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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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Captain.Heroin said:
LOL, I concur. Why do you like it? Do you get great effects from it? What dose/roa do you prefer?
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I love it because it, and cannabis are the perfect intermediate drugs,. Drugs that i don't have to worry about getting addicted to, or ruining my life, but at the same time quite stimulating/depressing and non circumstantial.

:) I have a fundamental flaw in my personality - I hate being "sober". I can't stand it, it drives me insane. And when I say sober, I don't mean "not on drugs", i mean, mentally inactive - so whenever I have a possible deterrent from that feeling, I will almost always take it. I love physical exercise, I love challenges, I love problem solving, I like activity. I hate doing jack shit, and feeling dull. But I find myself doing jack shit and feeling dull quite often, because of reasons beyond my control (trust me, they are). Drugs come in because I don't have to worry about being bored, but bupe and cannabis are special because they don't leave me too wired or too faded, so I can relax when I need to - and not be bored. Or I can work when I need to - and not be bored.

Because the drugs I use at a certain point in time usually depend on the circumstance I'm in.

Most opiates I like to use when I'm literally doing nothing, for major stress relief or when I'm in pain (which is why I want to get my hands on some H so bad, but fuck Florida :p ) but opiates do such a wide range of things that they can seem circumstantial for really anything, which is also why its easy for me to catch a habit with them.

Benzos I use when I need to sleep, and potentiating opiates occasionally, nothing else.

Stimulants I use for a lot of reasons like opiates. For studying, or when I really don't feel like waking up early and starting the day, or when I fall into an exercise slump, and need to get back on track. MDMA I would only use at a party, or a night at a chill place with some friends

I smoke cigs when my pockets are empty and I have nothing else to abuse.

I drink liquor at parties of course. That's probably it, am not a fan of getting faded alone. But i do love my liq. :)

Psychedelics I would only use with other friends using psychedelics, preferably on a weekend at a house or relatively chill environment

I'm not sure where to put coke.

Bupe/weed are what i use when it seems impractical to use anything else, which is most of the time, and weed goes a little further because I often smoke it while in the company of friends. So even though I go through this long list of which substances to use before I get to these, 95% of the time I end up choosing one or the other because with the two you're guaranteed to not waste a high, because I can always function well while on either, AND I won't be bored. What all this really tells me is, OTC drugs suck. Now with all that said, I haven't touched a controlled substance in about a month, and my life sucks now. Coincidence? :p

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So...withdrawls from suboxone

I was on subs for a H habit about a yr ago, rehab'd , got clean for 4 months, then started messin with hydrocodones.... then i started messin around with suboxone! yea... i know. any ways... i have been taking suboxone since December about everyday minus the weekends, at about 3mg a day. I tapered over 4 days down to .5mg then jumped off on friday, I started having wd symptoms the next day, mild tho. today i woke up (after a shits excuse for sleep) with anxiety, skin crawling, stomach pains, runny nose , eyes watery and yawning non stop. I couldnt bear the wds... i wanted more subs so i took 2 , 10mg percacets at 3pm. Now they r wearing off and i feel a lil ..shitty. but still OK. so my question is... I have Immodium, Ibuprofen, and dramamine for the wd symptoms ill have throughout this week. Im asking, How bad will they be? my symptoms that is... how long will they last? btw... if i get some clonopins what is a good dose to ease the anxiety and for sleep? thank you in advance...so much. you r kind people on these forums :)
 
Ok serious problem...

I've been on suboxone for almost a year, I have always shot it, but back when I lived on my own where I could only buy 1 pill at a time and sometimes couldn't even afford that, I would rinse out my old cottons and shoot that. And from that I could recall getting more of a euphoria than shooting the actual pill. BUT, say I shot my rinsed cottons once in the morning then again in the afternoon(not the same ones, of course), about 30 minutes later I would start getting intense chills, shaking involuntarily, and a BAD headache, you know the kind where you stand up and the blood rushes to your head and it's like sharp pains in your brain, and was basically imobilized and I would basically just pass out and sleep it off. Now I've been back at my parents for 4 months, and suboxone is no longer giving me any kind of buzz or euphoria, which it used to if I waited long enough between doses, usually 8-12 hours. Anyways I remembered back when I rinsed my cottons and got that euphoria, so desperate for a high I rinsed some cottons(I always save my cottons just incase something happens) and I guess I rinsed too many and I went into that state I mentioned before, but this time it was way more severe, I ended up waking up having to puke, still freezing and shaking, and them shapr pain brain headache was worse than ever, and my muscles felt really tight, I finally made it to bed thinking I would just wake up the next morning and would be fine, but that was Friday and it's Sunday now and this head ache is still pounding, the chills and shakes are gone, but I can see veins in my head pumping like i'm angry or something.

