Harmful cannabis use on the rise

[thestudent14]

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Don't hate the player, hate the game

 

[WitchfinderGeneral]

I didn't argue against the lack of deaths caused by cannabis, but imho it would be pretty ignorant to presume there weren't a decent number of deaths that cannabis contributed to heavily, both through lung damage contributing to emphysema and motor accidents.

TripppAR was talking about the lack of negative effects on his lungs caused by cannabis so I was just commenting on my experience which is quite different.

I don't think it's fair to include motor accidents in statistics for alcohol/cannabis/whatever deaths. It wasn't the drugs fault, it was the person using the drugs fault. Totally off topic, but just thought I'd say my piece.

It would seem that the danger of cannabis differs from person to person. I smoke daily with no effect on my day to day life (my lungs probably aren't happy, but quitting cigs would be a good start), and when I cut down (as I am at the moment), the worst withdrawal I get is a bit of trouble sleeping, which is negligible. However, I know people who smoke and have panic attacks, have had psychotic episodes and what not, although they have a chequered mental health past. Add to that the people who use it for the wrong reasons (to escape, deal with other issues etc.) and cannabis can be dangerous. However, in my experience, this happens to a small number of people. I'd advise people to make up their own mind, and of course, party safe.

 

[thestudent14]

I don't think it's fair to include motor accidents in statistics for alcohol/cannabis/whatever deaths. It wasn't the drugs fault, it was the person using the drugs fault. Totally off topic, but just thought I'd say my piece.

Sorry but I have to disagree.
Alcohol makes you lose inhibitions, therefore you think (I wanna get home... I'm drunk... but good enough to drive)

Cannabis
it's a bit more tricky, as whilst many people will argue that "you can't crash stoned because you drive so slow" WHICH IS FUCKIN RETARDED THINKING.
I have rarely been in a car with a stoned driver, I very much avoid it, but the times that I do it's like an adventure to food. But if the cannabis hadn't been smoked the chances of crashing are heavily reduced, you can argue that it's the persons fault for driving. But them being intoxicated makes you think otherwise, therefore I think these need to be in statistics.

Otherwise.
Ever been in a car with someone driving whose on mushies or pills. its FUCKED, and again you could argue it's the persons fault...
Peter Griffin: "but what was I meant to do? catch the bus? Catch the bus? did you want me to catch the bus? well screw that... you catch the bus.

getting off topic sorry,

Abbriged version for the lazy readers
Being intoxicated on any substance, alters your perceptions. Making you a worse driver, and even though you could say it's the persons fault for driving intoxicated it's often the intoxicating substance that makes you wanna drive.

If you drink and drive, you're a blood idiot
Party safe

 

[Busty St Clare]

If you drink and drive, you're a blood idiot

If you make it home you're a bloody legend

 

[TripppAR]

^^^^^ Thats funny.

But i despise people that drink and drive. Its the worst.. sadly its usually the fucking drink diver that survives the crash and wipes out a family. Due to their relaxed, often unconsious state!

 

[drug_mentor]

To clarify I was spinning my weed with some tobacco but not a ridiculous amount and whilst I know that mixing cannabis with tobacco does increase the damage to the lungs, I feel because I was already smoking tobacco and my lungs were nowhere near as bad the main thing that made it worse would have to be the marijuana.

If I was a tobacco smoker and my lungs werent too bad, start smoking marijuana heavily and add a few extra cigarettes a day and my lungs deteriorate very significantly I think it is safe to assume marijuana is largely responsible. I used to smoke ciggies and box with no problem but as soon as I started sucking down bongs again it wasn't long before I quit and even turning up 2 or 3 days a week and putting in 100% my fitness was going down instead of up.

We are talking about pretty heavy cannabis use, anywhere from 2-3 grams a day and often more. Obviously the tobacco didn't help but theres no way to rule out that marijuana heavily contributed to the sorry state my lungs were (still are ) in.

