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weekend addiction said:
I'm a christian pothead and know plenty of christian potheads but most of them seem to think that God doesn't like marijuana...even though the Bible doesn't say shit. 1100 pages and not one mention.
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Haha, I remember talking about this with my dad a while ago. He had nothing to say other than "it is just not accepted by the church, and if the church doesn't accept it then God doesn't".

I told him then why wasn't this written in the bible?

There are too many pages (especially in the old testament) that you really don't need to read or know. Why read 10 pages about what type of altar was built, what tools were used, and what the measurements were all around the altar, etc. What good is it to know all that?

I'm pretty sure people smoked herb before the bible was written, so I still haven't gotten a good answer as to why it's not mentioned in the bible at all.
 
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Serious said:
Haha, I remember talking about this with my dad a while ago. He had nothing to say other than "it is just not accepted by the church, and if the church doesn't accept it then God doesn't".

I told him then why wasn't this written in the bible?

There are too many pages (especially in the old testament) that you really don't need to read or know. Why read 10 pages about what type of altar was built, what tools were used, and what the measurements were all around the altar, etc. What good is it to know all that?

I'm pretty sure people smoked herb before the bible was written, so I still haven't gotten a good answer as to why it's not mentioned in the bible at all.
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Not to mention all the genealogy shit that takes up 100 some pages. Also the church doesn't reject cannibus, certain sects of North American churches reject it. In Europe, particularly Switzerland and the Netherlands, I'm sure the church looks on it differently. It's not our church that determines our attitude toward cannibus but our culture and our laws.
 
Noboru Wataya said:
umm...either you're a HUGE flaming troller or you're a conservative christian trying to post in a Cannabis Discussion thread. Thanks Bill O'Reilly. You're not a douche at all.

sorry for not respecting your faith. if i offended you, accept it. you're right, i'm right...who cares? but seriously, i'm way more righter.

what perspective can you really have concerning pot? have you smoked weed?


Does anyone else other than me want to shake evangelical christians until they aren't crazy anymore?
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I smoke every day :\

I don't get it, what's wrong? Are you offended by my defense of marijuana use?

Edit: To clarify what I was saying... I think that smoking ain't wrong at all. It's all the hype people give it that really screws up relationships and communities.
 
mr.dopeman said:
cannabis made me go from an atheist to an agnostic because it made me think tht saying you are sure there is no god is as arrogant as claiming you know there is one. I don't think anyone can be sure and thats why i switched to agnostic.
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I like to use Dawkins' 1-7 scale
1 = absolutely sure of there being a god or gods
7 = absolutely sure of there being no such deity/ies

I, as well as Dawkins, place myself at 6.9. I'm pretty sure there isn't a god, but as you stated that would be no better than theists.
Cannabis has helped me realize a LOT about the universe; which, in turn, 'confirmed' (no pun intented) my atheistic views. I live right now for physics, it is more fascinating than any other thing around, and high, well, it's even better.

I'm just glad my COUNTRY is a tiny bit tolerant of atheists (Obama, inauguration speech). I'm like one of 5 non believers in my town though. the other 1995 people hate me for it lol. Fuck small towns in rural kansas.
 
I was also raised Presbyterian but it was very liberal and I was taught that all religions are a path to what's called God.

I have friends who are Christian and very liberal Roman Catholics who are devout yet still smoke herb and support legalization/decriminalization.

Also I know more than a few devout Jewish people who go to temple and are not Orthodox or Hassidic but smoke herb.

LSD not herb got me way more into Buddhism.
 
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appah said:
Check out this theory of mine....

Satan really does a lot of his work through drug use. He gets miles and miles out of smoking weed.

Take this youth group i'm volunteering at, for example. What's wrong with a kid getting toasted then coming to youth group? Sure, smoking might be a negative influence in his life, but that's up to debate. Where Satan really does his work is in the aftermath... In the parents finding out and calling the volunteer leaders, in the leaders getting in trouble for knowing about the drug use, in the staff members of the youth group getting in trouble for not monitoring the group better, in the broken relationships that result from disagreements around drug use policy.... it's terrible!

Satan gets miles and miles out of this old rusted out ford pinto called smoking dope. and the initial act of smoking isn't even where the damage is done!

society, pot, religion- they all fit together terribly.

one day I'll be a religious revolutionary figure who really gets people to see the good side of the green plant.
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I don't understand how you can still believe Satan does his work through the use of drugs, if you do drugs.

Look at how I view it;

Your mind is composed up of a bunch of interconnected parts all put together to form a conscience (to the best of my knowledge). We know, through science, that occasionally things get a little out of order up there. For example, in the cases of sex offenders. Some places in Europe have shown that castrating the offenders eliminates the urge to rape/molest etcetera etcetera. Once the cause of the hormonal imbalance is removed, no more 'sinning'. Now I don't think molestation or rape is a socially acceptable practice, but rather it isn't FULLY the offender's choice. Yes, they know right and wrong (in society), but as we all know hormones are very influential in decision making. How then, can any god, place such offenders in eternal damnation? If the god were to be omnipotent, prior to creating the human race, wouldn't he see that human bodies are NOT perfect? That they're looking down upon actions caused solely because they fucked some things up in the body? If there were sins, why were offenders born with hormonal imbalances, that in essence, predetermined the afterlife of the sinner?
 
Zildjian said:
I don't understand how you can still believe Satan does his work through the use of drugs, if you do drugs.

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Your missing the point of what he's saying. He's saying Satan uses the fucked up legal codes to put people in jail, break up families, etc. which leads them down the wrong path. The stigma associated with drug use can leave some people thinking there is something wrong with them and that Jesus doesn't care about them. Satan can use everything, even good things to fuck with people.
 
