MrIbis
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Harmful cannabis use on the rise
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TripppAR
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heythatsmybike - Ok mate
You have pulled out the classic "It has x amount more tar then cigis" argument. Firstly this is simply not true. YES my bong gets dirty after a gram or so. But this is simply due to the actual smoke travelling through the water. Try smoking a gram of emptied out cigerettes verses a gram of nice green..bush weed even better...you will see a MASSIVE difference in the colour of the water!
And @ thestudent! Man! Are you serious? HEAPS of people eat there weed dude. There are alot of people that use it medicinally and CANNOT smoke it due to certain health problems. These people actually eat their cannabis. Many cancer patients use it to give them the will to eat, sleep and many MANY other things that cancer takes away from them. Saying that not many people is quite ignorant to the state of the world..especially the United States (im aware we are in Australia)
And im not sure if youve ever eaten cannabis. But you do not need OUNCES AND OUNCES per day mate. A few grams or even LESS then a gram of concentrate is often more then enough to see someone through with its anagesia properties or appetite increasing effects. Cancer patients often only need a PUFF and you can see dramatic differneces in their quality of life and of other aspects in them!
Do some research into things such as medicinal marijuana and Co-Ops. There is a MASSIVE movement behind legalisation and many many states have already started doing this in the US. California namley...but its something i belive in strongly having seen and read many studies, being a heavy smoker and avid lover of all things cannabis!!
I know you have been brainwashed by school, teachers, parents, peers...but the have simply been fed some mis-information that has been passed on..and on...and ON...
So stop PASSING it on and learn some facts!
For gods sake how can you trust a website (government) that lists ACID AND LSD AS 2 DIFFERENT SUBSTANCES!
You have pulled out the classic "It has x amount more tar then cigis" argument. Firstly this is simply not true. YES my bong gets dirty after a gram or so. But this is simply due to the actual smoke travelling through the water. Try smoking a gram of emptied out cigerettes verses a gram of nice green..bush weed even better...you will see a MASSIVE difference in the colour of the water!
And @ thestudent! Man! Are you serious? HEAPS of people eat there weed dude. There are alot of people that use it medicinally and CANNOT smoke it due to certain health problems. These people actually eat their cannabis. Many cancer patients use it to give them the will to eat, sleep and many MANY other things that cancer takes away from them. Saying that not many people is quite ignorant to the state of the world..especially the United States (im aware we are in Australia)
And im not sure if youve ever eaten cannabis. But you do not need OUNCES AND OUNCES per day mate. A few grams or even LESS then a gram of concentrate is often more then enough to see someone through with its anagesia properties or appetite increasing effects. Cancer patients often only need a PUFF and you can see dramatic differneces in their quality of life and of other aspects in them!
Do some research into things such as medicinal marijuana and Co-Ops. There is a MASSIVE movement behind legalisation and many many states have already started doing this in the US. California namley...but its something i belive in strongly having seen and read many studies, being a heavy smoker and avid lover of all things cannabis!!
I know you have been brainwashed by school, teachers, parents, peers...but the have simply been fed some mis-information that has been passed on..and on...and ON...
So stop PASSING it on and learn some facts!
For gods sake how can you trust a website (government) that lists ACID AND LSD AS 2 DIFFERENT SUBSTANCES!
puckboy
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If used responsibly, marijuana is a fairly safe drug compared to most others. Most people can enjoy a joint or a few cones now and then without it having a negative impact on their lives or their physical and mental health.
When abused heavily though for years to the point of dependance it can be hard to take a break from or stop completely and there can be some unpleasant physical/mental w/ds. I've definitely experienced it, having smoked weed for the past 6 years daily for the most part. Though it is nothing close to something like benzo addiction which I've also been through. I'm willing to bet a huge proportion of the people going to hospital are there due to a combination of marijuana dependance and a mental illness or other issue that they're self-medicating for.
The main changes I see arising from heavy weed smoking are peoples lifestyles becoming sedentary and for some people worsened feelings of anxiety/depression. As far as commonly used drugs go it certainly isn't as rapidly habit-forming and damaging as alot of them are. Moderation is the key.
I've had my share of problems due to my smoking but I still believe it should be legal as I brought those problems on myself through abuse/overuse. Considering alcohol and tobacco are legal, marijuana certainly is the healthy alternative of the three.
