Corruption at St. Kilda Police Station, Narcotics Unit

[hyroller]

This is one of the best posts I have seen for some time on BL :D

I got physically assaulted by two bent police at St Kilda police station, IMHO every single officer working there is nothing but a dirty dog. even the cop shop itself is dingey. I hope someone takes the initiative to burn it to the ground one day

very well executed on your part, the scene needs more clued in peeps who can beat these fucks at their own. informants make me sick

 

[psytaco]

the few times I have had to talk to the police they have been pretty decent. i think if you are polite and treat them respectfully, you will (in most circumstances) get treated fairly.

Drug mentor: I think pretty much every police officer would work a case alot harder if it involves a serious crime like rape, compared to drug possession or speeding. the reason they seem to always be dealing with minor crime, and because those are the crimes you see them dealing when your out and about, is because these crimes are committed so frequently, and by the majoirty of the population.

 

[aero]

I think the Pro-criminal element of these forums is horrible. Drug takeing is not synonomous with anti authority or anti police sentiment. I'd like to represent the informed educated drug user, who is not against the police or pro crime, and i'd hope there would be a majority of like minded people here.

Lets please understand that the police while not 100% honest do risk there lives everyday in the service to society. We can't generalise and call all the police 'pigs'; thats pro-criminality, inherent to scumbags IMO.

 

[sonic_reality]

I think the Pro-criminal element of these forums is horrible. Drug takeing is not synonomous with anti authority or anti police sentiment. I'd like to represent the informed educated drug user, who is not against the police or pro crime, and i'd hope there would be a majority of like minded people here.

Lets please understand that the police while not 100% honest do risk there lives everyday in the service to society. We can't generalise and call all the police 'pigs'; thats pro-criminality, inherent to scumbags IMO.

very well said... that's exactly what i was trying to get across, but in alot less words(hehe sometimes i tend to ramble)! i don't personally view drugs as a crime requiring law, but i certainly view most things that are illegal as a crime, or at least dangerous enough to enforce a law(such as drink driving or speeding). but unforuntely the current reality for me and you, is that drug taking currently is a crime, and the police will enforce it!

we can't say we want the police to catch rapists and murderers, but in the same breath call them assholes for catching people with illegal drugs. you cannot have it both ways! they either catch people who are breaking the laws, or they don't!! imagine a world where you could just kill someone because they pissed you off... well, there wouldn't be very many people left would there!!

until drug users treat police with the respect that they deserve for doing their daily job of enforcing the laws that actually hold our society together and keep it from falling into complete chaos and anarchy, then their views on people who take drugs are NEVER going to change!

oh... and sorry for derailing the thread. i will admit that yes, there are corrupt police out there that will take advantage of their position, such as the experience that Unlucky has had with them. but claiming that all or most of the police force are like this, is not true and can only do damage(in the eyes of the police and law makers) to the cause of making drugs legal!

 

[L3inad]

I think the Pro-criminal element of these forums is horrible. Drug takeing is not synonomous with anti authority or anti police sentiment. I'd like to represent the informed educated drug user, who is not against the police or pro crime, and i'd hope there would be a majority of like minded people here.

Lets please understand that the police while not 100% honest do risk there lives everyday in the service to society. We can't generalise and call all the police 'pigs'; thats pro-criminality, inherent to scumbags IMO.

I'd like to think that bluelighters in general appreciate and respect the work of law enforcement.

However, in terms of drug related offences police officers have been known to use outright illegal an un-ethical methods to supposedly protect us.

Fair enough, we break the law, we pay the price. But thats not to say that the laws are highly flawed in a public safety point of view and have no place in a civilised and supposedly "free" country that I like to call my own.

I for one feel comforted by police presence on the streets and think that on the whole they do tend to do the right thing. But some of the stories mentioned here on bl and that of personal experience suggest that corruption is rife and illegal methods are used reguarily.

It is my point of view that I should be free to do as I wish providing it doesnt effect the well being of others. The law may not reflect this, which I can get past but if the system designed to protect us breaks the law in an attempt to arrest me then I have very little faith or respect for our boys in blue.