I say all this about marijuana but unfortunately my experiences were not enough to stop me from taking up daily smoking again recently. Its a bit of a cunt on top of my drinking problem but right now I am managing to keep myself down to around .5 grams a night.

 

[Demanufacturer]

there is nothing worse than chopping up the green, counting the people in the chop then someone saying "Dude there might not be enough cones...".

^^^^Oh... i know this scenario all to well hahaha.

Over the past two years after seeing many close friends turn to the bong (myself also, although substantially more casual) I have noticed the worst effects aren't health issues or problems with addiction/withdrawal but rather the demotivation and general lack of enthusiasm in everyday life.

It seems more and more these days im sitting down with friends thinking of something to do... we just end up getting stoned, every single time. It's just too damn convenient!!

 

[WitchfinderGeneral]

^^^^Oh... i know this scenario all to well hahaha.

Over the past two years after seeing many close friends turn to the bong (myself also, although substantially more casual) I have noticed the worst effects aren't health issues or problems with addiction/withdrawal but rather the demotivation and general lack of enthusiasm in everyday life.

It seems more and more these days im sitting down with friends thinking of something to do... we just end up getting stoned, every single time. It's just too damn convenient!!

I've seen this in a few people. I'd include myself in that, except I was always this way. I think people forget that there is more to life than just weed.*

*Bunny rabbits, for example.

 

[chdza]

In the last 4 months or so I've noticed that I produce enormous amounts of phlegm, I can basically hock a loogie at will. I'm fairly positive it is a result of my heavy bong smoking.

 

[drug_mentor]

^ Yep, I would bet it is a result of your bong smoking. It will only get worse, eventually those loogies will all be black. Its fucking rank as to have a coughing fit and look at your hand when you feel a big warm chunk of black phlegm hit it and its staring up at you, shiny like a marble. Ugh.

TripppAR I would really like to know how much weed you smoke and how long you have been smoking. I really find it quite funny you think smoking cannabis every day hasn't affected your lungs whatsoever, I mean you couldn't honestly believe that could you? I don't think there is a substance in the whole universe where one could inhale the byproduct of its combustion repeatedly, every day and not have a very negative impact on the lungs, I could be wrong.

 

[thestudent14]

We are talking about pretty heavy cannabis use, anywhere from 2-3 grams a day and often more. Obviously the tobacco didn't help but theres no way to rule out that marijuana heavily contributed to the sorry state my lungs were (still are ) in.

I say all this about marijuana but unfortunately my experiences were not enough to stop me from taking up daily smoking again recently. Its a bit of a cunt on top of my drinking problem but right now I am managing to keep myself down to around .5 grams a night.

I can't find it, but not too long ago I saw a very detailed non-bias survey on tobacco vs mariujana's affect on the lungs.

It was a survey that took ages to complete can't remember exactly (15yrs+) I think.

But any how, the jist of it pretty much was that the people writing the survey were trying to prove that cannabis gave lung cancer. And amongst all the people they trialed it showed ZERO signs that weed gave lung cancer. However it showed that it still caused serious damage, not in a life threatening way, but enough that you become short of breath, weazy, cough etc. Nothing really suprising... just wanted to back up your claim

(really wish I could find the link lol)

 

[eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

HA !! "Harmful cannabis use on the rise" 8) visit www.bluelight.ru and use search, umm...DERRRRR *Slaps his forehead


Firstly, It's all about choice....everybody does have a choice, if you choose to, then this forms a scenario for other factors involved in the moment to influence the outcome...

Second, tobacco mixed with marijuana smoked through a bong is addictive, hence the addictive elements of todays tobacco vs the non addictive properties of marijuana. Where I base this from is obvious....

First time marijuana Smoker "A" (non tobacco smoker) - Cut up marijuana and smoke it using device "joint, bong or eat it".

First time marijuana Smoker "B" (tobacco smoker) - Cut up marijuana and smoke it using device "joint, bong or eat it".


Important one...