When abused heavily though for years to the point of dependance it can be hard to take a break from or stop completely and there can be some unpleasant physical/mental w/ds. I've definitely experienced it, having smoked weed for the past 6 years daily for the most part. Though it is nothing close to something like benzo addiction which I've also been through. I'm willing to bet a huge proportion of the people going to hospital are there due to a combination of marijuana dependance and a mental illness or other issue that they're self-medicating for.
The main changes I see arising from heavy weed smoking are peoples lifestyles becoming sedentary and for some people worsened feelings of anxiety/depression. As far as commonly used drugs go it certainly isn't as rapidly habit-forming and damaging as alot of them are. Moderation is the key.
I've had my share of problems due to my smoking but I still believe it should be legal as I brought those problems on myself through abuse/overuse. Considering alcohol and tobacco are legal, marijuana certainly is the healthy alternative of the three.
De quincy
Bluelighter
The problem with the cannabis debate is constantly highlighted by the polarised arguments that are manifested around the whole debate. In one camp we have the reefer madness stalwarts’ pushing the same old horror stories of Psychosis, schizophrenia, lock up your daughters and gate way drug theories. In the other camp we have the pro legalisation crowd who refuse to acknowledge that cannabis is a drug and that there are health related issues associated with its use by some.
The reality is there are problems with cannabis use for some individuals but the majority of the cannabis using population do not suffer the extreme mental health related issues of psychosis, schizophrenia and dependence. The problem with the current research is that we tend to focus on the sharp end of the wedge, the small cohort of problem cannabis users. The majority of cannabis users who experience minimal issues fly under the radar of research and consequently we have only the bad case scenarios highlighted within the science literature and the media. In the interests of harm reduction you have to way up what are the best of the bad options with regard to drug law reform and the regulation of cannabis. It would appear to me that the legal issues are all too often neglected when we look at cannabis related harm. Let’s face it a criminal record can harm an individuals opportunities and can set one along a path that could have been avoided if there were more reasonable considerations with regard to the law.
We have had a period of approximately 50 years of cannabis use to study as a cohort. Within this time there has been a significant increase in the use of cannabis that would have appeared to have plateaued over the last decade. Over this same 50 year period we have not seen a corresponding increase in the rates of schizophrenia. If anything schizophrenia rates are dropping. If cannabis causes this mental health problem you would see a corresponding increase to match this within the literature. But this correlation cannot be drawn upon much to the malaise of the reefer madness Drug Free Australia wack jobs. Also any behaviour practiced over a significant period of time that has a degree of risk associated withit is going to have a cumulative effect over the years. People have to realise that as you get older things tend to break down.
With regard to cannabis and dependence there are various conflicting sources of literature on this issue. No cannabis is not like heroin, alcohol, benzos etc. you do not experience the same physiological issues. But to a cronic smoker going into withdrawel their experience is very real. Also within the literature the definitions of cannabis addiction differ as to what measure or instrument is being utilised and this is the connundrum, the so called experts can't decide based on the differing tools to measure this condition. If anyone's interested I can bore you to death with a mountain of research on this one.
The reality is there are problems with cannabis use for some individuals but the majority of the cannabis using population do not suffer the extreme mental health related issues of psychosis, schizophrenia and dependence. The problem with the current research is that we tend to focus on the sharp end of the wedge, the small cohort of problem cannabis users. The majority of cannabis users who experience minimal issues fly under the radar of research and consequently we have only the bad case scenarios highlighted within the science literature and the media. In the interests of harm reduction you have to way up what are the best of the bad options with regard to drug law reform and the regulation of cannabis. It would appear to me that the legal issues are all too often neglected when we look at cannabis related harm. Let’s face it a criminal record can harm an individuals opportunities and can set one along a path that could have been avoided if there were more reasonable considerations with regard to the law.
We have had a period of approximately 50 years of cannabis use to study as a cohort. Within this time there has been a significant increase in the use of cannabis that would have appeared to have plateaued over the last decade. Over this same 50 year period we have not seen a corresponding increase in the rates of schizophrenia. If anything schizophrenia rates are dropping. If cannabis causes this mental health problem you would see a corresponding increase to match this within the literature. But this correlation cannot be drawn upon much to the malaise of the reefer madness Drug Free Australia wack jobs. Also any behaviour practiced over a significant period of time that has a degree of risk associated withit is going to have a cumulative effect over the years. People have to realise that as you get older things tend to break down.
With regard to cannabis and dependence there are various conflicting sources of literature on this issue. No cannabis is not like heroin, alcohol, benzos etc. you do not experience the same physiological issues. But to a cronic smoker going into withdrawel their experience is very real. Also within the literature the definitions of cannabis addiction differ as to what measure or instrument is being utilised and this is the connundrum, the so called experts can't decide based on the differing tools to measure this condition. If anyone's interested I can bore you to death with a mountain of research on this one.