I consider myself to be a very good person and one that try's to make the world a better place, I'm a respectable member of society and feel that I shouldnt have to be harrassed in an downright illegal manner by law enforement officials who are meant to be protecting me, not breaking the law themselves in order to make arrests that for most people (myself especially) would ruin life as they know it, possibly permanatly.

That IS NOT justice.

 

[drug_mentor]

8)
do you not realise that there are specialised units to catch those rapists, murderers and kiddie touchers that you talk about?! it is not the every day street cops' job to find those people, it is a detectives job. it is the every day street cops job to patrol the streets, looking for all the minor offences that the detectives are not looking for! if they happen to come across a murderer/rapist/paedophile, then they will arrest them. but the every day street cops job is not to find those people, it is to enforce ALL laws, including the drug and alcohol laws!

i ask you drug mentor(and please, don't give me some stupid smart assed remark that seems to be the norm here on bluelight when someone actually says they respect police, please give me an honest answer)... in all honesty, if you or your partner was raped, if someone you know was murdered, if you were injured by a drunk driver or if your child was molested... who would you be calling, and who would you expect to help you?! that's right, the police! and if they found the person that did it(which they do actually do quite often... omg who would have thunk that the cops actually catch people for stuff other than drugs ), what would your opinion of the police be then? would you still call them pigs? would you still claim they they are all assholes that are out to get you?!

i have had many run-ins with the police,... but because i actually respect them for the job that they do, and realise that they are actually pulling me up because i've broken the law(which people seem to forget, is what their job is), i have never had a bad experience. yeh sure, i have been busted with pot, i have been busted shoplifting, i have been busted going in excess of 35kph over the speed limit... but because i didn't think of them as "fukn piggers the scourge of the earth" and admitted i had done wrong by the law, they were actually really nice to me and let me off quite lightly considering what i was caught with. i didn't even lose any points for that 35kph over the limit traffic offense, and only copped a $50 fine!

if you believe the cops are all fukn pigs and are out to get you... then they will be fukn pigs and will be out to get you, and they will treat you accordingly. i know that if i was a cop and someone was making it quite obvious that they thought i was scum.... i would bust them for everything that i could!!!

and before anyone says anything... yes i too have lots of reasons to fear the police, and i do fear them. but i also respect them for what they do, and i treat them with respect and without contempt. i cannot expect them to be any softer on me than anyone else who has broken the law(no matter how much i don't agree with some of the laws they enforce)... be it someone jaywalking, public urination, drink driving, drug possession, rape or murder. in their eyes, every one of those things is an offense against the law, and they will enforce them to the fullest extent!!

plus, i'm sure it does not look good for bluelight when someone with the name drug mentor with "bluelight crew" written under their name publicly calls the cops pigs, scumbags, selfish and adrenaline junkie fuckheads! because we all know that the police and media monitor this site, and they sure as hell would monitor a thread entitled "Police Corruption at St Kilda Police Station, Narcotics unit"!! yeh man.... you're really helping to change the authorities view on people who take drugs 8) because all they have copped so far is the same shit that you just dished out. and why should they change their stance on drug takers, when the majority of them view the cops as scumbags, just because they don't want to get caught with drugs!! i bet if there was no drugs around(or if drugs were legal), then everyone on here would not have a problem with the police. it is only your fear of being caught that makes you view them as "adrenaline junkie fuckhead scumbag pigs"!!

In regards to .06, I guess they do have to draw the line somewhere but if someone is that tiny fraction over and obviously not impaired it is pretty cunty to get them and honestly its revenue raising. They don't give a fuck a person might lose their job over not being able to drive and their families might suffer. It is also pretty shit to think on one side of the country this is perfectly legal but on the other enough to lose you licence, pay a large fine and be ostracised for being a drunk. I admit this is more an issue of law and cops have little discretion due to technology used to administer breath tests so it wasn't a great example.

Regardless if they have specialist units to get murderers and rapists and shit there is plenty of other real crimes to go bust, but surprise surprise not one of the 3 times I got burgled did they catch ANYONE because its too much effort. It isn't too much effort to go stand out the front of a festival with a sniffer dog.

