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Corruption at St. Kilda Police Station, Narcotics Unit
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hyroller
Bluelighter
Wow such a valid point.
It's uninforceable, undetectable and not feasible to ever be prosecuted for without commiting an offence.
So how is it a crime? It's not even written in law except in the case of driveing a car or commiting an offense. Just like being drunk at home is legal, but being drunk in public is not.
I emplore you to show me proof of a prosecution for strictly drug use.
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
I have quoted myself to address this comment made by you sonic reality - "my main point in this thread was that ALL cops aren't cunts, as drug mentor seemed to be implying wiht his first post."
First I would like to point out, my first post in this thread addressed the OP and left any of my personal opinion out of the thread, the one I started bagging on cops was my second post. Furthermore, I fail to see where I implied ALL cops were cunts as you put it. Are you blind dude? I will quote myself again, "Obviously not all cops are like this, but it is my sincere belief that most are." So basically, if all you are arguing is that not all cops are cunts then I agreed with you from the outset. I believe a large percentage, if not an overwhelming majority, are cunts, and I might not be the most objective person on the issue or the most qualified to comment but I am entitled to my own opinion.
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internettoughguy
Bluelighter
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I have had minor encounters with the police and have had nothing but good experiences with them, in fact they have been much nicer then the general public when striking conversation with. But this in no way means that the Police are more polite then the public, because as we all know; you get good eggs and you get bad eggs. STOP GENERALIZING!
I'm curious, how is it against the law? Do you have any references or examples with evidence?
Aero said his facts with a few quotes from government websites to backup his claims, but you haven't, then you go and insult him with name calling which is highly uncalled for..
The first thing they teach you about writing essays at school is that YOU MUST BE ABLE TO BACKUP YOUR CLAIMS WITH SOURCED INFORMATION from a reputable source.
This leads me to ponder if you ever attended school.
The fact is: THE WORLD IS SQUARE!
Case Closed. I refuse to argue with a n00b.
See! It works with everything!
I'm curious, how is it against the law? Do you have any references or examples with evidence?
Aero said his facts with a few quotes from government websites to backup his claims, but you haven't, then you go and insult him with name calling which is highly uncalled for..
The first thing they teach you about writing essays at school is that YOU MUST BE ABLE TO BACKUP YOUR CLAIMS WITH SOURCED INFORMATION from a reputable source.
This leads me to ponder if you ever attended school.
The fact is: THE WORLD IS SQUARE!
Case Closed. I refuse to argue with a n00b.
See! It works with everything!
thestudent14
Bluelighter
Wow, I am 100% wrong it would seem.
This makes me sad... and very very confused.
NOW AERO LISTEN UP!
The Drugs, Poisons and Controlled Substances Act (DPCSA) includes these major drug offences: use, possession, cultivation, and trafficking.
Use includes smoking, inhaling of fumes, or otherwise introducing a drug of dependence, into a person's body (including another person's body). A drug is defined as a "drug of dependence" if listed as illegal except under prescribed conditions. Generally there is a lesser penalty for the use of cannabis compared to other drugs.
http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/druginfo/drugs/drug_laws
http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/druginfo/drugs/drug_laws
http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/druginfo/drugs/drug_laws
Same reference three times CASE CLOSED
Now please, when MrIbis says HE was charged with drug USE he probably knows his life better then you do.
Also as far as the one gram that matthew stokes was charged with trafficking because he was going to share it with a mate. They couldn't charge him with use, because he wasn't intoxicated with said substance.
Now that all this bullshit is out of the way, lets please get back on topic or close the thread. =)
Party safe
Wow, I am 100% wrong it would seem.
This makes me sad... and very very confused.
NOW AERO LISTEN UP!
The Drugs, Poisons and Controlled Substances Act (DPCSA) includes these major drug offences: use, possession, cultivation, and trafficking.
Use includes smoking, inhaling of fumes, or otherwise introducing a drug of dependence, into a person's body (including another person's body). A drug is defined as a "drug of dependence" if listed as illegal except under prescribed conditions. Generally there is a lesser penalty for the use of cannabis compared to other drugs.
http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/druginfo/drugs/drug_laws
http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/druginfo/drugs/drug_laws
http://www.druginfo.adf.org.au/druginfo/drugs/drug_laws
Same reference three times CASE CLOSED
Now please, when MrIbis says HE was charged with drug USE he probably knows his life better then you do.
Also as far as the one gram that matthew stokes was charged with trafficking because he was going to share it with a mate. They couldn't charge him with use, because he wasn't intoxicated with said substance.