I explained this to someone before and they said it was the particulate that the cottons filtered from the pill and that my immune system is trying to attack it. But I'd like to hear what you guys think. I'll let you know if this pounding headahce is gone tomorrow, I'm corssing my fingers I haven't done any permanent damage.
 
You said they were already MILD right?

You have ibu (i prefer aspirin) and immodium on hand? I'd think they would be pretty non-existant (in relative terms). Take the k-pins to sleep obviously but only if necessary. I'd wait and hop in to bed and try to sleep on your OWN first (because the sooner you start doing that naturally, the better) then determine after a certain while if you need the k-pins. I always took a really steamy shower before bed and even through withdrawal would manage to work in inducing sleep sometimes.

I also remember having good experience with Claritin-D. The non drowsy kind would rid myself of all the allergy and sinus problems that come with w/d, and it would even shockingly give me a very light buzz similar to what I can only describe as a very faint opiate high. I'm sure no one else has experienced this except me so I'm not even going to bother asking.

Oh yea and no alcohol - seemed to only make the problem worse for me anyway.
 
IndigloSpaz said:
Ok serious problem...

I've been on suboxone for almost a year, I have always shot it, but back when I lived on my own where I could only buy 1 pill at a time and sometimes couldn't even afford that, I would rinse out my old cottons and shoot that. And from that I could recall getting more of a euphoria than shooting the actual pill. BUT, say I shot my rinsed cottons once in the morning then again in the afternoon(not the same ones, of course), about 30 minutes later I would start getting intense chills, shaking involuntarily, and a BAD headache, you know the kind where you stand up and the blood rushes to your head and it's like sharp pains in your brain, and was basically imobilized and I would basically just pass out and sleep it off. Now I've been back at my parents for 4 months, and suboxone is no longer giving me any kind of buzz or euphoria, which it used to if I waited long enough between doses, usually 8-12 hours. Anyways I remembered back when I rinsed my cottons and got that euphoria, so desperate for a high I rinsed some cottons(I always save my cottons just incase something happens) and I guess I rinsed too many and I went into that state I mentioned before, but this time it was way more severe, I ended up waking up having to puke, still freezing and shaking, and them shapr pain brain headache was worse than ever, and my muscles felt really tight, I finally made it to bed thinking I would just wake up the next morning and would be fine, but that was Friday and it's Sunday now and this head ache is still pounding, the chills and shakes are gone, but I can see veins in my head pumping like i'm angry or something.

I explained this to someone before and they said it was the particulate that the cottons filtered from the pill and that my immune system is trying to attack it. But I'd like to hear what you guys think. I'll let you know if this pounding headahce is gone tomorrow, I'm corssing my fingers I haven't done any permanent damage.
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This is why we advise never to do cotton shots!

Are you on antibiotics yet?

DangerChamber said:
I would have them but I've been on sort of a hiatus since November of last year (no money or job).
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I feel you man, tough situation. I also have no money and no job at the moment. Trying to work my way up.
 
New Idea on Suboxone/ Buprenorphine

I think this is my first thread: What's up bluelight.

I came to bluelight to learn more about the chemistry of certain psycedelics and proper use and harm reduction of opiate related drugs. I am a suboxone therapy patient and have done extensive self testing which I plan to post case studies in the future or tips help on the matter.

I ran across an article I will post up about the way suboxone blocks opiate receptiors:

It is said and it has been questioned (although I believe it to be true) that Bupe or more in particular Suboxone and Subutex have a ceiling dose of 32 mg that is of Buoe after that the user will feel no more of the drug effects than he is already in the state of feeling. This Bupe doc basically said they break it down into a number 32 divisible by 4s much like 100 is each 8mg sub - 8mg suboxone are the most widely prescribed in the US i believe. So for each 8mg taken sublingually as instructed you are only flooding or blocking 25% of your opiate receptors, 2 50% and so on. This makes sense and I will post the article when I go back and find it I'm just typing now. BUT at the same time I was on 32mg for 6 months and have just been switched to 24mg . I did some very high quality east coast boi ,china white , gear, whatever and i felt the effects through the sub, and I just key bumped it to taste it. A week later I came across some k8s and shot 24mg IV I'd been off a 2 sub a day regimen and felt very little rush although I caught an extremely late nod.(gotta stay lower when K8s and good H is around, I'm young , a sub patient, but also chronic pain patient and K8's ived are like my back is having an orgasm all the pain is gone.

BUT BACK TO THE POINT - Has anyone else heard this theory? It seemed relatively new as like I said have done extensive self experimentation with bupe and tried almost every question asked on bluelight about it. But I would like to hear some comments repsponses, subject only please, dont chastise me about shooting when i was on my subs either if you had 3 deginerating discs for the past 4 years starting at 21 and now 25 and bad scoleosis youd want something strong too thats why i did H. PEACE

CH$
 
Ha! Least I know someone feels me.