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thestudent14
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^ well said De_quincy
@TripppAR
I'm loving your posts right now, they're challenging everyones beliefs and you have the info to back up your claims.
Only reason I spoke about weed being eaten not as a regular thing was because I've seen very little info of it. And saying the thing about ounces wasn't trying to say that people do it, meerly saying that if you had ounces of it, I have no doubt it would be terrible for you (But even caffeine at high doses is dangerous
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Good finds on the articles too bro, definately a good read. Always good to hear that my smoking habits will cut down my brain tumours and cure my lung cancer
As far as things that say otherwise
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm
http://www.drug-and-alcohol-rehab-info.com/addiction/index.php/negative-effects-of-marijuana/
And for the big one > Our site we like
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_journal.shtml#health
@TripppAR
I'm loving your posts right now, they're challenging everyones beliefs and you have the info to back up your claims.
Only reason I spoke about weed being eaten not as a regular thing was because I've seen very little info of it. And saying the thing about ounces wasn't trying to say that people do it, meerly saying that if you had ounces of it, I have no doubt it would be terrible for you (But even caffeine at high doses is dangerous
)Good finds on the articles too bro, definately a good read. Always good to hear that my smoking habits will cut down my brain tumours and cure my lung cancer
As far as things that say otherwise
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.-Lya.htm
http://www.drug-and-alcohol-rehab-info.com/addiction/index.php/negative-effects-of-marijuana/
And for the big one > Our site we like
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_journal.shtml#health
moderateuser
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Probably true. I use it a couple of times a year myself. But I approach it like everything else and weigh the risks against rewards, I don't think heavy use is a safe or desirable lifestyle choice myself.
Were there not reports coming out last year that (extremely) heavy users were developing a physical syndrome that manifested in sharp prolonged abdominal pains that could only be relieved by hot showers? There's an artical and thread on here somewhere. Certainly does not apply to most users, BUT I believe the general scientific concensus is now that there are physical ramifications for heavy use that were hitherto unknown and which are not fully understood.
I for one question the scientific method, merit and validity of your bong experiments. Unless you're a well studied botanist I think I'll trust what I read in books on this matter.
Some of my friends work in psych wards. Nearly every week they say that the biggest problem they have to deal with is that once they finally get a schizophrenia patient ballanced enough to leave, the patient goes home, has a few bongs, and within two days is brought staight back (often by police) in as bad a state when they first entered. In other words, 48 hours on weed and they undo months of psych work finding a ballanced meds routine, etc.
Repeated inhalation of smoke, whatever kind, is bad fo your respiratory system. Even if some constituent parts of marijuana can be utilised for medical purposes - pure isolated THC might indeed retard the growth of cancer, or whatever - I would regardless be incredibly surprised if the act of smoking the plant material was not on ballance still doing more harm than good. In fact I'd eat my hat.
However, however, however.. TripppAR, and others, I'm not trying to tell you that you should stop smoking. Whatever floats your boat. You have to weigh your own risks and rewards, and for all I know you may be healthier than me.
Medical Marijuana is the usa goes just fine ive seen a few documentrys..
but think about it guys every anti depressent every legal persrpiton pill you take fucks you up in the long run...
its simply because the government makes money of it..
and drugs is taking over anyway like it or not its everywere more n more people are doing it everyday at an earlier n earlier age soooner or later it willtake over
but think about it guys every anti depressent every legal persrpiton pill you take fucks you up in the long run...
its simply because the government makes money of it..
and drugs is taking over anyway like it or not its everywere more n more people are doing it everyday at an earlier n earlier age soooner or later it willtake over
thestudent14
Bluelighter
One of my best friends brother has recently returned to the psych ward and definately would not rule the use of cannabis ouy
I couldn't agree more, thats one of the points I was trying to get it out, but you worded it so so much better.
Top post indeed moderateuser
If it was simply about the government making money, they would legalise mariujana tomorrow as the tax revenue they would recieve would be throught the roof, it would no doubt rival both ciggarettes and alcohol.
jaguraguguru
Bluelighter
De Quincy, thank you for the most all-around levelheaded and balanced argument on this thread.
