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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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Captain.Heroin said:
Buprenorphine can be very stimulating. Maybe you need to try lowering your dose a lot?

I use 0.1mg at a time and can stay up for 6 to 8 hours due to a dose.

Restoril helps me a lot too, and 30 pills would last me a lot longer.

I would try combining an antihistamine with Restoril. That's helped me out tremendously.
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Yeah well you also IV that 0.1mg of Suboxone and you do it multiple times over a day.
So 0.5mg's IV'd, due to the B/A, I would THINK that would be equal to like 2mg's snorted or 4mgs Sublingual...?


usually take about 1mg in the morning (insufflated) and then another 1mg dose (insufflated) around 4pm-6pm... I also notice that I sweat at night while sleeping..its weird like ill wake up and the sheets under me will be all sweaty and shit, but as soon as I wake up the sweating totally stops - then ill fall back asleep and wake up 20mins later with the same issue - sweating but then as soon as I wake up i stop. . its like annoying as hell
 
JahRed24x said:
Yeah well you also IV that 0.1mg of Suboxone and you do it multiple times over a day.
So 0.5mg's IV'd, due to the B/A, I would THINK that would be equal to like 2mg's snorted or 4mgs Sublingual...?
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The BA is 100% for IV, and ~30% for sublingual, and 50% for insuffulated.

The duration for IV doses doesn't last nearly as long either.

usually take about 1mg in the morning (insufflated) and then another 1mg dose (insufflated) around 4pm-6pm... I also notice that I sweat at night while sleeping..its weird like ill wake up and the sheets under me will be all sweaty and shit, but as soon as I wake up the sweating totally stops - then ill fall back asleep and wake up 20mins later with the same issue - sweating but then as soon as I wake up i stop. . its like annoying as hell
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Maybe your tolerance has dropped down so 1mg is more than necessary. I would try 0.5mg snorted.

The sweating thing - some people sweat a lot due to buprenorphine. It doesn't effect me at all but my fiancee can sweat so profusely I can feel it on the other side of the bed. I'm not exactly sure what role buprenorphine has in hyperhydrosis but it appears that some link exists.

Buprenorphine is a drug that you can gradually start taking less and less of, and you should still get the same effect out of it as long as you abstain from taking full agonists.

Just an idea, if you tried using half as much (or slightly less) but it didn't work as well or the side effects were still as strong, I am sorry to hear that.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
The BA is 100% for IV, and ~30% for sublingual, and 50% for insuffulated.

The duration for IV doses doesn't last nearly as long either.


Maybe your tolerance has dropped down so 1mg is more than necessary. I would try 0.5mg snorted.

The sweating thing - some people sweat a lot due to buprenorphine. It doesn't effect me at all but my fiancee can sweat so profusely I can feel it on the other side of the bed. I'm not exactly sure what role buprenorphine has in hyperhydrosis but it appears that some link exists.

Buprenorphine is a drug that you can gradually start taking less and less of, and you should still get the same effect out of it as long as you abstain from taking full agonists.

Just an idea, if you tried using half as much (or slightly less) but it didn't work as well or the side effects were still as strong, I am sorry to hear that.
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Yeah I don't know, I have tried all different dosages to no avail. But I do know that the only thing that can gurantee me a good nights rest is unfortunately a benzodizapine or a strong opiate (full-agonist) - well for opiates I wouldn't necessarily say I always get a good nights rest due to the sometimes awkward positions one can find themselves in while visiting the Land of Nod.
 
JahRed24x said:
Yeah I don't know, I have tried all different dosages to no avail. But I do know that the only thing that can gurantee me a good nights rest is unfortunately a benzodizapine or a strong opiate (full-agonist) - well for opiates I wouldn't necessarily say I always get a good nights rest due to the sometimes awkward positions one can find themselves in while visiting the Land of Nod.
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I know where you're coming from though. Heroin and a few benzos have been the only drugs to give me good sleep at night.

Have you tried other insomnia medications?
 
going to move this to OD to be merged with the suboxone megathread
 
Using Suboxone to kick a pod habit, are all pod habits considered "weak"?

I've been reading through the pod thread and the bupe thread and its very difficult to find pod users using bupe to kick.
Most people in the bupe thread aren't pod users. And most pods users in the pod thread mention very little about bupe.

