Codeine Extraction - Part II

[drug_mentor]

So I have just downed 720mg and chopped up a mix, hopefully this goes well.

Took fucking AGES to filter today, coffee filters always trip me out like the time it takes to filter can vary by so much. I wonder if its just because there isn't strict quality controls on coffee filters and the product is inconsistent because for its legitimate purpose it makes little difference?

Codeine+marijuana FTW! Its such an excellent drug combo, I assume most CWE'ers out there smoke with their codeine? DXM I also find is an excellent potentiator of codeine.

OK, so this 720mg is coming up nicely, I have to say this feels more effective than my previous attempts at taking codeine on consecutive days in both of which I just used 600mg. I am definately going to try a similar dose when I have had a week or two off and see if that feels stronger than 600mg.

 

[Moral Decay]

Is the idea of the 'ceiling dose' with codeine based around the fact that the liver can only metabolize so much of it into morphine which will then produce the effects or 'high'?

I ask this because I've read that codeine has other active metabolites. Including codeine-6-glucuronide (C6G), norcodeine and apparently hydromorphone. Though it seems C6G and norcodeine, while being active opioids are extremely mild. And hydromorphone which is much stronger, though only accounts for a very tiny percentage of codeine's metabolites.

Is it possible that codeine could be converted into these other metabolites beyond the point where codeine stops being converted into morphine (if it even does stop being converted to morphine)? If this were the case it would make sense that there would be an increased 'high' in doses past the supposed 'ceiling dose'. I really don't know though, so someone please correct me if this theory is wrong.

I believe that codeine has a primary action also and that it does not get all of its effect from the metabolite morphine. It has some effect prior to being converted to morphine. I get an immediate effect when it hits the blood stream at 1 hours, if it were only the metabolite morphine causing the high i think it would take longer like 2-3 hours to come on. Can anyone prove or repute this claim with any evidence?

 

[face__]

Alot of sources state the LD50 for codeine in an average non-tolerant person as 800mg. .

wow it really is that low. i am not opiate naive but i have a very low tolerance and push on doses of 600mg. i need to ease off me thinks

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ The reason the LD50 is that low is probably because of the histamine reaction. Remember, you develop a tolerance to that as well as the other effects. An overt histamine reaction can be very bad; IV'ing codeine will result in such a histamine reaction that you will effectively start drowning in your own lungs.

These new codeine laws suck. My tolerance was at 1480mg, I'm gonna have to wait a couple of months to do it again. I was watching Herbie Hancock being interviewed by Elvis Costello last night on ABC One, made me want to dose up and chill out to 'Chameleon'...

 

[Romie1092]

Is it a waste of codeine if I try a dose after eating dinner? Or should I save it for another time.

 

[Sustanon]

Is it a waste of codeine if I try a dose after eating dinner? Or should I save it for another time.

Its a waste, the reason why my CWE wernt working partly because i had a massive dinner. If u wanna dose codeine do not eat for 3-4 hours.

 

[face__]

Herbie Hancock's Chameleon. That song is just plain amazing. Heard it when i was 16 and (now) consider it the first decent song i ever liked.

600mg dose and 20mg of promethazine is hugely insufficient to combat histamine reaction. Has anyone experienced a dangerous/life threatening histamine reaction, if so what were the symptoms. My mother once a horrible reaction to a plant whilst gardening. This became serious however only due to infection that followed.

 

[Romie1092]

Its a waste, the reason why my CWE wernt working partly because i had a massive dinner. If u wanna dose codeine do not eat for 3-4 hours.

Ah maybe thats why my last 300mg extract didnt work so well as I had dinner a hour before hand. I'll most likely try a 500mg dose tonight and see what happens.

 

[Sustanon]

Ah maybe thats why my last 300mg extract didnt work so well as I had dinner a hour before hand. I'll most likely try a 500mg dose tonight and see what happens.

Id wait atleast 3-4 days till id dose again. Even tho u had minimal effects ur tolerance is still high from the day u took 300mg. And yea if ur planning to drink the CWE then try not to eat or drink anything for 3-4 hours. Im usually starving when i drink it and then few hours later i eat a bunch of food. I usually order sum pizza, taste so damn good even better than on weed LOL

 

[wwbbs]

Yuck...

Not much noticeable effects after 400mg, I take up to 8x100mg Codeine Contin and the extra 400mg is just to maintain.

Codeine Contin 100mg contains: codeine monohydrate 53 mg and codeine sulfate trihydrate 62.7 mg (each equivalent to codeine anhydrous 50 mg) If you want to potentate the effects add some caffeine. Nothing works better IMHO to get it activated.

IF you don't puke you will be high! That said a codeine buzz is not a morphine buzz there just is not a euphoric feeling. Cannabis helps but you will not want to repeat too often kinda like LSD or Mushrooms while the buzz is good it's not something you want to do every day. I think it has to do with the Histamine effects of large dosages of Codeine which is why it is not overly prescribed in large dosages. Most people are not even aware that it comes in a pure format ie Contin and think the largest is the T4 60/325/0 or T3 30/325/15 codeine/acetaminophen/caffeine.


That said, gimma a fentalyn "Durgesic" patch anyday over all the above... It's the only thing that's ever produced a "nod" for me...

Oh and a warning NEVER TAKE TRAMADOL! It's the devil! It worked for my pain relief but almost killed me in the process. It was by far the worst withdrawal ever! that no other opiate/opioid would relieve. Took about 4 days to get through withdrawal from taking 200mg dosage daily for about 50 days.

