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The 6-APB (that may be 6-APDB but probably isn't) Train Wreck of a Thread

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Solipsis said:
Yeah and that's whats worrying me, there are more and more funny looking new compounds developed with minor variations and similar names and it sounds like they are being samples by people who often don't own a scale and/or don't understand chemistry at all.

Is it just me or is that like an escalation of chemicals being 'researched' while there is more and more confusion about chemical nomenclature, (sometimes idiotic) street names to attempt to support use for the less chemically-inclined... in other words I get how people can try stuff from TIHKAL and PIHKAL and have a little guideline with not too complex substitutions but this is turning into something else.
Very exotic substitutions and heterocyclic structures, confusing conformations...

I really want to urge people that want to experiment with research chemicals to start with the better explored and explained older compounds and work their way up to the almost unknown ones!

Sorry if the super new ones are the only ones easily available to you but I heard scoobysnacks saying he has a wife and kids and he doesn't want to leave them fatherless - well get your priorities straight then.
If you don't want to have major medical emergencies with compounds there is little info on, learn enough about chemistry and how to carefully titrate your doses up using a scale and so forth.
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yeh thats why i posted asking for info on doses etc, i am not ordering now,i will wait, im sorry if i came across as careless, all i want is a change from work/boys/life for just one night and get a mdma type high which i never do these days, but i now can see this attitude is dangerous.

/me sticks tO his trusty blueberry:D
 
How about all the Apdb was seized by customs and so the manufacturer/distributor changed their tune and introduced the apb instead under the same brand name. Seems odd that all these companies thought it was Apdb with arrival time of mid May and now it is a month later and a different chemical. I used to import stuff from China by sea and by air. There is no doubt that all of this is coming in by air probably EMS which takes 5 days at the most and they would have known when it was ready to ship. It will certainly be interesting to see how all of this shakes out.
 
Hey all, new member here (not a vendor, not an anti drugs person, just someone who's been watching these threads very eagerly to get a replacement social RC).

I just wanted to say how impressive it is that the things that happen on this forum DO seem to affect the vendors and their sites. It's interesting. And I'm another one in the line of people waiting to try this 6-AP... uh, whatever it's being called now, so as thanks for all the info i've read on here, I'll do a trip report myself whenever the hell it is available to buy.
 
caballero said:
Apparently not for the 6-APDB or whatever you want to call it. From what i've been told it is only being made by one lab in China and wholesaled by one wholesaler in the UK who will only supply to certain trustworthy websites, which means it will be hard to get in big amounts. The reasoning for this i'm told is to try and avoid the big mess that happened with Mephedrone where every man and his dog were selling it with no ethics involved at all...
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Im sorry but that is just.. so wrong on so many levels..


Only one lab in china making chemicals. Il believe that when.. there in nuclear war.
 
Hi!
So if 6-APDB is 4-Desoxy-MDA then we should not get our hopes up of getting 4-Desoxy-MDA because what we thought was 6-APDB/4-Desoxy-MDA is actually 6-APB....Am I right? I'm sooo confused. Is 6-APB also referred to as an MDA analog? or no?

I have been waiting for today to order some( like I'm sure alot of you were) and I'm just so let down, but thank you to all on this thread that have unknowingly kept me informed
 
This is as clear as the Yellow river is reputed to be - it's one thing then another but the thing it turns into is definitely legal whereas the other ( and more preferable one by all accounts) might not be legal - FFS will someone test this stuff so we know precisely what it is.
 
HAYS GUYS I CAME HERE TO ASK ABOUT 6APDPGSABPSABENOZ

no I just wanted to thank whoever renamed the thread title. Very apt. :)
 
nuke said:
I'm not even sure you'd have to go to GC/MS since we know it's probably one of two compounds, probably just proton NMR in CDCl4. I think the benzofuranyl moiety should show up as a broad multiplet around delta 7.1-7.7.
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The only part of that I fully understand is "PROBABLY one of two compounds". The Chinese lab or labs could ship any of a number of things and they would almost certainly be resold untested. That said I'm kind of curious to try 6APwhatever.=D
 
nuke said:
I'm not even sure you'd have to go to GC/MS since we know it's probably one of two compounds, probably just proton NMR in CDCl3. I think the benzofuranyl moiety should show up as a broad multiplet around delta 7.1-7.7 with the correct number of hydrogens

Should probably look something like this:
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I absolutely believe you :D
 
yetanotherforum said:
total mayhem. anyone care to condense this thread into one post?

We started with BF (i refuse to type that name)
Then we thought it was 6-APDB
Now we think it's 6-APB.

What did GZero and Skyline GTR try?
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From my understanding skyline GTR and GZero know each other and both also know, trust and are in touch with the Vendor. Now if one were a skeptical and philosophical cove and one were to apply Occam's Razor to this threesome one would be left with GZero and Skyline GTR being the vendor.

Then the answer to your question would be that they tried to shill this forum.
 
gannetsarewe said:
From my understanding skyline GTR and GZero know each other and both also know, trust and are in touch with the Vendor. Now if one were a skeptical and philosophical cove and one were to apply Occam's Razor to this threesome one would be left with GZero and Skyline GTR being the vendor.

Then the answer to your question would be that they tried to shill this forum.
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Skyline GTR has several thousand posts and has been here for almost 8 years. If he was a vendor and/or a shill we'd probably have noticed a long time ago. Now, if you wanted to properly use Occam's Razor on the problem rather than use it to justify some nasty inductive reasoning you'd conclude that the mess is because vendors are notorious for being sloppy.
 
The Smoking Man said:
Skyline GTR has several thousand posts and has been here for almost 8 years. If he was a vendor and/or a shill we'd probably have noticed a long time ago. Now, if you wanted to properly use Occam's Razor on the problem rather than use it to justify some nasty inductive reasoning you'd conclude that the mess is because vendors are notorious for being sloppy.
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I have not said he is a Shill, I have said a skeptic may think him one. He has said he knows the vendor and on the basis of the axiom "The closer to church the further from God" his contributions on this issue must be consumed with salt. I mean here we are pages and pages of discussion in two threads and for once it can be truly said that nobody knows what they are talking about. Also to point out a flaw in your reasoning and not to accuse Skyline GTR of anything, a person may post for years and not be a vendor but there is nothing to stop them then becoming a vendor.

The only conclusions I have made about this thread, is that is sucks.
 
For the avoidance of doubt, the vendor of "benzo fury" is catagorically a THIRD PARTY to myself and Gzero.

I "know" GZero from MSN, I was introduced to him by a respected BLer on MSN as we all had an interest in RCs and liked to chat about such things.

Subsequently GZero introduced me to a guy who was the vendor of "Benzo Fury", again on MSN, who I knew by reputation, or rather I knew his website by reputation as it was one of the more prominent UK mephedrone websites prior to the ban. The vendor mentioned that he was going to be supplying this compound and was anticipating his first sample stock to arrive any day.

You can only imagine the sub second time delay before me and GZero near simultaneously typed "I'll be willing to try that, can you send me a sample?!", as I suspect many would in that situation, albeit potentially risky as ultimately you have no idea what they're going to send you and whether its safe.

And that's how it happened. Yes there has been and is a lot of confusion which is causing scepticism (especially after the latest post from f&b, I'm confused too now) about the whole issue of what the exact compound is, but I reported my experience of the compound that was sent to me 100% accurately.
 
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