I am aware they are there to enforce the laws but you act like they have no fucking discretion when in reality they can exercise plenty. The fact is they fuck up peoples lives to elevate themselves and at this point I admit cops are a neccessary evil. Take away their power to enforce these bullshit laws and yes it would be an improvement, it is still my experience they are gung ho pricks on a power trip. Obviously I haven't met every cop in the state or country, and you know once I actually met one who was alright but my general experience says the majority are right cunts.

I am also pretty sick of hearing "oh, it's just their job" if we lived in communist North Korea where your job was fucking picked out for you or something that argument holds water. Last I checked they got to pick what they wanted to do for a crust, so how is their job requirments a magic excuse?

You say why should they change their perception of drug users if ours wont change of them? My answer would be they actively persecute drug users, drug users avoid coppers like the fucking plague. We have plenty reason to dislike them, why would they dislike us? Half of them wouldn't even have jobs if they couldn't arrest us.

One thing that really shits me in your post is this "if i was a cop and someone was making it quite obvious that they thought i was scum.... i would bust them for everything that i could!!!" Cops are actually supposed to remain objective and how well they do their job should NOT be influenced in ANY way by their feelings towards the person they are investigating. They are sworn to uphold the law, not persecute those who dislike so called officers of the law. Cops do deal with hard situations, you know if someone spat in my face I would punch them square in the mouth more than likely, I would expect better from a copper whilst wearing the uniform, why? Because they are supposed to be officers upholding the law, but I know of far too many cases where they let their own bias cloud their judgement and break the law. Then it turns into a situation where they are breaking the law in the name of upholding it and all your ideals go out the window. I mean sure you can argue that drugs are against the law, but so is belting s suspect whether he is a piece of shit or not. Funny how they pick and choose the laws which matter isn't it? Shit I see so many cop cars speeding and run red lights because they think they are above the law but how quick do you think they would book me for the same?

I don't see it as my job to sugar coat my opinion of police to suit bluelights image. It is a public forum and I am entitled to post my opinion here. I think I have posted a lot of valuable shit here over the years, I don't generally break the rules and I put in a stint modding which most don't bother. So you can end your little guilt trip or whatever the fuck you are trying to say right there. I don't intentionally damage my reputation or that of bluelights, but you can bet I will put forth my true opinion on an issue. I hope you are right about coppers reading this thread, hopefully something I (or anyone else for that matter) wrote inspires atleast one of them to stop being such cunts and treating drug users like we are sub human.

 

[thestudent14]

I have no problems with most cops.

For me personally it just varies cop to cop, some are rude for no reason and seem to think all teens are out to make trouble, but then there's the other ones who let people off with warnings.


However I do whole heartadly wish cops wouldn't go inside clubs, cops deal with the streets, let bouncers enforce inside the clubs. I've been busted taking pills at a club before by a bouncer. Me and my mate were taken to this room out the back of the club. It was like a big white empty room... perfect for interrogations. However the bouncers were polite, reasonable. They took the rest of our gear, gave us a firm warning. And told us that if they saw us do anything out of line over the rest of the night then they would bring in the cops.
But provided we just had a good time and didn't bother anyone or take anymore drugs we would be fine.

This worked perfectly, as a result we had the last of our speed taken from us. We weren't angry at the bouncers, we didn't cause any trouble, and we stayed all night and didn't harm anyone.

If a cop had of been involved I'd now be left with a permanent record, probably be kicked out of home and not be able to continue in my uni course.

So yeah... I say let cops enforce the streets, let the bouncers do THEIR job and police whats going on inside the clubs.

 

[Crankinit]

very well said... that's exactly what i was trying to get across, but in alot less words(hehe sometimes i tend to ramble)! i don't personally view drugs as a crime requiring law, but i certainly view most things that are illegal as a crime, or at least dangerous enough to enforce a law(such as drink driving or speeding). but unforuntely the current reality for me and you, is that drug taking currently is a crime, and the police will enforce it!

we can't say we want the police to catch rapists and murderers, but in the same breath call them assholes for catching people with illegal drugs. you cannot have it both ways! they either catch people who are breaking the laws, or they don't!! imagine a world where you could just kill someone because they pissed you off... well, there wouldn't be very many people left would there!!

until drug users treat police with the respect that they deserve for doing their daily job of enforcing the laws that actually hold our society together and keep it from falling into complete chaos and anarchy, then their views on people who take drugs are NEVER going to change!

oh... and sorry for derailing the thread. i will admit that yes, there are corrupt police out there that will take advantage of their position, such as the experience that Unlucky has had with them. but claiming that all or most of the police force are like this, is not true and can only do damage(in the eyes of the police and law makers) to the cause of making drugs legal!

