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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010
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I have been on sub for 3 days...4mg 2x a day...I was using 90mg oxy a day...Its the 4th and I wanna have one more good time..I have 90mg of oxy and I took 4mg sub 6 hours ago but like I said only 3 days I have been on it...Will I waste I take these? I just wanna know if I am too deep into subs...Personal expiernce advice please..Just sitting here waiting to light these fireworks!
Znegative
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WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW!! (or at least until you start to feel w/d)
while you haven't been taking suboxone for that long yet, you still have to consider the half life is very long. Some people get lucky and they can dose the next day after taking 16 mg. I myself have had times where I've used heroin the day after a 24 mg suboxone consumption, and got very high. But there have also been many, many times that I have wasted good drugs this way. OC's are pretty pricey, so I would want to make sure I got my money's worth. You also want to take into consideration that suboxone itself is a pretty potent drug, even though its only a partial agonist, so don't expect your tolerance to have dropped at all. If anything, it might have gone up. I'm not saying do way more OC than your usual dose, I'm just trying to emphasize that you should wait a bit longer, hopefully I'm not too late!
while you haven't been taking suboxone for that long yet, you still have to consider the half life is very long. Some people get lucky and they can dose the next day after taking 16 mg. I myself have had times where I've used heroin the day after a 24 mg suboxone consumption, and got very high. But there have also been many, many times that I have wasted good drugs this way. OC's are pretty pricey, so I would want to make sure I got my money's worth. You also want to take into consideration that suboxone itself is a pretty potent drug, even though its only a partial agonist, so don't expect your tolerance to have dropped at all. If anything, it might have gone up. I'm not saying do way more OC than your usual dose, I'm just trying to emphasize that you should wait a bit longer, hopefully I'm not too late!
Snugg
Bluelighter
Thanks man, I appreciate that honestly. I mean, my appointment is five days away, and I'm seriously having second thoughts on doing this. I know that's stupid, but man...
...I'm fucking terrified. I can't even lie. But, it's something I need to do. It's just scary as fuck. I'll shoot you a PM, though.
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HdoubleODeezy
Bluelighter
ive been back from my ban a few days ago but just wanted to say hi to the suboxone peeps.. i apologize if in my stupid rage a while ago i effected your BL experience and make it less than perfect.
for those who dont know: been on subs 3 years used to iv <1mg a day now i snort 2mg/daily.. figured i would post in one of my favorite threads. CH if you dont want this here i apologize once again and you can UA it without problems from me, i just thought it needed to be said. Thanks
for those who dont know: been on subs 3 years used to iv <1mg a day now i snort 2mg/daily.. figured i would post in one of my favorite threads. CH if you dont want this here i apologize once again and you can UA it without problems from me, i just thought it needed to be said. Thanks
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Welcome back. Are you happy with the intranasal ROA? Were you thinking of tapering or maintaining?
HdoubleODeezy
Bluelighter
yes i am happy with snorting it, thats how i was taking it before began to IV but im planning on just maintaining for now, got alot goin on with court for a BS OUI/DWI, i aint gonna get into it, ill keep it outta here. But i feel it would be too much to taper subs and k pins at the same time while staying focused on winning my case..
Thanks for the welcome back. %)
Captain.Heroin
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No doubt man, I just hit you back and popped on AIM.
HdoubleODeezy
Bluelighter
yeah at hearing they said i had oxycodone in my system from the drug test they gave me.. complete bull, i take my suboxone daily and it is good enough for me, it feels good to be clean (in some eyes being on subs isn't clean, but i think it is)
everyone on here who knows me knows i dont do oxys, my addiction was OC's but haven't taken it since june 11th 2007.. i remember the date cuz thats when i went to jail lol.
Captain.Heroin
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Yeah I haven't used heroin in over 20 months, and you've been off OC's longer than that. That's some bullshit they're trying to pull on you.
Drug tests are notoriously unreliable though so a good lawyer should be able to help you out.
I really do think being on Suboxone is being clean, because I have no opiate tolerance in essence. Plus it's not rewarding/reinforcing like heroin is IMO.