First time marijuana Smoker "C" (non tobacco smoker) - Cut up marijuana MIX TODAYS SO CALLED MODERN AGE LACED TOBACCO INTO IT and smoke it using device "joint, bong or eat it"....

NOW YOU ADD "CHOICE"

scenario's....

First time marijuana Smoker "A,B and C" choose to smoke

First time marijuana Smoker "A,B and C" choose NOT to smoke


obvious one.....



First time marijuana SMOKER "C" becomes addicted to the laced tobacco over "unknown time".


It is fair to say that prolonged use of todays laced tobacco will get you addicted (timeframe unknown) regardless of methods used; smoking through a device called "the bong" will increase" addiction to todays LACED tobacco ( timeframe unknown) <------ ok I have no proof I know but call it my theory.

NOW, add schizophrenia, age, genetics, society pressure's as only some examples of many scenario's you can add. I am getting ahead of my self now aren't I ? Well it "could" give you "Harmful cannabis use on the rise"

*** It must be said also that the society of today accept that you can buy LACED CHEWING GUM for medical purposes "which help fight the cravings" by instilling you a dose of chemicals which are considered an "aid" of fighting this addiction to this MOST powerful manufactured drug which are in todays tobacco.
THIS IS A FACT


face, MrIbis, moderateuser, TripppAR, expothead, De quincy, 8L4YN3, drug_mentor, tr3jo, phase_dancer, Demanufacturer, chdza, WitchfinderGeneral and of course thestudent14...

Some excellent reading, thank you.

I can't find it, but not too long ago I saw a very detailed non-bias survey on tobacco vs mariujana's affect on the lungs.

It was a survey that took ages to complete can't remember exactly (15yrs+) I think.

But any how, the jist of it pretty much was that the people writing the survey were trying to prove that cannabis gave lung cancer. And amongst all the people they trialed it showed ZERO signs that weed gave lung cancer. However it showed that it still caused serious damage, not in a life threatening way, but enough that you become short of breath, weazy, cough etc. Nothing really suprising... just wanted to back up your claim

(really wish I could find the link lol)

would be nice


4Rs

 

[thestudent14]

yay! Appreciation! Muchas gracias amigo

+1
=d

 

[TripppAR]

I can only speak form PERSONAL experience and heavy reading of many studies.

I'm 21 now. Been smoking since i was 16 basically..but not heavy. Only heavy the past few years... say 3.

I smoke around 2 grams a day/ night. I usually wake up and have like 4 cones before work at like 8.. But when i get home (anywhere from 3pm-5pm - Boss men get to leave whenever, helps when your dad owns the company as well) I will smoke around a gram or more before 8 oclock then maybe another by the time 10 rolls around.. usually very good weed, but occasionally i am forced to get your basic sydney hydro. Lots of red hairs etc... tight nuggets lacking crystals.

But if it is the usual super chronic a quarter can last me a few days easy...say get it on monday i'd be looking to get more by thursday..

But i have ahd tests done to try and prove alot of the facts (that i have read) to myself ..

E.g i had a lung test done a while back. Capacity etc etc.. but was only shown a 2% decrease in some area's after a 6 month wait then another test.. Which was supposedly negligble due to city living!



But IF YOU VAPE your weed or ingest it there are litreally no negative efffects. Some people just can't smoke weed though and they tend to give it a bad wrap from there on in if they can't enjoy it..

 

[MrIbis]

I ate a hash anzac cookie yesterday. I will quite safely say it was like getting stoned on bongs when i was 15, and became a heavily introspective trip... i don't know wtf people are on about when they say its a 'body' stone, apart from the fact it felt like my whole body was shaking, extremely heavy whilst i thought about conspiracy theories, my personality and compared them to johnny depp movies...

whack.

This is why people say weed causes psychosis, its much like any other trip until you're heavily used to it. If you're not able to gauge reality from a drug and differentiate them - you're in for psychosis.