Respect where respect is due. I lost my respect for the police after multiple encounters which varied from rude, abrasive and abusive to downright corrupt. I've 'never' had an experience with the police where they've tried to be polite or use a minimum of intimidation or aggression, they always go over the line, always assume the worst and always do whatever they have to to prove it.

At least in my experience. And how else are we supposed to judge these things?

 

[thestudent14]

honestly its revenue raising.

I agree with most of your post, but I guarentee you it's not revenue raising when it comes to people drink driving and speeding.

It's fuck all they make from it, can't remember the exact amount but for 09 in the UK it was like 22mill for the whole year. Which is seriously fuck all once you take into account all the cash to run the camera's + drug/booze bus's etc.

And Aus has a similar setup to the UK in reguards to the amount of camera's booze bus's. As it is something they have trying to crack down on over the last decade.

So yeah, it's a really wide spread rumour that it's for revenue raising, it raises fuck all revenue.

 

[footscrazy]

Respect where respect is due. I lost my respect for the police after multiple encounters which varied from rude, abrasive and abusive to downright corrupt. I've 'never' had an experience with the police where they've tried to be polite or use a minimum of intimidation or aggression, they always go over the line, always assume the worst and always do whatever they have to to prove it.

At least in my experience. And how else are we supposed to judge these things?

Exactly. I've never been charged with anything and yet I've dealt with cops who were just plain cunts for no reason, including being called a prostitute (the cop went on to say he was just being 'polite' 8)') as well as being thrown out of the way by a big male cop at my door who didn't even have a search warrant. These things happened before I even had a chance to say anything, and I wasn't doing anything wrong. I could turn this post around -

until drug users treat police with the respect that they deserve for doing their daily job of enforcing the laws that actually hold our society together and keep it from falling into complete chaos and anarchy, then their views on people who take drugs are NEVER going to change!

and say equally, until cops start treating PEOPLE with the respect they deserve OUR view of them is NEVER going to change!

However I do whole heartadly wish cops wouldn't go inside clubs, cops deal with the streets, let bouncers enforce inside the clubs. I've been busted taking pills at a club before by a bouncer. Me and my mate were taken to this room out the back of the club. It was like a big white empty room... perfect for interrogations. However the bouncers were polite, reasonable. They took the rest of our gear, gave us a firm warning. And told us that if they saw us do anything out of line over the rest of the night then they would bring in the cops.

No doubt there were some high bouncers that night

 

[drug_mentor]

and say equally, until cops start treating PEOPLE with the respect they deserve OUR view of them is NEVER going to change!
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Bang on!

Student it is interesting you think they don't make much from speeding fines and stuff. Maybe you are right. I think you are probably right about booze buses. However for the cost of sitting a car on the side of the road with a camera and how many people they dick doing that I do not believe for one second they are not profiteering hugely from that.

 

[bustabraincell]

so are you police?sonic reality?

 

[sonic_reality]

haha well seeing as tho i have over 600 posts and have been a member of bluelight since 2002, no, i am not a cop. are you?! interesting that when someone has a view of the police that is different to the norm on bluelight, they instantly get branded as a cop!! i've seen it time and time again on here!!8)

and drug mentor... you say i act like they have no discretion?! well if you had of read my post properly, you would have noticed that i said i have been busted numerous times for numerous things. such as the driving offense for example. over 35kph over the speed limit, on new years eve, double demerits AND double the fine(stupid WA double everything trials a few years back). but because i actually admitted that i had done wrong and was willing to face the consequences, the cop used his "discretion" and only gave me a $50 fine for some rusty spots on my car. he had to fine me for something, as it has already been reported back to base that he had pulled me over for a traffic offense. but i think a $50 fine and a warning about rust spots is alot better than 6+ demerit points(which would have meant my license gone) and an $800+ fine. if that isn't a cop using his discretion, and deciding to not completely fuck me over(because i was nice to him, he even admitted it!), then i don't know what is! and this is not the first time i have been let off lightly because i was actually nice and co-operated with the police... and no, co-operation doesn't mean i dogged on someone!

