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I do not like living this way - the stress of trying to come up with money. Homeless friend came up from AZ, telling my bf he wasn't actually hooked, he'd get a job... Came with suboxone. Then said "i'm just using til i find a job" then didn't try finding one except a couple times for a month and a half. he used up the suboxone on days he couldn't get anything. now he has "medical problem" scam with his parents where he's getting 100-400$ a week. boyfriend started only paying 1/3 of rent since friend's been up here. and then, i've gotten to the point where i'm almost out of school loan/grant money for bills & spending, which is now controlled by my aunt due to some personal irresponsibility & late fees last semester plus a family incident /my mother during a visit over christmas - i'm no longer trusted. so now as i have no spending cash, boyf so sick of there being another person with a problem - he's not going to help me when i can't afford anything - and the friend when he finally GOT work telmarketing, he LEFT EARLY his SECOND night & got fired! and boyf & friend got in this argument that since he owes me rent (but I thought it was clear i wouldn't pay anything til i got a job - sure when you NEVER TOLD us this til here a month or so, and he's putting out almost ZERO effort and! getting all this money from his parents) then he should "help me out" friend ACTUALLY said "How is that fair???" that was hilariously offensive. but anyway, this leaves me going from 3 per day to 1 per day, friend giving 1, using 3 himself per day... so at night at ten hours i'm agitated /dilated pupils/hot/getting sniffly&teary/sometimes hearburn&nausea. then i can't sleep, or at least not sleep much, been spending nights reading on the internet on my phone - in here, newspaper articles, william burroughs & other heroin-related crap, and sometimes look up random trivia. now since there's nothing to come home to, i don't want to go run around on busses & make shit wear off even faster... leading me to miss school, which i've done too much of already. i was to "quit over spring break" thought it was last week, then this week, but it's NEXT week... and how do i get to there? and i found a part time "make own schedule - call on day you want to work" job - which i'll want to go to every day when i have the time = Spring Break. Trying to figure out how to get from day to day, week to week, i don't know how i've done it without screwing people over - just my own bank accounts last year. but i have, and it seems i'm on the tail end of there, meaning i'm not going to be able to "figure out how to finance" much longer, esp considering i told roommate i'd put what he paid me last month into march rent IF he put out effort and found job. he's now putting out a good amt of effort. so as of today, he's paid off. my aunt is now going to be coming at the beginning of the month to pick up boyfriend's "half" of rent, rather than her paying check out of my school money, and then boyf gives me his portion which i spend (now this being one third, it's much harder to maintain habit monthly) there's no way! i can afford to cover the other 200 of the half if friend doesn't pay his 312... i JUST got this job i haven't started yet. friend SUPPOSEDLY was going to pay 100 to put in boyf safe to go to april rent. don't know if that happened... i can't use it anyhow, BUT i don't want to be paying all this extra money. boyfriend has threatened to move out b/c supposedly it's "so stressful" to see us buy drugs, thinking he's "holding the house together" when I* get food, am paying now 2/3 of everything, am the ear, peacemaker, secret keeper, person who explains the other side to the other person... he's also said friend goes or he goes, but now is going down to his mother's or a isit soon, will keep shit ok for a bit longer - plus he won't be here for my detox process, he doesn't want to... he's on methadone and dilaudid permanant pain meds for a shattered spine due to an accident - he's a former addict/now sometime user/binger. don't know - when i don't want to be using, seeing other people use./buy doesn't make me want to - but it does that to my boyfriend - only does it to me IF i'm using at the time & am just out of stuff. it's my own mental state that does it for me. boyfriend desparately wants me on methadone, called a treatment center referral place one night to try to get me into rehab. i tried to explain to the person on the phone i can't detox during school semester, he said, "So you want to be a heroin addict when it's convenient for you." I thought that was hilarious - never been put to me that way - 100 true - those ppl know how to box you into a corner... I laughed but the guy was not amused, at all. i'm SO against me using methadone, why would i want to get off something just to get hooked on something else that has worse and longer withdrawal? if i'm going to be free i want to be free, not stuck making it to a clinic every morning & not even getting high. i'm willing to try detoxing using suboxone tapering, but don't know how to afford that. plus, i'm told it's pointless unless you're 100 percent ready to stop. and i can't say i am, the way i get back on it so fast. i want to try detoxing "my way" one more time - 24 hours or so awake without heroin, then knock self out/or knock into blackout oblivion on mix of soma/klonopin/temazepam/xanax/valium/phenegren for the next couple days (til out of pills) then lots of immodium. but then - after getting off it bc i dont like being stuck on it, i don't like being off it, do it that night, the next, the next, and then the following week i'm back to doing it at least twice per day. i remember i did cold turkey w/o benzos at burning man, stayed off all week, but did it when i went home and "one more day' turned into.... more. and another time, i took some methadone pills at 24 hours and then more on 3rd morning... making w/d pretty bearable! then was off heroin 2 days after that - til i got money. SO! wondering if taking suboxone for a couple weeks and then getting into good work/school schedule would be the key to actually being able to stop? or at least keep it under control. i've been able to control every other drug i've done, even after binge periods. it's so bizarre to me that i even got addicted in the first place, seeing as i see myself as "immune" b/c for example, i smoke, but if i run out of smokes, i have no withdrawals from nicotine, i don't get pissed, just think it would be nice to have something to do ith my mouth! SO! what to do for a person like me? one big reason i do this is i went from a life of frantic activity - positively used anxiety, to a life of nothingness and no people from moving to a tourist town at the economic breaking point - anxiety i can't do anything with - so feel i need to make self complacent with my life... if i can get thru the withdrawals "my way" with benzos "one more time" and then get into a good work/school/saving money to do something better with - will that work? or would i need to ease myself from one to the other with suboxone While i stabilize my life? or am i just likely to go back to it and try to "maintain" all my responsibilities, as i'm not "decided" enough about this issue, and don't have enough "reasons" to quit? i feel like i really want to, tho i often do - and often try - about every 6 weeks... but then there's the part of me that's attached to it all... and then once i'm past the main w/d, i really DON'T want to be off of it...
 