 

[De quincy]

One of the issues that I feel has never been really addressed regarding cannabis is the issue of cannabis quality with regard to variety and breed of the plant. When people talk about cannabis it is spoken about as if it is either Hydro or bush. Over the years as the illicit underground horticultural industry has progressed, a multitude of varieties and strains of cannabis cross breeds have emerged. Research has shown there has been a steady increase in potency but not to the reefer madness levels that protagonists have suggested, i.e. 30-40% more potent than in the 70s.

There is an emerging, controversial school of thought that says that cannabinoids have the ability to suppress psychotic like symptoms and that cannabis with high THC content and low cannabinoid levels is a recipe for disaster for individuals predisposed to potential mental health issues. Alternatively, strains with high cannabinoid and high THC levels are less likely to cause these issues. As the evidence is not conclusive and scarce at best, I’ll sit on the fence with this one. But there lies the problem; research on cannabis related issues does not factor this into the equation. When considering mental health related issues associated with cannabis, at best researchers will only consider two factors, hydro or bush and sometimes the issue of cannabis and tobacco mix.

For me this is just one of the many supporting arguments to regulate and control cannabis production as this would amongst other things bring quality control measures to what people consume. I’m not for one minute saying this is the solution, for me it’s the best of the bad options. I believe there will always be a small group of individuals who experience problems with cannabis or for that matter any substance or compulsive behaviour. Be it alcohol, MDMA, LSD, dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) the stuff that contributed to the death of Anna Woods or obsessive sexual behaviours etc etc.

Mr Ibis I have seen many a seasoned smoker spin out big time on consuming cannabis through cookies, mull cakes, Bhang lassies etc. Recently in a well known, alternative small township where people go to procure cannabis, there was an enormous amount of very potent cannabis cookies being locally produced. Apparently with the very wet weather and high humidity, some growers were pulling up there plants earlier than normal due to mould issues. As the buds where not grown to full size many individuals where making cannabis butter and producing very potent cookies. Normally cannabis butter would be produced using only the leaf of the plant whereas these cookies where extremely potent. Once again no regulation and quality control issues. If you procured cannabis cookies from a dozen different sources they would all be potentially different in potency.

Hope the experience wasn’t too nerve racking for you and that you survived without too many ill effects.

 

[MrIbis]

Yeah i get that... it's the kinda thing i do for a thrill ride... the visual side of the experience was much like Ketamine.

Smoking bud really only makes me think a little bit more... but i can still concentrate.. yesterday i couldn't concentrate on something for more than 2 seconds.. then it was gone.

 

[hyroller]

^^^^ you've obviously not included the quota of pornography consumption in the above stated figures :D

 

[De quincy]

^ Definitely, there is a correlation between pornography and sexual behaviours. Apparently objectifying people within popular mediums, i.e. pornography will change cultural norms around sexual behaviours. In English, as the incidence of oral sex has become more characterised within porn so too has the incidence of this behaviour increased, not that I’m complaining or anything.

Mr Ibis
I spend a considerable amount of time in India and have seen many westerners really losing the plot on Bhang lassies. Whereas for me when I was a smoker this was never an issue and I really put it to the test on many occasion in trying to ascertain just how far I could push the boundaries with the infamous bhang lassie. If dick sizing was on the agenda here I was an elephant. On the other hand, if I consumed acid that was another issue, I was probably the most sensitive individual to this drug; even the smallest amount would put me in orbit. Although generally not a frightening experience, I was extremely sensitive to even the smallest dose. A penis the size of an ant

 

[hyroller]

^^^^ well, as long as there are no teeth involved, the experience itself is basically not unpleasant

however, the proficiency of the contributing party and the receptiveness of the intended audience pretty much makes or breaks the encounter into being one of either memorable, or forgotten.

I suppose the representations in popular culture (i.e. in episodes of Entourage ) of young, jobless dudes smoking weed & perfecting the art of womanising... makes this cultural anomaly far more endemic than it has ever been before....?