To everyone who is talking about heavy, chronic use or eating ounces of marijuana, I doubt there is anyone, or more than a few fanatics, who actually believe that there are no ill effects from this type of use. Clearly anyone who knows anything about health knows that smoking any type of plant matter, and basically anything for that matter, if you're smoking it and not just vaporizing it, is harmful to the lungs and the rest of the body as it produces aromatics which intercalate between DNA bases and can cause mutations. They are also quite reactive and create epoxides which can create free radicals.
Heavy, chronic smoking of marijuana, with or without tobacco, will cause lung and throat damage and will have toxic side effects. If you're going to cite this as a reason for why cannabis shouldn't be legalized or as a negative side effect of the plant, you're really missing the point. As thestudent mentioned, even caffeine (or water, or sugar, or fat, or cholesterol, or cocaine, etc) are toxic at very high doses and to cite that as a reason not to use a drug is the same as saying no one should use any drugs ever and that no one should overdo anything at all, ever. Of course it is toxic at very high doses over a long period of time, but that's not the point. Acutely, when smoked, it is rather benign, causing no serious lung or throat damage with no long-term damage, whereas it produces a large number or potent medicinal effects (reduction of intraocular pressure for glaucoma, analgesia, mood elevation, anxiolysis, anti-emesis, anti-vertigo, relaxation, anti-anorexia for cancer patients, etc).
Therefore, with a low incidence of side effects, most of which are minor, even smoking cannabis seldomly is quite benign and medicinal. Until one starts smoking like a cigarette smoker, it is quite safe and non-toxic and extremely unlikely to produce psychotic episodes in anyone not latently schizophrenic or psychotic. As TripppAR mentioned, vaporizing or eating cannabis has such a low incidence of side effects that its toxicity can't even really be mentioned. There is no lung damage from vaporization and no ingestion of combustion products, no hot smoke, etc. Eating the plant also has no real toxicity.
Basically, as nearly everyone has said, moderation is key. There are, of course, negative effects at high, chronic doses, as with every chemical, but at responsible doses in moderation, especially with the right ROA, it is quite non-toxic. It has also been shown to be nearly non-lethal with no known LD50 but estimates being that one would have to smoke several pounds of the plant in a day or eat a couple pounds' worth of extract.
That said, use of the drug is your choice and I would not suggest that everyone should use cannabis, and that very few should use it in high, chronic amounts (only the few whose quality of life is greatly improved, and where toxicity is far less than whatever they're taking it for).
Your post hardly makes sense but what sense there is in it is completely wrong. I don't know where you get the idea that every prescription pill fucks you up in the long run, but it's just patently false, as could be seen if you had the ability to understand a scholarly article that shows otherwise for hundreds of drugs.
Furthermore, drugs aren't "taking over anyway, like it or not." Drugs have been an important part of every society in the history of mankind, both medicinally and recreationally. It's not uncommon to find societies where drug use was allowed or even encouraged in children. It won't ever take over because drugs act as a feedback inhibition because as they are used more, they create more problems which aren't fixed by greater consumption. I also agree strongly with thestudent that if it was only about money, marijuana would be legalized, regulated, and sold to reap tax income.
To everyone who is talking about heavy, chronic use or eating ounces of marijuana, I doubt there is anyone, or more than a few fanatics, who actually believe that there are no ill effects from this type of use. Clearly anyone who knows anything about health knows that smoking any type of plant matter, and basically anything for that matter, if you're smoking it and not just vaporizing it, is harmful to the lungs and the rest of the body as it produces aromatics which intercalate between DNA bases and can cause mutations. They are also quite reactive and create epoxides which can create free radicals.
Heavy, chronic smoking of marijuana, with or without tobacco, will cause lung and throat damage and will have toxic side effects. If you're going to cite this as a reason for why cannabis shouldn't be legalized or as a negative side effect of the plant, you're really missing the point. As thestudent mentioned, even caffeine (or water, or sugar, or fat, or cholesterol, or cocaine, etc) are toxic at very high doses and to cite that as a reason not to use a drug is the same as saying no one should use any drugs ever and that no one should overdo anything at all, ever. Of course it is toxic at very high doses over a long period of time, but that's not the point. Acutely, when smoked, it is rather benign, causing no serious lung or throat damage with no long-term damage, whereas it produces a large number or potent medicinal effects (reduction of intraocular pressure for glaucoma, analgesia, mood elevation, anxiolysis, anti-emesis, anti-vertigo, relaxation, anti-anorexia for cancer patients, etc).
