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Benzos The Big Phenazepam Throw Together Pt. I

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BollWeevil said:
Anyone who has gotten the ~70% pure stuff (72% +/-2% ), does anyone have knowledge/ experience relating to dosing with it? Should it work in PG just the same? I'm wondering who has gotten this batch of stuff and what they are doing with it...
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I can't any of it to work in PG after reading 2.6 juzillion threads on it. Tell m your secret you conspiratorial-keeping-out-one-crucial-bit-of-info-BLers! For the love of God!!..... But when I do try the crap from EKWA (everyone knows who anyone), and this better stuff you can get from somone else WYMORMNK (who you may or may not know), I get closer to full solubility with the "99.7" than the ~70. It's obvious just subjectively lookig at the jars. I dunno why this, either. Someone give me clue. I'll give you both of my pinkie fingers in exchange. Seriously. But only if we can sever them simultaneously with one of those paper cutter "whip slicers."
 
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I can't any of it to work in PG after reading 2.6 juzillion threads on it. Tell m your secret you conspiratorial-keeping-out-one-crucial-bit-of-info-BLers! For the love of God!!..... But when I do try the crap from EKWA (everyone knows who anyone), and this better stuff you can get from somone else WYMORMNK (who you may or may not know), I get closer to full solubility with the "99.7" than the ~70. It's obvious just subjectively lookig at the jars. I dunno why this, either. Someone give me clue. I'll give you both of my pinkie fingers in exchange. Seriously. But only if we can sever them simultaneously with one of those paper cutter "whip slicers."
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I got the ~70% stuff to dissolve in PG... My only question is if the other 30% being unknown, if that could possibly mess up dosing. Since it all dissolved, I assume, no, but I'm not really sure...
 
I am really counting on this shit to get me through cold turkey withdrawals. I experimented with it a bit and combined with poppy tea (now that's nodding!) and overused it a bit for recreational purposes (I never got to really try benzos recreationally).

I've noticed that taking larg-ish doses tolerance builds pretty quickly like during previous withdrawals I found that after 3 or 4 days of regular use it wasn't doing anything. But when I first started using it I almost forgot I was in withdrawal (when combined with a lil weed of course). I'm planning on tapering a bit with the pods and then staying away from the phenazepam for a while, then when the going gets tough I think that phenazepam, weed, and naproxen will be my absolute lifesaver.

Now if only there wasn't that 60 hour half life....
 
I'm getting a bit worried about w/ds. After sampling out a bunch to my friends, I realized I'm down to scraps (and my doc is fucking with my on my clonazepam scrip). I've got more on the way, but track & confirm just says "information received." I REALLY hope I don't end up having full-on withdrawals as a result of all this bullshit. (For background info, I usually take 2-8mg plus 2mg clonazepam on a daily basis).

I may have just fucked myself royally. Heh maybe I need to head over to the dark side...
 
^Nah man, the blessing you have is the extremely long half life... How much do you have at your disposal? I'm sure you can stretch until you either get more or get sober... Cut your dose back by up to half right away to preserve the precious amount you have. You still have the clonazepam so you should still be okay. You just can't break and take 8mg when you're allotting yourself 1-1.5mg per day. With the quantities phen comes in, I have to imagine you have at least ~15mg left, which you should be able to stretch over a really long time if needed... You could actually do a fast taper with that amount if you really had to, but it might not be as unpleasant as a taper should be...
 
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^Be careful with it, man. It must be treated with proper caution, or it will do you much more harm than good...
 
Yeah, I'm learning that. All I've got is the little bit left in the vial, and some that got stuck to the sides. No clonazepam :(...but hopefully that'll be back tomorrow (doctor's being a pain in the ass). I'm taking as little as possible. I just did 2mg this morning to kill a hangover, and I've been going to the gym as much as possible and mixing kava in with my protein shakes, so I think I'll survive.

It just really sucks because I was having daily panic attacks that included vomiting even BEFORE any of these benzos came back into my life.

Be careful with this shit, people, it can ruin lives without blinking.
 
Ok, I've gone through this whole thread (more or less) and fully understand the dark side of this particular benzo (having a long half-life with a pure and potent compound), but what about the positive? How does this compair with say diazepam? What about clonazepam? Yes, I'd like to know about any euphoric effects (though it doesn't seem to have many if any really pronounced ones based off some of your posts), but mostly how does it fair as an anxiolic? Aside from the half-life, how long does the anxiolic effects last for? Do you have to dose more than once in a day (getting high aside)?

I'm far from benzo naive, and actually quit very high dose daily clonazepam use (had for years) in february. It's just I think that benzos still hold a very important and useful place in "the arsenal", just don't use them every day for prolonged periods.
 