Now that all this bullshit is out of the way, lets please get back on topic or close the thread. =)
Party safe
That's not a source whatsoever. What is the context of 'use'?
I'm asking for a solid case in the news or from anywhere where someone has been charged with just use.
It states use is the inhaling or administering of set drug right? But what that infers is 'in the act of' or 'intoxication'.
It doesn't say anywhere, on any government page that 'to have drugs in ones system is illegal'.
It's also impossible to prosecute as you need a court injunction to test blood and or urine.
Thus the law is an empty law; it only is ever enforced if one is in the act of a traffic offense or public intoxication.
If i take a pil in front of a police man/women, how can they arrest me for drug use?>>>>>>
With a.) blood sample
or b.) urine test.
These both require court injunctions to obtain - by which time set substance is out of my system. Thus how can this ever constitute a crime, if i cannot ever be charged for it???????
It's not a crime, they want you to believe it is, but any lawyer worth his salt would tell you no one has ever been prosecuted solely for consumption of a substance if they did so privately or within acceptable functional levels of intoxication.
thestudent14
Bluelighter
I understand what you're saying, but it is flawed.
I can't think of a media case off the top of my head, but more importantly the point still stands that it is Illegal.
Also if you took a pill in frongt of a policeman they will charge you with both drug possesession and drug use. If you tried to fight it saying it wasn't an illicit drug, and was a legal high you might pass. But it ultimately becomes your word against theirs.
As MrIbis has stated in the past and you have just reitterated, you're right to remain silent is your best friend, it makes it a hell of alot harder for for a policeman to prove use if you have used this right.
But it is still very much against the law, and they can and will prosecute you for it.
You're making it sound like we should just wave at cops as we digest illicit drugs, this is NOT HR and can easily cause harm to the lovely people here at bluelight.
I can't think of a media case off the top of my head, but more importantly the point still stands that it is Illegal.
Also if you took a pill in frongt of a policeman they will charge you with both drug possesession and drug use. If you tried to fight it saying it wasn't an illicit drug, and was a legal high you might pass. But it ultimately becomes your word against theirs.
As MrIbis has stated in the past and you have just reitterated, you're right to remain silent is your best friend, it makes it a hell of alot harder for for a policeman to prove use if you have used this right.
But it is still very much against the law, and they can and will prosecute you for it.
You're making it sound like we should just wave at cops as we digest illicit drugs, this is NOT HR and can easily cause harm to the lovely people here at bluelight.
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
Aero though man, the traffic tests are pretty much just an extention of the drug war. The law states they can't be in your system while you drive, not that you can't drive while intoxicated. I mean technically you have to be driving to be tested but you are definately being done for using drugs. They can hide behind the fact you are driving but tell me this, if you are not intoxicated then what is the relevance? It is just harder to pass random drug testing for everyone, atleast they can hide behind safety bullshit with drug testing drivers, don't be fooled it is just another way to fuck us drug users over.
I believe drug use is a crime, its just not one you are likely to be charged with because it is a lot of hassle to book someone when you have to give them drug tests and all sorts just to find out if they really are on drugs. Usually if you are on drugs they can get you for possession or something and if not it probably isn't worth the hassle the majority of the time, that is just common sense really.
I believe drug use is a crime, its just not one you are likely to be charged with because it is a lot of hassle to book someone when you have to give them drug tests and all sorts just to find out if they really are on drugs. Usually if you are on drugs they can get you for possession or something and if not it probably isn't worth the hassle the majority of the time, that is just common sense really.
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andyturbo
Bluelight Crew
Two things i will share, its still happening today, last weekend at a fridaynight /trance/hardstyle/psytrance club (im sure u all know the one) an undercover kept harrassing me for drugs. Watch out for this one! Solid build, bold head, was wearing runners.
Said his got a wallet full of cash, doesn't know anyone and wants anything that will fuck him up. When i didn't help him he kept harressing me, saw me chopping a line on the table and then i poured it onto the floor when he came over. He kept saying "whats that, get me stuff, come on mate help meout".. Started geting physical and grabing my face hard whenever he saw me going "i keep seeing you around" i fucked off and left.
Second story, About 6 months ago in a multiplex carpark in melbournes cbd, Our car was searched by drug task force detectives. They only found 3 joints thank god (as thats all we had of coourse And kept telling us to smoke it and light it up. After leaving i rang my mate who was futher up the carpark (higher level) And said they are coming up. Was too late, he had a 20ml bottle of G and was having a charge when they pulled up. He jumped out of the car and poured the G onto the ground. The cops (6 of them in a black tinted forester) then bashed him, kicked him on the ground twice in head so his face was swollon, and the acting sergent pulled his gun from his holster and held it to my mates head and said "If you going to fuck around i will have no hesitation too pull the trigger". They then asked if he needed an ambulance. 100% true story. Sorry to name locations, but its in the interest of hard reduction.. Be very carful doing any drugs in multiplex carparks around king street and flinders lane on fri and sat nights. The detectives that are now protrolling them are VERY dangerous and currupt as fuck. I really hope i dont get my door kicked in for this post..as they did take me details but i hope this warns people.