Therefore, with a low incidence of side effects, most of which are minor, even smoking cannabis seldomly is quite benign and medicinal. Until one starts smoking like a cigarette smoker, it is quite safe and non-toxic and extremely unlikely to produce psychotic episodes in anyone not latently schizophrenic or psychotic. As TripppAR mentioned, vaporizing or eating cannabis has such a low incidence of side effects that its toxicity can't even really be mentioned. There is no lung damage from vaporization and no ingestion of combustion products, no hot smoke, etc. Eating the plant also has no real toxicity.
Basically, as nearly everyone has said, moderation is key. There are, of course, negative effects at high, chronic doses, as with every chemical, but at responsible doses in moderation, especially with the right ROA, it is quite non-toxic. It has also been shown to be nearly non-lethal with no known LD50 but estimates being that one would have to smoke several pounds of the plant in a day or eat a couple pounds' worth of extract.
That said, use of the drug is your choice and I would not suggest that everyone should use cannabis, and that very few should use it in high, chronic amounts (only the few whose quality of life is greatly improved, and where toxicity is far less than whatever they're taking it for).
Your post hardly makes sense but what sense there is in it is completely wrong. I don't know where you get the idea that every prescription pill fucks you up in the long run, but it's just patently false, as could be seen if you had the ability to understand a scholarly article that shows otherwise for hundreds of drugs.
Furthermore, drugs aren't "taking over anyway, like it or not." Drugs have been an important part of every society in the history of mankind, both medicinally and recreationally. It's not uncommon to find societies where drug use was allowed or even encouraged in children. It won't ever take over because drugs act as a feedback inhibition because as they are used more, they create more problems which aren't fixed by greater consumption. I also agree strongly with thestudent that if it was only about money, marijuana would be legalized, regulated, and sold to reap tax income.
MrIbis
Bluelighter
^level headed.. it was very pro-drug, not level-headed at all...
People don't seem to sit on the fence in this debate, and it's very rare to see any non-drug users even comment on it, as being jumped down the throat by someone from both camps seems to be the usual.
I find weed a HARD DRUG, and I personally use it to potentiate and cause psychedelic effects in combination with euphoriant drugs like MDMA and meth. Any drug capable of causing a psychedelic effect can and will have links to psychosis and schizophrenia by essence of it's nature in intollerant and pre-disposed users, and occasionally in those who seem 'perfectly normal'.
It's analgesic qualities seem to stem only from it's psychedelic effects, and the fact it tends to send people into a thinking frenzy, with little time to focus on one thought process.
People don't seem to sit on the fence in this debate, and it's very rare to see any non-drug users even comment on it, as being jumped down the throat by someone from both camps seems to be the usual.
I find weed a HARD DRUG, and I personally use it to potentiate and cause psychedelic effects in combination with euphoriant drugs like MDMA and meth. Any drug capable of causing a psychedelic effect can and will have links to psychosis and schizophrenia by essence of it's nature in intollerant and pre-disposed users, and occasionally in those who seem 'perfectly normal'.
It's analgesic qualities seem to stem only from it's psychedelic effects, and the fact it tends to send people into a thinking frenzy, with little time to focus on one thought process.
CivilDisobedience
Greenlighter
Weed = Hungry, Happy, Sleepy
cure for almost everything
and for what it doesn't, theirs opiates
cure for almost everything
and for what it doesn't, theirs opiates
expothead
Bluelighter
I don't see anything pro-drug in De Quincy's post.
That's a big open-ended statement. What are you basing it on? Gut feeling?
Personally, I like to think i'm not pro-drug, but rather anti-prohibition. I enjoy pot so is it any wonder I (and others) get a little defensive when they roll out the fear card. If i'd used any other drug with the frequency I have used marijuana over the last few decades I highly doubt i'd be here.
MrIbis
Bluelighter
Well given i am someone who has used many other drugs quite regularly - and so far as heroin is concerned seen the small amount of harm thats done to me (re: withdrawals) and look at my mother who only smokes dope, and how fucking psychotic she is - i need only to think for a moment which seems truly more harmful, and therefore form my opinions based upon that.
TripppAR
Bluelighter
A few of you seem to think that the cannnabis legalisation is simply a tax and money issue! It goes deeper then that. Big pharmaceutical companys are constantly lobbying the government to keep the plant illegal! Imagine if people could grow there own medicine? And everyone stopped buying pills that gave you worse side effects then your actuall disease? Well..they might loose a little bit of money, say, billions!
The thing is. YOU CANNOT PUT A PATENT ON A NATURAL FIBRE/ PRODUCT!
Massive issue for big pharma! They cannot OWN it and have the monopoly on it, therefore it is financially useless to them. Therefore the longer it is illegal the more money they make off the sick and dying.
