the past it was like if i couldnt use, i always felt like somethin was missing.

So, once i got on the right track, on the done, stayin clean for probation, stayin outta trouble, walkin the straight path or w/ever, i could afford to have a lil enjoyment once a month or so. But I didnt start doin it more. i didnt want to do it more. its less fun the more u do it. and also, if it didnt work out for w/ever reason, i wasnt sad or mad or disappointed, i could take it or leave it, u kno? I was still cool with it if i couldnt cop or didnt have no money to get nothin that month. And it wasnt even on a monthly schedule really, it was more like when ever it would be the right time and right place--i had just seen my PO, and i happened to have money and my friend hit me up tellin me he was gonna go get somethin , I would be like, aight, that sounds good. But i never really went to go seek it out or try to MAKE it, FORCE it to happen, you know? I didnt need it , didnt want it bad enough to really go all outta my way to try and make it work, so if it worked, it worked, if not, i was perfectly happy to just keep doin me without the high that day.

Like I said I stopped usin when I found out that Ima be a mom <3 But i would definately call my use before that, Successful. I was a horrible junkie for quite a few years , i mean just a major fuck up, shoot dope til i die, dont care if i OD with a needle in my arm, etc type of user. I OD'ed and my first thought was, where is my dope at, that shit was FIRE i need to do that again! you know, that kind of "hopeless" junkie, shootin half a brick or more a day not carin about nothing except dope, not care if i live or die , etc.

And I think that goin THRU that life, made me really understand just how much i never , ever wanted to go back to livin that way. so it was a really good motivation to stay straight and when i did use, honestly, it wasnt even like i had to CONTROL it. It controlled itself. Becuz that urge, that desire to overdo it, to keep doing it, that voice that tells you just one more day, just cop one more time, that voice wasnt even THERE. So I didnt have to keep myself in control, didnt even have to work to moderate my use, becuz i didnt want to overdo it no more like I use to. It was like it was self-moderating by the fact that the way my mind worked had changed so that i didnt have that tendency to go overboard like i use to.

I think that if you realy have to consciously, specifically take note and go out of your way to make sure you control your use and keep it in check, then you got the chance of goin out of control. If you like it that much that you HAVE to control yourslf, as opposed to just naturally not having that desire in the first place that makes you want more than you should, then you got the potential for a addiction there.

IME the most successful users, aint got to "CONTROL" their use becuz its already controlled by the fact that they dont WANT to do it again the day later, they dont WANT to overdo it, they dont WANT to keep gettin high after they said they would stop--its like the person who eats when they are hungry, and stops when they are full, and never counts calories or goes on a diet, vs. the person who eats the exact same amount as the first one, but they got to restrict wat they eat, and not let themself eat this or that, etc.

To keep with the whole "diet" anaolgy, the best way I can describe the attitude of the "successful chipper" is this.

the person who is the potential addict, who is tightly controllin their use, will say "Haha! I WANTED that second piece of cake, but I didnt have it. I used my self control and discipline to hold back and not let myself do it. I am in control. I fought my urge to eat more than I shoulda."

but the successful chipper, only wanted one piece to begin with, so they never even had to stop themself from havin the second one.

the potential addict eventually, their willpower wears down over time and they just start havin less and less control as the drug gets more and more into their mind and body. Or , they get to a point where they just say "fuckit, i really dont give a shit if i get addicted or not, i dont WANT to control it no more." And their desires to use, finally busts out of the restraints like a 400 lb dude on PCP bustin thru the fence on COPS, and then its game over.

But the person who never wanted more to begin with, they never had that urge that they had to keep in check.They aint got to consciously control or restrict wat they use, becuz its naturally regulated. They use and get high for a day and that satisfies them, its enough for them that they say, OK, that was good, now its done, on to the next.

Both of the users got the same outcome--they use, and then they dont use afterwards. But one of them got this urge , bubbling right under the surface, that they gotta somehow keep in check, wrestle it down and hope that they stay on top of it, and the other one is just chillin without nothing to worry about. So even tho they both got the same pattern of using, the mentality behind it is different, and that mentality seems to be the difference between ppl who can chip successfully and the ones who cant.

I hope that makes sense...
 
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