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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

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Hi Treacle thanks for your help, I know you are pretty expert in these things. I just wanted to mention on a previous post I mentioned taking l5 htp in conjunction with L tyrosine, you pointed out that the L tyrosine wouldn't be good for G withdrawals, which I was glad you did for others coming off G however in my case I use G with methylphenidate simultaneously to counteract some of the sleepiness effects so in my case it was appropriate - but I was grateful for you singling this out for others as I would hated to misadvise and they have a worse time, and you do know your onions on this subject more than most so am always appreciative of your feedback.

I tried LOADS of strong cammomile tea instead of my usual water as this had been advised and endorsedon another thread and I must admit I was VERY amazed that this helped significantly in addition to upping my l5 htp massively (but I stayed on the same l tyrosine dose) and upped my b vits aot (I only had a strong b vit complex so I am going to get some b12 n it's own now). I also took a few doses of 40mg propanolol.

Still got bucket loads of GBL in the house, it's so easy to get to a day or so off and then slip back up again, and with the stimulant it really messes up the body clock and sleep deprivaion doesn' help. Anyhow.....this lyrica that helps with the gaba receptors I think, I have just found out is POM on wiki so I will skip that.

I am off to the shop as soon as I have pulled on clothes and had a reduced dose of gbl. I am not bad w/d from G yet but haven't really gone longer than a day or so, ridiculously easy to think "f**k it" but scary to read some of the stories as I have only been on and off it for a year, but as soon as I panic bought in Nov '09 my usage upped dramatically, a bit like that Everest climbing quote "because it was there!"

Cheers people

ETA Thanks loulou you are correct 3.5mg is strong dose of Zopi for me, and 7.5mg I pretty much have to take in bed as it kicks in hard, but I've not taken it whilst on G and stimulants. However knowing it's strength I wouldn't dare take 2 of the 7.5mg and would question the safety of it with benzo's esp for a new user. I only wanted it to get my night time routine on track as I have got into a habit of doing the GBL in evening and then stimulants to stay awake and doing it thru the night - bad idea LOL


Listen GOOD LUCK and hope those struggling is kept to a minimum, hang in there it can be done LOVE to those feeling so terrible now...............I have had this with a misprescribed medication that went on for months and was similar to the GBL w/d you lot have described on here. In a way going through that time and time again has hardened me and made me more aware of what could be waiting if I don't step in quickly when the w/d start small with the GBL, as I would rather intercept with small times off it and least w/d than longer usage and more horrific w/d's as what I went through with a legitimate medication that was prescribed in error at a too high dose and then cut down rapidly was like nothing I have experienced before and hammered me on every level. You have a lot of love and support and useful information on here please please use it xxx
 
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Tangerine Dream said:
Lyrica <-> pregabalin
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Yes but it's prescription only in the UK and I don't wnt to ask my GP for ir as I think I can manage without it. I do have benzo's but as I had a short break recently from GBL with jst herbal used to w/d and a 3 x5mg benzo's. t's just that my body clock is messed up due to using stimulants with the GBL, so I am going to try a zopiclone to extend some sleep. I'm late starting the zopiclone but antiicipate it won'y give me the full 8 hours due to recent GBL use, so now seems a good a time as ever to try this and have a longer break from the GBL this time to get my day & night rouie back in to normal tie zoe.

Fingers crossed as I am just about to research the manufacturer of the comany making he zopiclone as it didn't come trough my GP.
 
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Hi all. This may be a fairly stupid question but here goes anyway.

Since many of the withdrawal symptoms of gbl seem to be caused by the buildup of dopamine, could you possibly do something like taking cocaine in order to speed up the process of getting rid of excess dopamine/precursors?

Please noone in anyway take this as a recommendation. This only occured to me but I am so far from understanding the potential consequences.
Just thought someone else more knowledgeable might be able to comment on it.