oh and i have also been broken into 3 times.... and guess what, they caught the people that did it every time! maybe luck, or maybe because i have good karma with the police. who knows?! but you're argument is flawed, because just because your break-in didn't get solved, doesn't mean that none of them do!!

and with regards to my "i'd bust them for as much as i could" comment... think of it from the cops point of view. someone is being a complete wanker to you, just because you pulled them up about something small. you start to ask yourself, why is this person being a wanker towards me, i only pulled him up over a minor offense. hmm this dude is still being a wanker... well, he's obviously got something to hide, i'm gonna search him. oh wow, who would have thought, the dude being a complete wanker to me has a stick in his pocket. hmmm if only he had of been nice to me and just taken the minor offense on the chin, i wouldn't have been so offended by the way he was talking to me, and i wouldn't have searched him! meanwhile the dude that they pulled up 10 minutes before over another minor offense was the nicest guy in the world, so they let him off with a small fine for the offense and sent him on his way, all the while not knowing that he had a pound of marijuana in his boot!!

i have just as much to fear from the police as any of you, if not a helluva lot more. but i am not dumb enough to write them off completely, because i know that one day i will probably need their assistance and i will be grateful that they are there!

 

[footscrazy]

and drug mentor... you say i act like they have no discretion?! well if you had of read my post properly, you would have noticed that i said i have been busted numerous times for numerous things. such as the driving offense for example. over 35kph over the speed limit, on new years eve, double demerits AND double the fine(stupid WA double everything trials a few years back). but because i actually admitted that i had done wrong and was willing to face the consequences, the cop used his "discretion" and only gave me a $50 fine for some rusty spots on my car. he had to fine me for something, as it has already been reported back to base that he had pulled me over for a traffic offense. but i think a $50 fine and a warning about rust spots is alot better than 6+ demerit points(which would have meant my license gone) and an $800+ fine. if that isn't a cop using his discretion, and deciding to not completely fuck me over(because i was nice to him, he even admitted it!), then i don't know what is! and this is not the first time i have been let off lightly because i was actually nice and co-operated with the police... and no, co-operation doesn't mean i dogged on someone!

You're using your experience with being nice, and getting off, as evidence that cops aren't cunts. In exactly the same way, I and others are using our experience of cops being cunts for no reason as evidence that cops are cunts. Why do you think your personal experience speaks anymore about the true nature of cops than mine?

 

[drug_mentor]

You're "I would bust them for as much as I could comment" implied a vendetta against said person that would have you doing your job more dilligently with individuals you had a specific problem with, or probably more accurately had a specific problem with you, don't try and backpedal on that now mate.

I never said just because my burglaries weren't solved that most weren't, I never said most weren't at all. Although funnily enough more than one of the cops on different occassions said the majority weren't solved. Sure burglaries are a hard thing to solve but the truth is they are NOT putting the same effort into this sort of shit as they are busting people for stupid things and if you think otherwise you are kidding yourself.

In regards to the discretion, I am confused by your justification of how it's just their job to book drug users if they can let you off with that. Surely then, if they can let you off for that crime they could let drug users off and the letter of the law doesn't completely excuse them for the lives they are ruining. The truth is they should feel fucking shit in general about the crappy job they are doing, if they have ever booked someone for drugs they have placed a huge hinderance on someones life. The law and their job description might say thats OK, but to me that shit is as immoral whether you are allowed or you ain't.

I know we need coppers and never did I say anything different, and I don't have an anti authority attitude on shit that it is justified to have authority but someone else governing my body is a JOKE! People asking if you were a cop was clearly a joke, I doubt any LEO's on here would flag themselves in a thread like this. I haven't wrote the pigs off completely either, and if I needed them you can bet I would fucking use them. The fact is they make it their business to persecute my fellow drug users and I for nothing more than enjoying ourselves, I don't see why I owe them one iota of respect when maybe 2 or 3 out of the many I have dealt with showed me any.