about 2 weeks with no Suboxone, nice. Its crazy how I feel 'better' already I am not walking around in some weird world where I dont like it. My pupils are so big, even with the Tramadol, which I just take 2 50mg and a tiny bit of klonopin I am nervous about the klonopin. I feel normal a bit achy but I dont really know what sober feels like. Besides I am stoned :) I think thursday will be my last tramadol dose and than just fucking deal with it over the weekend and things can only get better from there. Too many drugs so little time, I have even been riding my bike like 5-7 miles a day and lifting weights [something I normally wouldnt do, just because].

I pray this weekend isnt to bad if I can make it to Monday I should be somewhat in the clear, plus its nice out so I wont be laying around at home. I should be writing a paper I have it my head but dont really feel like writing it. Probably will go to a NA meeting tonight and than try to not take either ambien or trazadone to sleep. I have plenty but I just need to be clean from everything it has been awhile in the making and I will be VERY fucking proud of myself if I can do it because shit that shit just about killed me, killed alot of my friends. My hands are shaking now, lol shit, fuck.

Happy though and thats nice and new. :)

Peace,
Seedless
 
It might have helped you a little and it might make the WD last a little longer, but it's anyones guess really. A lot of people ask those type of questions and there are usually so many different variables that it's hard to predict. Tomorrow would only be your 4th day away from tar, so you'd probably be still feeling crappy anyways, so I don't think the vicodin would have set you back too much. A day at most, but it probably wouldn't be AS bad of a WD day as the previous.


Today is day 12 since I last used dope. I'm on suboxone, but feeling pretty good. This is the longest away I've had since January, so it's a start. :) Trying to work on getting a more normalized routine and trying to start setting things up so it's harder to fall back into using. Doing this by setting up more of a support network (my good friend just came back from India =D), exercising more frequently, and just having better organization in my life so things don't feel/become chaotic. I'm going to start looking for a counselor or therapist or something soon too. Just to have someone I don't already know to talk to and go over things with.

I hate to think I'm going to have to get off suboxone again. Definitely not looking forward to that. I'm just trying to gain more time away from using before I make any attempt to get off sub.