Maybe theres on post in one of those threads about this, but I couldn't find anything really relevant so I made this thread. If it needs to be moved I'm not sure which thread is more appropriate (bupe or pod).

I have read over at opiophile that an avg jumbo has 6-8mg of morphine. And I was also reading about how pods are being bred for high thebaine levels, so if anything its possible that avg is old, and morphine contents in pods has actually reduced over recent years.

I'm just trying to figure out where my habit stands before I jump on bupe.
EVEN IF you use a lot of pods, say 15-20 a day. Even if you do 20 pods a day, thats what a 140mg/day morphine habit? That doesn't really seem like "heavy use" to me.
My avg dose has to be 40-50gms a day.
Figure about 6-8 pods a day. I was initially thinking this would be considered "heavy" I'm not sure what I was thinking but it seems like a joke of a habit almost. I DO get very bad wds though which is why I got the bupe. I had no luck tapering off the pods alone.

My question is, should I start off with 2mg or 1mg? And should I wait 24 hours or 36 after my last pod dose? The bupe thread is impossible to derive anything from because people talk too much about what they prefer.
I don't wanna know what people prefer I wanna know whats right and works.

I got so excited seeing people kicking pods habits with just 1-2 bupe and I have 30 so I'm ready to put this beast to sleep. If noone can help can someone at least point me to a better thread to research? I've be reading through the bupe and pod thread for the last 3 days and am finding almost nothing about pods addicts using bupe. There are very short stories that pop up but I haven't seen one really address whats the best way for pod users to use bupe. Any help I would really appreciate!
 
There are people who use buprenorphine for pod habits. It's not abnormal.

140mg of morphine per day is a moderate habit. More than a mild habit, but it can certainly get worse.

Any opiate habit can be bad enough psychologically speaking to require buprenorphine or another ORT to help you off of the habit.

I would recommend starting with 2mg. You can always reduce your dose later.

What "works right" for any one person might vary, we can't give you a definitive answer, sorry man.

I would start taking 2mg, and titrate your dose up or down (eventually down) from there as time goes on.

30 Suboxone pills (especially if they are 8mg) should be plenty to help you kick the habit. :)

-> Suboxone Mega Thread
 
Thanks Captain you are always hard at work keeping this place in order I appreciate it. Not trying to anger anyone sometimes I get confused where to post things.

I think 2mg will be a good starting point. I was worried about taking 1 then having break through wds but I didnt realize you can take 1mg an hour later. I'm still trying to educate myself about bupe just got them yesterday. Thanks! I think either way it should be enough to cover the wds and as long as I keep the dose moving down (or up at first) then you are right I dont think this should be a problem.
If I do start running into issues at least I know this is the thread to ask.

thanks!
 
Bojangles69 said:
Thanks Captain you are always hard at work keeping this place in order I appreciate it. Not trying to anger anyone sometimes I get confused where to post things.

I think 2mg will be a good starting point. I was worried about taking 1 then having break through wds but I didnt realize you can take 1mg an hour later. I'm still trying to educate myself about bupe just got them yesterday. Thanks! I think either way it should be enough to cover the wds and as long as I keep the dose moving down (or up at first) then you are right I dont think this should be a problem.
If I do start running into issues at least I know this is the thread to ask.

thanks!
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Glad to hear I could help out!

Yeah, if you want to take 1mg, then in an hour another 1mg, it's just as good as using 2mg in the first place in my opinion.

Dosing slower can help avoid unwanted side effects. Either way though, 2mg wouldn't be "too much" for a lot of people.

The only tip I would give you is make sure you're in full withdrawal first, so you avoid precipitated withdrawal. Best of luck!
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Glad to hear I could help out!

Yeah, if you want to take 1mg, then in an hour another 1mg, it's just as good as using 2mg in the first place in my opinion.

Dosing slower can help avoid unwanted side effects. Either way though, 2mg wouldn't be "too much" for a lot of people.

The only tip I would give you is make sure you're in full withdrawal first, so you avoid precipitated withdrawal. Best of luck!
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Ok great thanks Captain!
 