 

[CbRoXiDe]

I actually liked tramadol more then codeine. But then again that might of been due to the fact i'd scored a script for the tramadol and have to CWE the codeine .

 

[Mr Blonde]

Oh and a warning NEVER TAKE TRAMADOL! It's the devil! It worked for my pain relief but almost killed me in the process. It was by far the worst withdrawal ever! that no other opiate/opioid would relieve. Took about 4 days to get through withdrawal from taking 200mg dosage daily for about 50 days.

Did you cold turkey? Tramadol, unlike other opioids, has a variety of effects on the brain that lead to a substantially different experience and withdrawal. If I were WDing from tramadol I'd probably try and get my hands on some benzos to aid in the process.

 

[wwbbs]

Yup cold turkey from the Tramadol and it's the worst detox I've ever experienced.

Then again the serotonin syndrome I had. ((caused by co-adminstration of Mirtazapine/Remeron (A Great Anti Depressant), which also works wonders for getting ride of the wierdness of coming off coke/meth.))
I suggest small 7.5~15mg dosage mirtazapine as the higher doses have less of a calming effect. Strange but I believe it has something to do with the histamine effects of the Mirtazapine. If you attempting to stop crack/coke/meth etc or just need to come down without the benzo making you stupid for a week I highly recommend it. Easy to get a script for as well, "Restless Leg Syndrome"

Back to point I would have rather come off a week/month long heroin/meth/coke binge than to experience the detox process of tramadol again. The sad thing is that the tramadol was very effective in relieving the pain caused by stomach/bladder/prostate cancer. Much more effective than even hydromorph which is what the docs have me on now. The tramadol was also a big mood/energy booster when I started taking it but those effects diminished after a month or so of daily prescribed usage. My Codeine script is 800mg daily supplemented with Fentanyl 50ug transdermal, and recently 200mg tramadol now replaced with 16mg twice daily of Hydromorphone Contin.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Do you live in Australia?

Weird that they give you 800mg of codeine a day plus hydromorphone now.

 

[wwbbs]

No another part of the Commonwealth, I apologize if I caused some confusion by posting within the Austrialia/Asia section. I did not want to discuss politics or legalities of the drugs rather the effects of the chemicals on persons body and mind

The codeine btw has been prescribed since before my cancer problems for a severe neck trauma/ injury. I was injured in a farming accident that tore my neck muscles from my shoulders and did some damage on C4, C5, C6 which is only relieved with codeine and I've tried almost every chemical's and other therapies for it and nothing legal works and that also allows me to maintain some cognitive abilities; I'm not using to get high (while that is a side effect) I'm using to try and manage to live a someone normal life what little i have left of it... Illegal drugs... Cannabis works well. (cocaine works but well that really illegal and super expensive not to mention quite addictive but yes it works very well at eliminating my pain and allowing me actually have some recreational fun (as drinking alcohol would probably be suicidal with the levels of narcos in my system.) And the fentanyl and hydromorphone relief the abdomen pain quite well although not as well as the tramadol did work. if the trams didn't fudge with your brain chemistry I might still be taking it over the heavier stuff.

 

[wwbbs]

^ Do you live in Australia?

Weird that they give you 800mg of codeine a day plus hydromorphone now.

it works out to 400mg codeine for the neck & bone pain every 12hours as I've said anything over 400~600mg in a 12h period will only cause dysphoria; imho. The hydromorphone is for the abdomen issues i'm having.

 

[Mr Blonde]

No another part of the Commonwealth, I apologize if I caused some confusion by posting within the Austrialia/Asia section. I did not want to discuss politics or legalities of the drugs rather the effects of the chemicals on persons body and mind

Ah, I dig brother. No problems at all, I was just curious as to your location when you mentioned what you were RX'd.

Could you possibly expand on how you use cocaine for pain relief?

it works out to 400mg codeine for the neck & bone pain every 12hours as I've said anything over 400~600mg in a 12h period will only cause dysphoria; imho. The hydromorphone is for the abdomen issues i'm having.

Strangely at the height of my codeine addiction I got up to using 1.8 grams of codeine roughly in one dose (you lose some in a CWE), recently I got back up to 1.5 grams but have been clean for two weeks and a few days since then.

 

[Crankinit]

Could you possibly expand on how you use cocaine for pain relief?

I can't speak for cocaine, but I've always found amphetamines make me completely impervious to pain. Not exactly practical for long term treatment, but my back pain dissapears completely on a high dose of meth or dexamp. I don't find it hard to imagine that cocaine would have a similar effect.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Interesting, I might have to look into how the pain killing properties of stimulants work.

I was wondering if he was maybe IM'ing or IV'ing the cocaine for anesthetic properties or something. If it has to do with the stimulant effect on the brain, then amphetamines would be a better choice as they are much longer acting then coke.

Crankinit, how long did the pain killing properties of meth and d-amphetamine last for you? The entire duration of the stimulant (long time with meth) or shorter?

 

[Crankinit]

Generally about the same duration as the euphoria does, I find with a moderate - high dose the buzz just overrides any perception of pain. Likewise with MDMA, a number of times I've injured myself while dancing or partying on speed/MDMA and not even registered it until I came down.

That's with fairly middle of the range pain though, I'm not sure how they'd stand up against something severe. Certainly I don't think there's any real argument for trying to use amphetamines as a painkiller over opiates.