My lungs still aren't cleared out though! :! I guess I get closer everyday, but I'm still hacking stuff up. It is helpful at points to see the stuff coming up, especially if I am craving H all of a sudden. It's so frustrating that this happens! I've been running which helps clear it out a lot, but there's still more apparently. Maybe in another week? :\

Hang tough Carl,

I know exactly what you mean with the cravings and lack of control. It's why I came to Maine from Mass in the first place. Unfortunately, it's Oxyland up here but at least I don't care for them near as much. It's really hard to explain how the cravings take over but it's kind of like going on autopilot. I can be bitching at myself the whole way that I'm not gonna do it and it's not gonna happen, but the car just goes there anyway. I'm always pissed off after and swear its not happening again but something always seems to pull that trigger and I'm off again. Its been 2 weeks plus and here's hoping. The damn subo's just don't do much to stop that crave.
 
It took me a couple years shooting dope and taking suboxone before I was fully able to make the switch to nothing but suboxone.

Me I am a nervous wreck and I feel like there is impending doom. I am taking 75mg of Tramadol and tomorrow should be my drop off. I pray things will be good, the past 2 weeks being off suboxone but taking the tram I still felt w/ds everyday but not bad at all. So I am hoping all will be well and I would diminish the w/d in general by what I did with the tram. I have had an opiate in my system just about everyday for the last 15 years and a few years prior I just started using.

So I keep feeling like OH FUCK what am I going to do? I am soooo used to having an opiate to soothe me or rather get me thru the day. I just have to remain busy and positive. Plus school work is just piled on and w/ds [slight] dont agree. I have to force myself. I do have some meds to help me the first few days with nothing, [clonadine, compazine, klonopin, ativan, neurontin, trazadone, and ambien] I just dont know sometimes I am so sick of everything and just want to be happy, I think about just saying fuk it and go back on suboxone and deal with this in another 5 years. Thats just not realistic because subs create some dysphoric feelings and I just dont feel right and it has to go, simple. Its just to easy to keep using. If I make it thru the first 5 days I know I will be able to do it. I am such a fuking wimp when w/d strike or are looming. Things are overall pretty good other than that issue. I recall hearing ZYGGY using tram to step down and she said its wasnt to bad and is still clean, so that makes me optimistic.

Sorry for rambling...

Peace,
Seedless

Peace,
Seedless
 
So this post was inevitable, definitely not the first time I've posted this on this thread, but I *think* I might try to get off of suboxone again. In the last 25 days I've relapsed once, where I used on a Saturday/Sunday. Definitely didn't enjoy it much and have been enjoying trying to get healthy again.


I'm on a low dose of suboxone now, but I always have such a hard time jumping off to nothing. I sort of just have to start getting ready for it since I know it's going to be a few annoying days. For me it's really only 3 things that bother me about getting off of suboxone (I've done it a few times now):

-First is my body temperature gets messed up, where I'm usually incredibly cold. Unless I'm under the covers in bed in which case I'm so freaking hot.

-Second is the lethargy/depression/anhedonia. It makes it really hard to get motivated, and incredibly hard to get out of bed.

-Third is the insomnia. This isn't bad for a night, but when I'm feeling crappy for a few nights in a row, not sleeping starts to really get to me. Plus it makes the other symptoms seem even worse.


I'm hoping to be off by the third week in April.
 
Hey Carl, I've been on subs for the past 3 months taking 4mg when I wake up (around 11a.m) and it lasts all day long. But by the time I wake up I have a hard time breathing right until I take my sub dose, do you get something like this?

Those other symptoms you describe just sound like the inevitable w/d symptoms you get when stopping subs/ any opiate..there's gonna be some discomfort you're gonna have to outlast.

Good luck, and I think unless you are really sure you won't relapse again it would only be a good idea to get off subs when you really feel like it's the "right" time.
 
Fuck- just gotta add my name to the chorus of people trying to get off opiates. For me, it's percs. Got clean last spring, lasted a few months but then thought I could just take a pill here and there starting last july. That plan snowballed down hill really fast but I caught myself. I can't fuck with pills anymore- period. It always goes to the same place where I have no control over this shit.