I guess the best part about this 4 possibly 5 month vacation is that I feel like my brain is back to complete normal, which is good cuz everything I take is as euphoric as can be. It's like im a virgin again. =D
 
morphinanymous said:
I think this is my first thread: What's up bluelight.

I came to bluelight to learn more about the chemistry of certain psycedelics and proper use and harm reduction of opiate related drugs. I am a suboxone therapy patient and have done extensive self testing which I plan to post case studies in the future or tips help on the matter.

I ran across an article I will post up about the way suboxone blocks opiate receptiors:

It is said and it has been questioned (although I believe it to be true) that Bupe or more in particular Suboxone and Subutex have a ceiling dose of 32 mg that is of Buoe after that the user will feel no more of the drug effects than he is already in the state of feeling. This Bupe doc basically said they break it down into a number 32 divisible by 4s much like 100 is each 8mg sub - 8mg suboxone are the most widely prescribed in the US i believe. So for each 8mg taken sublingually as instructed you are only flooding or blocking 25% of your opiate receptors, 2 50% and so on. This makes sense and I will post the article when I go back and find it I'm just typing now. BUT at the same time I was on 32mg for 6 months and have just been switched to 24mg . I did some very high quality east coast boi ,china white , gear, whatever and i felt the effects through the sub, and I just key bumped it to taste it. A week later I came across some k8s and shot 24mg IV I'd been off a 2 sub a day regimen and felt very little rush although I caught an extremely late nod.(gotta stay lower when K8s and good H is around, I'm young , a sub patient, but also chronic pain patient and K8's ived are like my back is having an orgasm all the pain is gone.

BUT BACK TO THE POINT - Has anyone else heard this theory? It seemed relatively new as like I said have done extensive self experimentation with bupe and tried almost every question asked on bluelight about it. But I would like to hear some comments repsponses, subject only please, dont chastise me about shooting when i was on my subs either if you had 3 deginerating discs for the past 4 years starting at 21 and now 25 and bad scoleosis youd want something strong too thats why i did H. PEACE

CH$
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I think you have the general idea. There's more to say on it, but overall it's a lot easier to break through Suboxone when you're on a much lower dose of it. I would get a pill cutter and taper down to 8mg or less, that should be a lot easier to get high at that point. :)
 
DangerChamber said:
Ha! Least I know someone feels me.

I guess the best part about this 4 possibly 5 month vacation is that I feel like my brain is back to complete normal, which is good cuz everything I take is as euphoric as can be. It's like im a virgin again. =D
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Good to know! Yeah I don't have much of a benzo tolerance at all. I still get pretty high off of 7.5mg temazepam (equivalent of 3.75mg diazepam).
 
for the past 4 months ive shot my subutex 1-2 times a day max. using only two diff. spots on my arm. lately the vein has developed scar tissue but ive also noticed white spots on my skin around the injection sites. is this anything to worry about?
 
needlejuice said:
for the past 4 months ive shot my subutex 1-2 times a day max. using only two diff. spots on my arm. lately the vein has developed scar tissue but ive also noticed white spots on my skin around the injection sites. is this anything to worry about?
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Is it painful? Is it inflamed?

I would find different veins to use, you don't want scar tissue to develop.
 
needlejuice said:
for the past 4 months ive shot my subutex 1-2 times a day max. using only two diff. spots on my arm. lately the vein has developed scar tissue but ive also noticed white spots on my skin around the injection sites. is this anything to worry about?
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to help get rid of the scar tissue so you can resume using that vein start putting neosporin on it and cover it with moist heat (like a hot damp towel or something, a microwave heating pad works) a few times a day, applying the neosporin before the heat every time. it will help the neosporin absorb into the skin and neosporin helps get rid of scar tissue. thats why everytime after i IV after im done putting pressure on the site for a couple minutes with a tissue or something clean, i put on neosporin and its worked so far.
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
to help get rid of the scar tissue so you can resume using that vein start putting neosporin on it and cover it with moist heat (like a hot damp towel or something, a microwave heating pad works) a few times a day, applying the neosporin before the heat every time. it will help the neosporin absorb into the skin and neosporin helps get rid of scar tissue. thats why everytime after i IV after im done putting pressure on the site for a couple minutes with a tissue or something clean, i put on neosporin and its worked so far.
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Or if you can get triple antibiotic ointment, you can use that one time per day.

As deezy explained, your skin recovers much quicker when in a warm, moist environment.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Or if you can get triple antibiotic ointment, you can use that one time per day.

As deezy explained, your skin recovers much quicker when in a warm, moist environment.
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neosporin is tripple antibiotic ointment lol i should have said that instead of neosporin since thats a brand name. my bad..

EDIT: tea tree oil and vitamin E oil also help skin heal faster.. but thats basically for burns but it does work for all types of healing of the skin. just another suggestion.
 
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