I say it is near diazepam in anxiolytic and pleasant effects, though of course not quite on the same level of diazepam. Still, very worthy benzo, IMO. Much mroeso than clonazepam, lorazepam, or a host of others. (again, IMO)
 
It's an extremely potent benzo in a variety of ways. The hypnotic effect can be impairing (I was fired for nodding off on the job). Overall, though, I think it can be very useful as a replacement/adjunct for something like clonazepam, but only if you measure your doses with the same level of care, perhaps even more.

I feel like the anxiolytic effects last into the next day, with a similar length to clonazepam (when the panic is bad sometimes its gone quick, when I'm feeling ok it lasts into the evening).

It can be quite euphoric and give you a pleasant nod, particularly in combination with opiates (for the love of god, PLEASE be careful here.)

To be honest, the whole 60 hour half-life idea has been overblown. Even if true, phenazepam acts similarly in effects to other benzos like clonazepam and diazepam.

The key is treating it with the respect any benzo deserves. And if you don't measure it properly, don't blame it for fucking you over.
 
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Boll: I'm not sure what you mean by it's near diazepam with anxiolic effects. Does that mean it doesn't totally kill anxiety? It's not a matter of it being too hypnotic to where when you want to completely kill some bad anxiety you're already totally in the fog is it, because if not, why not just take a little more to equate diaz?

Mescal: I'm glad you mentioned that bit about hypnotic effects at work. This doesn't seem like a benzo I could use for daily functions, or is it? I'm not looking to get high on it (maybe sometimes, but really not), just to stabilize my anxiety. I'm currently not on anything for my anxiety, was for years and tried quite a few things, but benzos seemed to be the only thing that really did the trick (although I know there's a lot more meds I could of tried, hell only tried buspar recently, which sucks), so I plan to go back to benzos (along with whatever else that would work, as I haven't tried it yet. If you have any suggestions let me know/PM me). If I could get alpraz powder I'd just go that route, but lost my sources when Hushmail changed. Ideally I want both a long and short acting benzo, and both a hypnotic and non. I'd take something like diazepam in the morning to last most of the day (as my fuel), and alpraz for acute anxiety and symptoms of extra stress (like my fuel injection or nitrous).

TREAT BENZOS WITH NOT JUST REPECT BUT FEAR THE DAMAGE THEY CAN DO If you have half a brain, seriously, always weigh your doses, and do not take more to get high. This is not a class of drugs that you want to keep doing and extra "bump" of. You go into black out mode far before even knowing it, well duh hence a black out, but it's a lot quicker and hardcore. I have never crashed my car from being drunk or even on fucking GHB! (This is insainly stupid and dagerous, DO NOT drive on GHB, let alone drunk). I have however crashed my car 3 times from benzo abuse. I've also been arrested twice because of benzos. I could talk about this shit forever, because when you start to abuse this class of drugs (before your tolerance is at a level where you need a lot just to feel slightly normal), you pretty much unconsciously go looking for trouble.
 
Dex: I would recommend trying the phenazepam in the evening and seeing how well it prevents anxiety the next day. If it doesn't last long enough, then you might have issues using it as a functional benzo. However, I usually feel relaxed for most of the next day. You could possibly use phenazepam at night and then supplement with small doses of diazepam as needed the next day (I do this with clonazepam).

It's good to hear you understand the dangers of benzo abuse. I could go on forever about my own horror stories, and I generally hate to recommend them to anyone but an experienced survivor like yourself. I hope you find something that works for you. Anxiety can be so crippling...
 
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Boll: I'm not sure what you mean by it's near diazepam with anxiolic effects. Does that mean it doesn't totally kill anxiety? It's not a matter of it being too hypnotic to where when you want to completely kill some bad anxiety you're already totally in the fog is it, because if not, why not just take a little more to equate diaz?
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I don't see your confusion. Phenazepam works really well for anxiety. Diazepam, however, is possibly the best anxiolytic that I know of, so that is why I said "nearly as good". That's a damn compliment in my book...!
 
^Purely subjective. Clonazepam works extremely well, and if phenazepam works better for you than it and loraz, well shit it's good in my book. I find loraz entirely effective btw, it's just not very sedating, there is a difference. I am fully aware you weren't saying this, but I feel I should because many people will probably mix that up. I find diaz to be the best all around benzo, in regards to hypnotic and muscle relaxing effects, as well as of course quelling anxiety. It also lasts for hours on end unlike alpraz or loraz. It even lasts slightly longer than clonaz, which says a lot. Clonazepam produces a cleaner buzz imo, not as foggy for how much it reduces anxiety and relaxes the muscles. Different benzos for different situations imo.

It's just how your body is and yes slightly a preference. I just thought for some reason phenaz wasn't as much of an effective anxiolic in the respect that it'd be too sedating before you got top notch anxiolic effects.

Mescal: thank you very much, I will try that out. Anyone ever heard of lozar going around as a powder? I'm just curious to know if it even exists. I know alpraz at least used to be around, so I assume it still is, and of course diaza, but never heard of lorazepam powder. Thanks guys
 
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