Said his got a wallet full of cash, doesn't know anyone and wants anything that will fuck him up. When i didn't help him he kept harressing me, saw me chopping a line on the table and then i poured it onto the floor when he came over. He kept saying "whats that, get me stuff, come on mate help meout".. Started geting physical and grabing my face hard whenever he saw me going "i keep seeing you around" i fucked off and left.
Second story, About 6 months ago in a multiplex carpark in melbournes cbd, Our car was searched by drug task force detectives. They only found 3 joints thank god (as thats all we had of coourse
And kept telling us to smoke it and light it up. After leaving i rang my mate who was futher up the carpark (higher level) And said they are coming up. Was too late, he had a 20ml bottle of G and was having a charge when they pulled up. He jumped out of the car and poured the G onto the ground. The cops (6 of them in a black tinted forester) then bashed him, kicked him on the ground twice in head so his face was swollon, and the acting sergent pulled his gun from his holster and held it to my mates head and said "If you going to fuck around i will have no hesitation too pull the trigger". They then asked if he needed an ambulance. 100% true story. Sorry to name locations, but its in the interest of hard reduction.. Be very carful doing any drugs in multiplex carparks around king street and flinders lane on fri and sat nights. The detectives that are now protrolling them are VERY dangerous and currupt as fuck. I really hope i dont get my door kicked in for this post..as they did take me details but i hope this warns people.
Busty St Clare
Ex-Bluelighter
A couple of weeks ago, taxi drivers had a "sit in" at Brisbane airport to protest against parking or some other lame shit. When a handful of police on bikes tried to shift them and clear the traffic they started complaining of abuse to the media and using the race card. In reality one Indian cabbie got a solid shove and told to move out of the way (which for those who lived in Brisbane during the Joh day's is actually a pretty tame response).
Fast forward to last Thursday night and there was a massive crack down on taxi drivers in the valley. Every cab was pulled over and, defect vehicles taken off the road, immigration officers were also there checking visa's (alot of student visa's have restrictions on hours worked and I doubt many cabbies work less than 20 hours a week0. Even last night as I drove home I spotted a taxi driver having his papers checked on the side of the road.
The point of my rant is police do a thankless, shit job. Their powers of authority have been eroded over the past 20 years as corruption and abuse of power has been become less socially accepted. But don't fuck with them. There are a thousand pointless laws that are generally allowed to slide (drug use is one of them) but give a copper enough grief and it will be use against you. Plenty of people bend the laws every day and so long as you are not a public nuisance the police will generally show some restraint.
Fast forward to last Thursday night and there was a massive crack down on taxi drivers in the valley. Every cab was pulled over and, defect vehicles taken off the road, immigration officers were also there checking visa's (alot of student visa's have restrictions on hours worked and I doubt many cabbies work less than 20 hours a week0. Even last night as I drove home I spotted a taxi driver having his papers checked on the side of the road.
The point of my rant is police do a thankless, shit job. Their powers of authority have been eroded over the past 20 years as corruption and abuse of power has been become less socially accepted. But don't fuck with them. There are a thousand pointless laws that are generally allowed to slide (drug use is one of them) but give a copper enough grief and it will be use against you. Plenty of people bend the laws every day and so long as you are not a public nuisance the police will generally show some restraint.
Dude they gotta have the evidence; now if they stitch you up yeh your screwed. But yeh don't flaunt it, it was just an example. My argument is that it's an unenforceable concept, and i doubt that it's a law other than what it says on the government website as no media cases exist in regards to it.
baby boy
Bluelighter
Yeh DM they use that as an excuse allot to get people on drug charges. If someone committed a drug related driving offense best to flee the scene Ben cousins style, let anything leave your system then come back for punishment.
hyroller
Bluelighter
If you think I don't know who you are (even under your crappy pseudonym), you're very wrong. FWIW I liked your old username better 8)
if drug use were perfectly legal then the world would be a bowl of cherries, wouldn't it.
the fact is I can't be bothered expending the energy arguing my point and would prefer to keep you in your blissfully ignorant state, as I think it would be highly amusing if ill-informed ignoramuses (such as you) had brushes with the law, as a result of their dismissive attitudes