Marijuana has definitely kept me well connected to spirituality. I think if I ever joined an organized religion, I would keep marijuana in my life the same way it is now.

Marijuana has motivated me to seek out the mystical, symbolic, and esoteric side of traditional religion, rather than what's taken at face value in most churches and temples. I feel like I could be at home in any house of worship full of truly good people, because I see beneath the surface layer of the stories and symbols that are presented.

I really don't know if I'd be any different if I'd never gotten into marijuana, though. Based on most of the replies here, most people's worldviews weren't effected all that much in any direction by their use of marijuana.
 
weekend addiction said:
Your missing the point of what he's saying. He's saying Satan uses the fucked up legal codes to put people in jail, break up families, etc. which leads them down the wrong path. The stigma associated with drug use can leave some people thinking there is something wrong with them and that Jesus doesn't care about them. Satan can use everything, even good things to fuck with people.
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Sure, smoking might be a negative influence in his life, but that's up to debate.

that part i saw, and also, if you're going that route, it's racism that caused marijuana to be criminalized, also psychologically implemented. Families lead children up to believe in a god, also racism. lol @ satan
 
weekend addiction said:
Your missing the point of what he's saying. He's saying Satan uses the fucked up legal codes to put people in jail, break up families, etc. which leads them down the wrong path. The stigma associated with drug use can leave some people thinking there is something wrong with them and that Jesus doesn't care about them. Satan can use everything, even good things to fuck with people.
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amen brother, weekend here gets my drift.

Satan, he uses everything, yes, but he has his tools. very potent ones. little portals that people can jump into and end up in a world of shit. drug use, the stigma around it, the fear, the obsession that some have against it - that's a major in for satan!

don't get me wrong, i love the reefer - it's just a touchy subject with most people and causes a lot of division. esp. around religion.
 
appah said:
amen brother, weekend here gets my drift.

Satan, he uses everything, yes, but he has his tools. very potent ones. little portals that people can jump into and end up in a world of shit. drug use, the stigma around it, the fear, the obsession that some have against it - that's a major in for satan!

don't get me wrong, i love the reefer - it's just a touchy subject with most people and causes a lot of division. esp. around religion.
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I'm sorry i've misunderstood you lol, but I still think my point stands
Your god created us, laws, and satan, and everything, so isn't your god at fault?
 
Zildjian said:
I'm sorry i've misunderstood you lol, but I still think my point stands
Your god created us, laws, and satan, and everything, so isn't your god at fault?
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Hmm... that's always a big question within theology - Did God create "sin" to maintain a balance in the world? Is Evil necessary to keep Good as pure and potent as it is?

I like to think that God created all things good, and all was once perfect. Somehow, evil seeped into the world. Deceit, malice, anger, murder. Law and judgement are a result of this.

I love to think that God created the herb for enjoyment. Don't you think its funny how plants have so many organic compounds that effect the human brain? We have such an intimate and mystical connection to plant life. I love it.
 
appah said:
Hmm... that's always a big question within theology - Did God create "sin" to maintain a balance in the world? Is Evil necessary to keep Good as pure and potent as it is?

I like to think that God created all things good, and all was once perfect. Somehow, evil seeped into the world. Deceit, malice, anger, murder. Law and judgement are a result of this.

I love to think that God created the herb for enjoyment. Don't you think its funny how plants have so many organic compounds that effect the human brain? We have such an intimate and mystical connection to plant life. I love it.
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I thought a god was the only thing "existing" prior to creation? And why must there be sin on earth if heaven has none? mustn't they be fairing okay in heaven without sin?
 
Good questions....

Perhaps what holds heaven in its high and holy existence is hell beneath.

Kind of like matter and anti-matter.
 
The misconceptions about Christianity in this thread are so grossly stupid it's almost offensive. I'm sure if you ever understood the teachings of Christ, you realize it is a lot more complicated than your stupid little meme. Firstly in that what you are exaggerating is not Christianity but Catholicism. If anything posting that picture is very stupid and shows little understanding of Catholic tradtions.

Don't get me started about the mushroom shit. That is literally the stupidest rebuttal of Christianity I have ever read. A few coincidences that anyone could dream up based on random photos and medieval Catholic art? Give me a break.

Calling religions that worst thing ever is even more ignorant. No God put a gun to someones head and made them do something awful in the name of religion.

I suggest you study the teachings of Jesus and the meaning behind his death and resurrection before comparing it to previous religions and saying it 'plagiarized'.


This thread = shining example of why people see potheads as fucking idiots

P.S. I am an atheist
 
I don't think cannabis had much of an effect on my religion or lack of religion. I had already turned church off several years before I started smoking. It did however make me more cynical and make me question things a little more. More stuff about society not so much my religious views. Psychedelics have had a much bigger impact on those.

I'm still scratching my head about some DMT trips I had almost a year ago. Good times. Now DMT can make...shit I still can't explain....but yeah go extract some DMT.
 
And why must there be sin on earth if heaven has none?
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The traditional Christian answer is that God gave us free will, and obviously that entails the possibility of us freely choosing to sin. Heaven has no moral agents, and thus no possibility of anyone behaving immorally.
 
so then in that sense, if you were to rape in heaven, it wouldnt be immoral?









all im saying is I'd rather that if there is a god/being or whatever, id like to discover it/him/her in my own way, not being TOLD by someone who doesnt know shit.

people saying "youll go to hell yadda yadda". how do they know, did they bring back a t-shirt when they went there on vacation?
how does anybody know what exists?

IMO this is another unanswerable question of life.



i have NO problem whatsoever though with people choosing to follow a religious faith.
their life, their choice, and if it betters them as a person then good, im glad.

just leave me to find out on my own please.
 
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