 

[sonic_reality]

You're using your experience with being nice, and getting off, as evidence that cops aren't cunts. In exactly the same way, I and others are using our experience of cops being cunts for no reason as evidence that cops are cunts. Why do you think your personal experience speaks anymore about the true nature of cops than mine?

I don't... my main point in this thread was that ALL cops aren't cunts, as drug mentor seemed to be implying wiht his first post. i have heard numerous times people call a cop that is walking past a pig, when all that cop did was walk past. to me that is just like racism. you wouldn't call an aboriginal who was just walking past you a nigger/coon, or chances are you'll get the shit kicked out of you. aboriginal was just an example, the same could be said for a bogan. if you call him a bogan just for walking past you, then chances are he will kick the shit out of you, or at least get in your face about it!

i don't know why i have been so lucky with the police, maybe it is just luck, or maybe it is something more, who knows.... but seeing as tho i have had them let me off numerous times for different offences that should have landed me with a lengthy record by now, i can only assume that the cops are less likely to want to completely screw over someone who has admitted they did wrong by the laws and is willing to face the consequences, as opposed to the dude who abuses them and calls/thinks of them scumbag pigs because they found a stick on him and he doesn't believe that he should be charged for it!!

and drug mentor... once again on the discretion thing. i'll quickly use another example. i have been busted with pot, more than once. and not small amounts either. both times, because i co-opertaed fully with them, they used their "discretion" and let me go with a warning, when they very well could have given me a record for the rest of my life, escpecially after busting me more than once.

i spose what i have been trying to say is... that if you change your perspective even slightly on the police, next time you have an encounter with them, they might not be such assholes to you! you don't have to praise them as being the saviours of the earth, but you also don't need to call them fukn piggers all the time either!!

 

[ooh.shiny]

The fact is they make it their business to persecute my fellow drug users and I for nothing more than enjoying ourselves, I don't see why I owe them one iota of respect when maybe 2 or 3 out of the many I have dealt with showed me any.

While most drug users feel that all they're doing is enjoying themselves, it is still against the law... unless you're in Portugal. So, until Australia adopts the same system as Portugal and fines drug users and sends them to get help instead of charging them, enjoying yourself is still against the law.

Personal drug use should be a social issue, not a legal one, but we are so, so far away from that. The Greens' policy (safe injecting rooms and decriminalising personal drug use) is considered controversial. It sucks that things won't change any time soon.

 

[L3inad]

This is turning into a have a hack thread. Were not solving any issues here, get over your differances and start discussing corruption.

@sonic. Yes, not all cops are cunts, some are very co-operative and friendly, however it is blatantly obvious that corruption exists and is rife in places. If they wont play by the book then why the hell should we? The police break the law as a matter of routine these days and I personally have made complaints and have had an investigation take place into the conduct of a Sergant regarding a roadside offence (or lack there of, dickhead thought he could sting me for speeding without a radar. Seriously, why?) If they use illegal and un-ethical means to try and protect us from the "evils" of drugs how on earth do they expect us to pay them a high level of respect?

@DM
Again, not all cops are idiots. But in my experience the police force does tend to attract a rather high amount of power tripping wankers to its ranks as an easy step up in the world. The police do do good things, but they could do a hellova lot more good things and to a level of efficiency where I'd actually trust them with a task if they were to leave the harmless drug users alone to do as they wish, were not hurting anyone. Police recources are better spent catching real criminals. Putting people in jail for taking control of their bodies is not a worthwhile avenue for commiting valuable and limited police resources.

I think I summed up the thread rather well there, can we agree on a middle ground? lol

 

[MrIbis]

aero: Drug use is CRIMINAL so where do we, as criminals draw the line for our government and peers that we're being persecuted for a pretty much victimless crime? Whilst they murder hundreds of thousands by selling tobacco and alcohol for tax gains - just because thats considered socially acceptable?

 

[belarki]

Interesting read, thanks for the post unlucky