Good luck on staying clean that long though man, hope everything works out with you and the court and stuff, I really hate how horrible our judicial system is.
Znegative
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well, I took another stupid break from my suboxone yesterday, but this time I sank to new lows... a cotton shot!!! But the weird thing was, I got high, REAL high, not some placebo shit.
I just got up and dosed my regular dosage of suboxone, I.V, and my tolerance is still the same. It's weird I feel like when I switched back to subs last week, they didn't work at all for two days. Then on the third day I started to feel better, and by the fourth day I felt pretty all right. Now it's been 9 or so days, and it's like my tolerance has dropped pretty much back to where it was before I started screwing around with those pills.. I'm not complaining, it's a good thing, just kind of weird that it's working like that.
I just got up and dosed my regular dosage of suboxone, I.V, and my tolerance is still the same. It's weird I feel like when I switched back to subs last week, they didn't work at all for two days. Then on the third day I started to feel better, and by the fourth day I felt pretty all right. Now it's been 9 or so days, and it's like my tolerance has dropped pretty much back to where it was before I started screwing around with those pills.. I'm not complaining, it's a good thing, just kind of weird that it's working like that.
Hahaha, no I guess I was exaggerating, but I was taking a much smaller dose than I am now with way more good-feeling results. I notice now that I get a much better high when I wait as long as I can (4-6 hours) after waking up before I snort some. Thanks, I think I'll wait to run out of subs and then I'll probably max out at 2-3 days before I start the morphine. I don't know though, I might just stay on suboxone. I'll probably end up on heroin again if I don't and that's less manageable.
Snugg
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Good shit my brotha. Now we won't spam up this thread. You know, like I'm doing right now with this post.
So, to post something useful...
...See the price of suboxone/subutex in the sticky, is really annoying me. Especially cause I know that's what I'm going to be paying soon. FUCK. This shit is too goddamn expensive, seriously. FUCK YOU R&B, FUCK YOU!
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The thing is though, you don't have a limit on how many times you have you can pick up your script at the pharmacy. Depending on how much cash I have, I go to the pharmacy anywhere from once to three times a week to pick up my subs. I just pick up however many I have enough money for at the time. Cause I sure as hell don't have the cash to pay outright for my monthly scripts. But, even still it's a fraction of what I was paying for our habits, and I am sure it'll be cheaper for you as well.
Znegative
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The best way to save money on your sub script is to get over prescribed (16 mg a day), and then use only 1-2 mg (best way to do this is sniff or shoot)/ day
amblerg
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Bupe trouble
I have been on subutex on and off for years now, but recently I have encountered a problem that I have not had in the past. This past week it feels like the subutex isnt holding me like it used to. I feel like I'm shooting like every 6 hours sometimes. Granted, I am only shooting roughly 1-2.5 mg each time.
I cant figure it out. I dont get the horrible dysphoria, depression, and restless
legs Thank God! I do however get sweating and hot/cold sweats. It is bothersome. not unbearable, but still bothersome. The sweating can sometimes be noticed by others, which is annoying as well.
I cant understand why this is happening; I use only enough to get well and thats it. zero recreational value. Is my tolerance rising? this seems most likely.
I remember I would shoot a mg or two like a month ago and be good all day, maybe shoot a lil crumb of subutex before bed.
Now that I'm IVing like 5 times a day sometimes more, my veins are getting fucked. any advice appreciated!
I have been on subutex on and off for years now, but recently I have encountered a problem that I have not had in the past. This past week it feels like the subutex isnt holding me like it used to. I feel like I'm shooting like every 6 hours sometimes. Granted, I am only shooting roughly 1-2.5 mg each time.
I cant figure it out. I dont get the horrible dysphoria, depression, and restless
legs Thank God! I do however get sweating and hot/cold sweats. It is bothersome. not unbearable, but still bothersome. The sweating can sometimes be noticed by others, which is annoying as well.
