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re jolly green granules (nice to know the giant gets a break from the day job) they're ok. they're not like meph but nothing is (especially dimethocaine, i've had more fun snorting paracetemol) and for me at least, they give me a nice kind of clarity, more an altered-state than feeling properly "high". i've only taken them at quite small doses so far to see how it went, though, and i'm quite intrigued to see what it's like doing more of it in one go.
fastandbulbous
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Nope, they have to send itr to a forensic centre like the one at Weatherby. The GCMS there will tell them it's not MDA or anything else controlled (at the moment)
No I based my opinion on the Nicols research paper which gave Ki values etc and reckoned a couple of years ago that this particular chem would do a good impersonation of MdA. as to the toxicology, that's anybody's guess
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But do you have any idea what it is - what's actually in them?
Please tell me you do.
Fourth_Drive
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Thanks F&B, your post provides a lot of clarity amongst the fog of posts here and in the threads on 6-APDB.
Sounds like and interesting chem, but as you say, the unknown toxicology is the worry here.
I'm a complete noob about this sort of stuff, so will ask what may be a silly question. Are metabolic routes / toxicity something that can be modelled or established theoretically, or is it a case of (quite literally) suck it and see - i.e. waiting for someone to do tests on guinea pigs (literal and figurative) in a lab.
Or even maybe just wait for a whole lot of enthusiastic BLers to try it out and then count how many mysteriously suddenly stop posting.![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Sounds like and interesting chem, but as you say, the unknown toxicology is the worry here.
I'm a complete noob about this sort of stuff, so will ask what may be a silly question. Are metabolic routes / toxicity something that can be modelled or established theoretically, or is it a case of (quite literally) suck it and see - i.e. waiting for someone to do tests on guinea pigs (literal and figurative) in a lab.
Or even maybe just wait for a whole lot of enthusiastic BLers to try it out and then count how many mysteriously suddenly stop posting.
Fourth_Drive
Bluelighter
PS - I wish people would drop the vendor-given name for 6-APDB; probably too late for that though, it seems to have taken hold. I agree, the Daily Mail will have a field day winding its readership up with that particular handle.
Maybe "Sex Ape-y" would be a better name? 8)
Maybe "Sex Ape-y" would be a better name? 8)
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I NUK3D U
Bluelighter
^ agreed
the vendor name for this is absolutely terrible, and most certainly dangerous in itself
the vendor name for this is absolutely terrible, and most certainly dangerous in itself
felix
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jolly green granules - isn't it just caffeine?
ummm... please enlighten me? if only so i can help to stamp it out.
Benzo Fury is the silly name in question. Even the chemical name is debatable - either 6-APDB or 4-desoxy-MDA.
fastandbulbous
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I's doubtful it's prolintane as that's a controlled substance in most of Europe (if it was I'd buy tons of the bloody stuff!)
I NUK3D U
Bluelighter
Two reasons really.
(1) The media will adopt it as the new mephedrone (because of the name) and therefore run a multi-million £/$ advertising and awareness campaign on behalf of the RC vendors.
(2) The 80% of users who don't 'use' sensibly will not understand that this isn't a benzo, so when it's banned (or even when it isn't) kids will probably end up getting actual benzos as a replacement, and will likely kill themselves. No media spin with this one. Imagine a 16yo hoovering up a monster line of valium...
Not saying that it will happen routinely, but guaranteed to be very problematic when this gets banned.
^ You'd have to work very hard to OD on a benzo. You'd pretty much have to snort your own body weight - especially considering benzos don't work if snorted. It is a name that can only lead to confusion but in this case the drug being confused for isn't actual (and potentially lethal) fertiliser like with meph but essentially harmless benzos. That doesn't stop it from being a stupid thing to call a drug, of course.
captain codshit
Bluelighter
I can think of a couple too....... 8)
As for the Benzo Fury what an absolute joke of a name. Nobody knows what chemical it actually is and you are debating whether it will be better than MDMA/MDA? Haha 8)
We do know what chemical it is - it's closely related to MDA (4-desoxy-MDA, I believe) hence the connection and excitement - it's just that chemical nomenclature is complex and the same chem could have a few names which would all be correct but sound totally different. The argument is over which one is "best" - it's all the same chemical being discussed.
captain codshit
Bluelighter
I'd rather good old MDA or a bag of actual Benzo's anyday....... :D
How d'you know since you haven't taken it?
Agreed on the MDA but if this stuff is any good it's a lot cheaper, legal, purer (in theory ) and comes with next day delivery. That would make it a rather attractive proposition you must admit. Definitely one of the more interesting of the new batch of RCs but the sheer quantity of hype is starting to put me off a bit. Same as the 5-IAI - lotta hype, little actual evidence beyond shilling so far
) and comes with next day delivery. That would make it a rather attractive proposition you must admit. Definitely one of the more interesting of the new batch of RCs but the sheer quantity of hype is starting to put me off a bit. Same as the 5-IAI - lotta hype, little actual evidence beyond shilling so far
captain codshit
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Exactly. And looking at what the RC market has brought about so far, I don't see many posatives tbh. Just filthy fiending and evil as fuck side effects from most of them. IMO.
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