Now I gotta go through the whole month-long depression thing, anhedonia, sleepless nights. Fuck. Fuck. Please, oh please let this be the last time.

@ Carl- the sleepless nights are the fucking worst and they do indeed magnify all the negative shit that comes with opiate w/d. Even the little annoyances take on lives of their own.

I feel so fucking depressed about all this...
 
As an addendum to the above- if opiate withdrawal comes (and it inevitably will) it's really best if it comes in the spring. It's really beautiful today in NJ and I got out and rode the bike for an hour solid in the sun. If nothing else, I forgot about this shit for an hour out there. I still have that hollow feeling in my head, but at least for now I don't notice it as much....
 
^^ Seconded i went cold turkey off opiates at the end of febuary and holy fuck was i cold. I was also in possibly the coldest city on earth at the time and didnt leave the damn house if i could help it at all while dopesick :! . Granted i would have gone nuts alone but since i had my g/f with me it wasent so bad at all. I don't think i even got the heebie jeebies which was rather nice for a change :)
 
Hey Carl, I've been on subs for the past 3 months taking 4mg when I wake up (around 11a.m) and it lasts all day long. But by the time I wake up I have a hard time breathing right until I take my sub dose, do you get something like this?

Those other symptoms you describe just sound like the inevitable w/d symptoms you get when stopping subs/ any opiate..there's gonna be some discomfort you're gonna have to outlast.

Good luck, and I think unless you are really sure you won't relapse again it would only be a good idea to get off subs when you really feel like it's the "right" time.

I was ready to get off back in October and I did. Then my girlfriend of over 18 months randomly and unexpectedly ended things. I didn't relapse right away, but I feel back into it over those following weeks.

Suboxone definitely helps me stay away from dope, but I was still taking it during all my relapses this past year. The first high might get a little blocked, depending on how far from my last dose I used, but it doesn't completely deter me from using.

Suboxone does take a lot of things away from me too. It makes me more tired, it keeps me dependent on opiates, it makes me complacent, it takes away my motivation to do more than work at this no-degree-needed dead-end-job, it makes me sick when I mix it with alcohol (prevents socializing), etc.

So, if I'm still at risk for relapsing on suboxone, but am missing out on other things, makes me feel like I'd be happier off of it.


You're having trouble breathing? Are you snorting your sub? My lung issues primarily come from using H (snorting or IVing). I have a harder time breathing in the morning sometimes, but it's usually because the congestion in my lungs has moved around and is constricting my breathing until I hawk it up. My lungs aren't nearly as bad as they were after my bouts of using. They bother me if I take a few days off from running though. 8)

I've used 2 days in the last 28 and I STILL have congestion in my lungs. They get really bad....heroin could definitely kill me and not even through respiratory depression or ODing.

Thanks for the response! Congrats on the 3 months! I remember quite a number of your posts/threads from when you were using. Always nice to see people rebound well. :)




As an addendum to the above- if opiate withdrawal comes (and it inevitably will) it's really best if it comes in the spring. It's really beautiful today in NJ and I got out and rode the bike for an hour solid in the sun. If nothing else, I forgot about this shit for an hour out there. I still have that hollow feeling in my head, but at least for now I don't notice it as much....

Definitely agree! I had a number of times through the winter where I had only started dabbling with things again, so I just made myself go through the WDs (although I obviously started using again). The cold would get to me so much! Alls I would think about is how uncomfortable I was, it was awful.

Though, I do remember going into WDs while at work a few summers ago. Not only was I at work and starting to WD (which already is completely awful), but I was outside mowing the lawn on the HOTTEST DAY OF THE SUMMER. :p Out of sheer coincidence, it actually did end up being the hottest day of summer. I really thought I was either going to melt or burst into flames.
 
Though, I do remember going into WDs while at work a few summers ago. Not only was I at work and starting to WD (which already is completely awful), but I was outside mowing the lawn on the HOTTEST DAY OF THE SUMMER. :p Out of sheer coincidence, it actually did end up being the hottest day of summer. I really thought I was either going to melt or burst into flames.