Also, in response to DS above, during my last withdrawal I took 30mg MS contin every 8 hrs during the worst part (I had 5) and it actually helped hugely. I was chilled enough by the morphine to barely notice I was withdrawing. I hadn't mentioned it before, as again, I could never recommend it. It could well be dangerous, especially given the doses of benzos I was taking. I merely mention it now as it was my experience
 
Don't know about the cocaine, but converting to GHB is very easy and has a much lower potential for addiction.

Give it a go :)
 
^ Yeah, although some people refute this, I definitely found it to be true.
 
I noticed the same.

valleyman: G withdrawal is caused by downregulated GABA-b receptors, not really an excess of dopamine, otherwise a course of benzos would fix the problem. This dopamine theory is old, and doesn't hold water.
 
Its probably glutamate hyperactivity that plays a big role in this withdrawal, some nmda antagonists could help.
 
Benzos can help a hell of a lot. I don't really understand your post treacle?
 
MeDieViL said:
Its probably glutamate hyperactivity that plays a big role in this withdrawal, some nmda antagonists could help.
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My thoughts exactly.

scrooloose: phenibut will get you off G and give you a restful sleep. Taper your doses over a day or two, though. Phenibut withdrawals are fucking brutal.
 
I thought G sleep was good for the first week or two - then you're waking up every 3 fucking hours for more. I find it a pretty piss poor high too - I can't imagine how anyone gets addicted to it.
 
Have you tried Nytol? (or the generic Tesco version). I found it is as good for sleep as G.

I had a couple of frightening memory loss occasions using G to sleep - woke up once and didn't know where I worked for about 20 minutes. I was having a shower and hoping the memory of where I worked would come back to me soon. Put me off it a bit.
 
Ismene said:
I find it a pretty piss poor high too - I can't imagine how anyone gets addicted to it.
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So you keep saying. Just because you don't understand how it can happen, it doesn't mean it doesn't. The high, for some, is excellent.
 
Thanks treacle. Never really thought it would work.

You don't need to tell me about me about my poor GABA-b receptors. Does anyone know if they ever get completely back to normal? I am a little concerned I may have done permanent damage.

Scrooloose I'd recommend you try trazodone if amitryptaline isn't doing it for you. While my doctor wasn't terribly clues up on gbl himself there was an addiction specialist at the same clinic who I also talked to. She wasn't 100% up on it either but contacted other specialists on my behalf who did know what they were talking about. She took great care of me, investigated the more deep seated roots and reasons for my abuse.

I think even if you get clean (done it 3 times now ugh) it's so hard to stay clean if you don't examine the reasons you slipped up in the first place. Trazodone takes a little getting used to but it's helping me a lot along with cbt and finally I feel like I'm in a position to really get over my problem with this substance.

Doctors are there to help. Slowly but surely they ARE getting better at helping people with g problems. Don't try to go it alone. I tried twice and because of that it took the best part of an extra year of my life. To everyone here, please at least talk to your doc. After all, what do you have to lose? I just wish I'd gone to mine sooner. To some extent just being under the care of a doctor has made me feel I'm finally taking control and that's a great thing

good luck
 
Ismene said:
I can't imagine how anyone gets addicted to it.
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I found it to be incredibly addictive personally, despite not finding the high anything special. Once I'd developed a taste for it I found it completely impossible to use with any sense of moderation.

Many people can use it sensibly, but some people run into real problems. Aside from the potential psychological addiction, the serious physical addiction that develops quickly after 24/7 use can't be denied.
 
valleyman said:
You don't need to tell me about me about my poor GABA-b receptors. Does anyone know if they ever get completely back to normal? I am a little concerned I may have done permanent damage.
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I was addicted to it for the best part of 18 months. Its been about 2 years since I last took any and I don't think I caused any permanent damage. In fact most lingering effects seemed to disappear in only a few months.
 
I do take amitriptyline for depression, and I hate that stuff. I'm not depressed anymore anyway. Gonna throw it in the loo.

I still have some GBL left, maybe 15 doses, but I dose once or twice a week, not more, and only 1.3ml when I'm dosing for the day.
 
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