And I would like to say one thing because lately I feel like I've been given a new chance at life and this site is LARGELY responsible for that.
I got into pods about 5 years ago and since have only been able to maintain 14 months clean after a detox treatment. Since losing insurance I've felt largely imprisoned to my habit and addiction.

Over the last 2 months I tried tapering 3 times (once with tramadol) and it was always too "up and down". I would still get these terrible cold flashes and pain breaking through the tram. The 3rd time I gave up I really sank into a funk, a terrible one for the last few weeks. I mean I was driving home some days at night practically tearing thats how bad I didn't wanna take my pods. Very near the point of cold turkey which I know would have failed anyway.

But these last few weeks I've been doing so much reading, found this thread but still had no bupe. I basically started to tell myself "bupe is the only way I have a chance at living a normal life" and whether or not its true to do believe it.
When I finally did get a nice supply (which took forever) just having them in my hand it really was like the gorilla on my back was reduced to a baby chimp or something. I haven't been this hopeful or optimistic for the last 2 years easy, and whether or not bupe IS some miracle pill, just feeling this way has been such a huge motivator to murder this little baby chimp.

I don't have some therapist to thank, I don't have some detox or NA, not my family, I have THIS SITE to thank. For making me understand how evil and insidious opiate addiction really is, and that even when you have 14 months clean, you CAN slip up the first day you start to lose respect for opiates. Thats how it went "I have over a year clean it won't be a big deal", then BAM right back into active addiction, bye bye sober life. I almost in a way felt accidentally tricked back into my addiction, and its made this second time around so much worse.

But I DO have a lot of hope for this bupe, I know somewhere deep down I have an urge to do this for good now, and I just have never felt this optimistic in my life.

No more wasting hundreds of dollars a month on maintenances doses. 5 days a week for me are maintenance. MORE of my money goes to preventing wds then it does to the 2 days a week I actually try to get high and am left always wanting more.
No more does my sleep cycle have to be raped by pods.
No more do I have to feel like a powerless slave to pods.
NO MORE do I have to time out every order perfectly, devoting my life to mailmen who are essentially my doctors. The way I plot and plan, weigh doses and prebag for the week is SICK. I'm like a g/damn robot who can't enjoy anything unless his dosing regimen is always being maitained, and its sooo hard to do with pods too.

I'm just really thankful for this site. One day I may turn around and look at my life, having all the things I dreamed off, once and for all being off this shit, and I'm gonna turn around and look at this site and know its compltely responsible for me having found a new way of life. Thank you all sincerely! (and no I'm not high nor did I even start my bupe yet, actually waiting or wds for another day)
 
Bojangles69 said:
Thank you all sincerely! (and no I'm not high nor did I even start my bupe yet, actually waiting or wds for another day)
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Sounds good man! I felt the same way, the first buprenorphine dose decreased the feeling of "gotta get high now" almost immediately to the point where toughing it out was ten-fold easier.

Every opiate from poppy pods to heroin can cause issues in one's life, so I'm glad to hear you're planning for your recovery. :)

Feel free to let us know how it goes for you.
 
Withdrawal's

Long story short, was on opana for about a year, heroin for a year, and suboxone, for a year. I finally decided to get off my suboxone and become sober and i think i was down to about .25-.125 mgs a day maybe even less. my last dose was 60 hours ago. I have been kind of sick the past 2 days and today the third i was even more sick but i took a nap and now i feel completely fine... is there any chance the worst is over?
 
If you were on sub for a year, even if towards the end you were at .25 I still see no chance of wds ending soon at all. I think it depends how long you were on that last dose really. But as powerful as subs are, and as long as you've been on them, I can't see how you even feel completely fine now.. unless the wds haven't even really started yet.
I would imagine you'd be sick for a couple weeks, but I'm just starting bupe myself tommorow or the following day so I'm not sure. From what I think though I think you have a long way to go. I could very well be wrong and I hope I am because that just means subs are a lot better then I thought. (wd wise)

edit: and this will prob be moved to the sub thread as you're asking about sub withdrawal.
 
Well, if your daily intake was .00000001 mgs. "for a year" and your bupe regimen was only a few days then you're clear. If not, then maybe not ( hard to say since all your stats aren't provided )
 
Started at 4 mgs a year ago... then down to 2 and basically from 1.5-.5 for 3 months and .25-.125 for the last month.
 
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