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if i had DMT acetate i'd assume it'd be very acidic thus quite water soluble? IV would be an ideal route for someone looking to totally and utterly breakthru, i personally find a cone of 30% changa (kaapi leaf and dmt mix) and a bulb of nitrous to set it right off the walls.

I've never seen anyone prepare a DMT-hcl salt, and thus have only been able to get freebase... i think i'd try a good prep iv just once.
 
if i had DMT acetate i'd assume it'd be very acidic thus quite water soluble? IV would be an ideal route for someone looking to totally and utterly breakthru
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Because DMT is a tertiary amine, you're producing an ammonium ion (NH4+)-acetate (CH3COO-) conjugate. The acetate should be freely soluble in H2O.

I'm not encouraging you to go with this method of administration, but if you've set your mind on it, you need to be careful not to add too much acetic acid. Use a dilute solution <5% (btw vinegar is not pure enough for IV use) and add one drop at a time, mixing the DMT until all dissolves. Don't add too much, IMing it it will burn like hell.

Also realise the acetate will also absorb moisture, although maybe less so that the HCl salt. Furmaric acid seems to make a better salt as the product is reportedly far less hygroscopic.

Please read up on all available trip reports before deciding to proceed.
 
^I totally agree p_d. It's a viable route for those willing to take the step further into oblivion. I've read some reports of guys going in headfirst with maths questions to ask dmt elves on IV doses of DMT. Sounded pretty strange.

I really don't suggest anyone new to this substance try anything so foolhardy and take things as they come.
 
MrIbis said:
if i had DMT acetate i'd assume it'd be very acidic thus quite water soluble? IV would be an ideal route for someone looking to totally and utterly breakthru, i personally find a cone of 30% changa (kaapi leaf and dmt mix) and a bulb of nitrous to set it right off the walls.

I've never seen anyone prepare a DMT-hcl salt, and thus have only been able to get freebase... i think i'd try a good prep iv just once.
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Bulbs on DMT sure do the trick 8o

Only for the well versed DMT user!
 
SWIM has completed an extraction with mhrb using a food safe d-limo tek which resulted in a yeild of 0.7% from 50g of mhrb.
What SWIM would like to know is how will they be able to smoke it? What would be the easiest way?
Swim doesn't not want to use any more chemicals in the abode.

Assistance will be appreciated.
 
okay, whilst i have no problem with people using SWIM if they feel it protects their identities, lil angel changed all your SWIMS to I in the last post (kingpin 106).

Now if p_d is correct about the product you have, smoking it is probably quite possible, but vaporizing the material with your average glass pipe is honestly the worst way to go about it..

I always find either making a changa (kaapi leaf mix) or placing it on top of some kind of smoking herb in a bong to be the most effective way, and heating it until nice and hot and sucking it down.
 
MrIbis said:
okay, whilst i have no problem with people using SWIM if they feel it protects their identities, lil angel changed all your SWIMS to I in the last post (kingpin 106).

Now if p_d is correct about the product you have, smoking it is probably quite possible, but vaporizing the material with your average glass pipe is honestly the worst way to go about it..

I always find either making a changa (kaapi leaf mix) or placing it on top of some kind of smoking herb in a bong to be the most effective way, and heating it until nice and hot and sucking it down.
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With this method should a bit of herb be placed on top of the goo as to avoid direct contact with the flame?
 
okay now reading what p_d has just said, you might want to consider the IV route if you intend to take the acetate, as it seems the only viable route of administration. or consider freebasing your product.
 
MrIbis said:
okay now reading what p_d has just said, you might want to consider the IV route if you intend to take the acetate, as it seems the only viable route of administration. or consider freebasing your product.
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From what has been read over at dmt nexus thoughts are that this goo is freebase and not acetate since it doesn't smell like vinegar and is a deep dark red colour which has been described as freebase on the nexus
 
^It's all about the final pH. Remember A/B is also used to purify, so if the acetate or whatever salt was further extracted in basic conditions, the product would be a base.
 
^Yeah i full understand that... But obviously our point is, if these processes aren't done, and you are left with an acetate salt, it's going to be acidic, thus also soluble in water, but as a result, quite an unstable product - that is if the process isn't completed correctly to produce a more pure and basic product.. honestly if you're going to create a salt, the most stable would be a hcl salt right?
 
it's a nice 3 and a half hour drive to Orbost;) there's a natural progression happening. 5 years ago there were little wattle trees that had something special about them.

Acacia obtusifolia has slightly darker leaves and they just stand out in a magnificent presence

Yeah the PH is important... we only want the DMT.... it's probably been posted, but this DMT HANDBOOK is spot on and easy to follow. 2kg of dried Acacia obtusifolia yields 6-8 grams of the spirit molecule....


http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachm...help-1st-time-mhrb-extraction-dmthandbook.pdf
 
honestly if you're going to create a salt, the most stable would be a hcl salt right?
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Have a read about the HCl salt of DMT. It's difficult to prepare, at least in part because it's so hygroscopic. There's quite a bit on this if you search.
 
wet or dry?

Sublimit said:
it's a nice 3 and a half hour drive to Orbost;) there's a natural progression happening. 5 years ago there were little wattle trees that had something special about them.

Acacia obtusifolia has slightly darker leaves and they just stand out in a magnificent presence

Yeah the PH is important... we only want the DMT.... it's probably been posted, but this DMT HANDBOOK is spot on and easy to follow. 2kg of dried Acacia obtusifolia yields 6-8 grams of the spirit molecule....


http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachm...help-1st-time-mhrb-extraction-dmthandbook.pdf
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read this tek , im unsure if the bark should be wet or dry, any one know ta
 
I tried to smoke again the DMT changa mix i came across at a bushdoof a few weeks ago. Should have known, no effects at all ( except for my poor lungs ).
 
dry or wet

Sublimit said:
lol he left that out of his guide! dry as a bone
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thanks for the reply Sublimit
sorry missed you quote "2kg of dried Acacia obtusifolia"
would this be the case with all Acacia species?
im looking at using acacia podalyriifolia , bark and leaves
ta
 
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