Yeah, Carl, I can totally see how that would really suck. Any extreme in temperature feels bad I guess, but for some reason the cold really, really gets me. Also, when it's warm here on the east coast you can get out and do shit. Exercise temporarily helps me out with the jitters. I guess when the w/d is done I'll be in really good shape b/c I've been exercising every day just to get away from myself in a sense...
 
well hope everyone out there withdrawaling right now is doing alright. I have been on MMT now for almost 3.5 months, I do miss heroin though all the time.....
 
Withdrawing from month-long daily use of oxymorphone now :! Nicotine withdrawals do not help either.

After benzo withdrawals (6mg kpins, 600mg temazepam - not a typo cold turkey thanks to dumbass staff), this is still a cakewalk.
 
2 weeks clean from opiates, still getting aches [minor] and dry heaves. Nothing to major. Best of all no cravings for opiates. Unfortunately I have been taking klonopin 1mg a day for last month after 13 months off. In the back of my mind it worries me but thats just me obsessing over the typical, I want it all gone NOW. Close my eyes really really tight and make it all go away.

I am feeling kinda lethargic and unmotivated but thats nothing new and I place alot of blame on the weather, possibly the benzos, and definitely paws. :) Too chilly today to do anything outside except go out to eat.

peace.
seedless
 
Meh ive been using opiates for years and besides the codeine ive been using erratically and that one dose of morphine i had i havent really been taking anything for over a month. This is not voluntary and i have legit chronic pain and unless they give me marinol or canada gets its act together on medical marijuana and they give me some opiates are the only thing that really stop the neuropathic pain i get.

Since ive came off opiates ive been reminded that im no longer 20 years old and im reminded of the various injuries ive suffered over the years. I have aches and pains like a bitch especially in the knees. Way too many times i banged them up playing hockey and working at really shitty hard jobs didnt help either.

Also these occasional weird withdrawal flashbacks are truely creepy. I'll get sweats down my back and the cold burn when im reminded of something especially some symptom of dopesickness such as stomach cramps. Wtf is up with that shit i mean ive had it before but fuck it never gets easier. My mental state is back to being really bored and depressed alot of the time but i was like that before i went on opiates anyway. I was also depressed alot of the time on the damn things so i don't know how much is the PAWS or just me.
 
I had my first doctor appointment for Suboxone tonight. I will be starting tomorrow. I am so excited, I'm sick of this addictive lifestyle, time to get me back.
 
I had my first doctor appointment for Suboxone tonight. I will be starting tomorrow. I am so excited, I'm sick of this addictive lifestyle, time to get me back.

Good luck! I know it's helped me get away from using a number of times. Have you ever used suboxone before? It's not a miracle drug, you have to do things to help stay away from drugs and eliminate cravings, like exercising and developing new positive hobbies. Nevertheless, I don't think I could have stopped using without it.
 
I just have to add to my peeps on here that if you're in opiate withdrawal, please consider vigorous exercise at least every other day. It's really been helping me. Now, I've experienced two types of opiate w/d

1) where you're really sick and vomiting etc.
2) where you're merely fucking miserable- this can be helped by exercise.

I never do opiates in enough amounts or for long enough anymore to get the first kind. But in the last year or so, i've experienced w/d associated with mainly just misery and exercise really helps. If you're like me, it probably just helps you feel better for a little while- but fuck, man, if you're feeling all jittered out and depressed exercise will give you a break from that shit.
 
I know that's ideal^^, but i could barely move to the bathroom during my heroin withdrawals, so may not work for everyone.
 
Withdrawing from month-long daily use of oxymorphone now :! Nicotine withdrawals do not help either.

After benzo withdrawals (6mg kpins, 600mg temazepam - not a typo cold turkey thanks to dumbass staff), this is still a cakewalk.

no kidding cloud. kicking benzos was the toughest thing i've ever done. the depersonalization made me suicidal for almost two weeks straight.



anyone feel like they're getting better @ having to go thru withdrawals? i feel like i'm getting it down to a precise routine...i've gone thru it enough times by now that i should be able to. but that's a very scary thought b/c it means i'll probably end up deepening my addiction @ some point b/c i'm "strong enough to break any cycle i start." it's bullshit and it keeps me awake at night knowing i can't really control myself. but these are just thoughts and i should be hoping for the best instead...
 
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