As they say, "There's no money in healthy people.."
Oh and thanks for the compliment thestudent! I try..i feel pretty passionatly about my beautiful mary jane haha..as im sure all of us smokers do! I would hope!
The thing is. YOU CANNOT PUT A PATENT ON A NATURAL FIBRE/ PRODUCT!
Massive issue for big pharma! They cannot OWN it and have the monopoly on it, therefore it is financially useless to them. Therefore the longer it is illegal the more money they make off the sick and dying.
As they say, "There's no money in healthy people.."
Oh and thanks for the compliment thestudent! I try..i feel pretty passionatly about my beautiful mary jane haha..as im sure all of us smokers do! I would hope!
How about people don't have the right to tell you that you can't put a substance in your body just because they are to stupid to control their own use.
You don't have to think that there are no side effects to think it should be legalised. The problem is people aren't reading the actual studies and instead are relying on shitty news articles badly describing studies or their own gut feeling on it.
Saying that cannabis should be illegal is MDMA is illegal (which I don't agree with after extensive use of both) should follow to if cannabis is illegal then alcohol and tobacco should definitely be illegal.
You don't have to think that there are no side effects to think it should be legalised. The problem is people aren't reading the actual studies and instead are relying on shitty news articles badly describing studies or their own gut feeling on it.
Saying that cannabis should be illegal is MDMA is illegal (which I don't agree with after extensive use of both) should follow to if cannabis is illegal then alcohol and tobacco should definitely be illegal.
expothead
Bluelighter
LOL - it all makes sense now. :D
But I for one question the scientific method, merit and validity of your mum experiment.
NeedlessBeing
Bluelighter
Agreed. Pot isn't 100% harmless. It contributed to a panic attack that put me in the hospital due to a racing heart that would not slow down. Now, every single time that I smoke, a panic attack is guaranteed, and I am far from alone when it comes to this downside to pot. Of course, in the grand scheme of things, pot is fairly harmless, but I do believe one shouldn't use untill he or she is fully grown/matured. I've seen too many 12-15 year olds screw up their academic careers with the "help" of pot. It certainly wasn't the only contributor, but it played a signficant role, especially in terms of motivation and reward. Once you reach 18, toke away, but I don't think kids should be smoking pot, simply because they are not ready to use it to its full potential. Just my opinion...like I said, for the most part, the good outweighs the bad, but there is certainly a dark side to marijuana use...no doubt about it, imo...
MrIbis
Bluelighter
expothead: my mum isn't a science experiment, it's just an observation over time. I find the whole plethora of issues extremely valid to the debate.
8L4YN3
Bluelighter
Some people in this thread, really do see weed as some wonder plant.
Marijuana use helping schizophrenia patients? Smoking marijuana helping people with lung cancer?
I dont know if you guys have any first hand experience with either of the two mentioned above, but getting someone to smoke a psychedelic drug that comes on almost the instant the gas exchange happends in the lungs, is a fucking disaster waiting to happen with a schizophrenic.
My auntie is in her only little world literally without her daily anti-psyche injections, do you really think giving her a bong instead of those injections would help stabilize her thoughts, delusions, voices and paranoia? It's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
Or smoking marijuana to help lung cancer?
Marijuana use helping schizophrenia patients? Smoking marijuana helping people with lung cancer?
I dont know if you guys have any first hand experience with either of the two mentioned above, but getting someone to smoke a psychedelic drug that comes on almost the instant the gas exchange happends in the lungs, is a fucking disaster waiting to happen with a schizophrenic.
My auntie is in her only little world literally without her daily anti-psyche injections, do you really think giving her a bong instead of those injections would help stabilize her thoughts, delusions, voices and paranoia? It's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.
Or smoking marijuana to help lung cancer?
expothead
Bluelighter
I could be wrong, but I can't see anywhere in this thread people suggesting you should go out and smoke cannabis for lung cancer. We have simply been pointing out some facts that studies have shown... (TripppAR a little over-exuberantly perhaps).
as for the schizophrenia treatment, see the link:
http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/005024.html (on the same page you'll find a link for the cannabis causing schizophrenia).
For the record, I don't think marijuana is harmless. Having said that, I do feel the harms are manageable and relatively minor (for me). Am I suggesting everyone else should use it? Fuck no.
What I strongly object to is the fear-mongering and hysteria that seems to surround the drug as per the original article. And the knockers always seem to be those that can't/don't imbibe - whats up? jealous?