I cant understand why this is happening; I use only enough to get well and thats it. zero recreational value. Is my tolerance rising? this seems most likely.
I remember I would shoot a mg or two like a month ago and be good all day, maybe shoot a lil crumb of subutex before bed.
Now that I'm IVing like 5 times a day sometimes more, my veins are getting fucked. any advice appreciated!
Captain.Heroin
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I think you should try lower doses, because the IV route is much more potent than other ROA's.
I would also advise micron filtering. It's ideal to do so because it helps your veins if you miss the shot at all (there is less for your body to remove, i.e. inactives).
Bojangles69
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It does sound like your tolerance is raising AND the speed at which your body metabolizes sub. I do believe over time your body becomes more efficient at ridding the drug from your body.
Although dosing just once a day with sub I never got sweats (never did it long term) and that was a large part of why I switched to it. I was originally tapering with pods but after 8-10 hours the hot flashes and cold chills start with me. I usually have to deal with it up untill I go to bed and hate it. Although I didn't have this issue on subs, I couldn't deal with the long half life and tapering as pods were much better in that respect.
I honestly don't think there is much you can do but raise the frequency you dose or take a percentage of your morning dose later in the day. This is one thing thats personally drove me crazy about opiates in general as it makes the habit unbearable eventually as your body becomes so fast at burning the drug you wind up spending more time in wds than actually high. Which is just another reason I'm trying to get clean from all this crap.
edit: what Captain H said too about lowering doses is spot on because there will be less a comedown and less rise in blood pressure when the half life starts wearing away. It works with pods as well just that the dose I have to get down to avoid 'hotflash rebounds' is almost nothing so it can be hard sometimes. Good luck!
Although dosing just once a day with sub I never got sweats (never did it long term) and that was a large part of why I switched to it. I was originally tapering with pods but after 8-10 hours the hot flashes and cold chills start with me. I usually have to deal with it up untill I go to bed and hate it. Although I didn't have this issue on subs, I couldn't deal with the long half life and tapering as pods were much better in that respect.
I honestly don't think there is much you can do but raise the frequency you dose or take a percentage of your morning dose later in the day. This is one thing thats personally drove me crazy about opiates in general as it makes the habit unbearable eventually as your body becomes so fast at burning the drug you wind up spending more time in wds than actually high. Which is just another reason I'm trying to get clean from all this crap.
edit: what Captain H said too about lowering doses is spot on because there will be less a comedown and less rise in blood pressure when the half life starts wearing away. It works with pods as well just that the dose I have to get down to avoid 'hotflash rebounds' is almost nothing so it can be hard sometimes. Good luck!
Znegative
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Yeah, I'm with Bojangles and Captain H. I find no matter what dose I I.V, it only holds me for about 6 hours max, and then I start to feel that feeling thats not quite sick, but like somethings off. If you lower your dosage, you'll save more sub, get better effect, and it'll hold you just as well. You might have to deal with a day or two of being uncomfortable but it's worth it, believe me.
What I would do is cut that 2 mg into four equal lines of roughly .5 mg each, and dose those 4x a day, or however many times you feel you need it. It seems like it's so small, but you got to remember that this is close to 100% BA when your banging it, so it's really equal to the effect of 2 mg sublingual/shot. If you want longer lasting effect though, I would switch to sniffing it honestly. I can sniff now probably only 1 1/2 mg and have it hold me through the day. I just choose to shoot because at the moment my life feels so empty that if I didn't have a solution to inject into my arm every 4/5 hours, I think I'd go crazy.
What I would do is cut that 2 mg into four equal lines of roughly .5 mg each, and dose those 4x a day, or however many times you feel you need it. It seems like it's so small, but you got to remember that this is close to 100% BA when your banging it, so it's really equal to the effect of 2 mg sublingual/shot. If you want longer lasting effect though, I would switch to sniffing it honestly. I can sniff now probably only 1 1/2 mg and have it hold me through the day. I just choose to shoot because at the moment my life feels so empty that if I didn't have a solution to inject into my arm every 4/5 hours, I think I'd go crazy.
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