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Marijuana and Religion

^No problem. It's not something I can really explain fully in one post per say, but I'll give you some basic Catholic/Christian related imagery (I have other religions I can explain and show evidence for, but I'll stick to Christianity for now unless you would like more), some Bible excerpts/explanations and a documentary you can watch when you get a chance (that will explain it much better than I could in one post or even a few):

Few basic facts:

Jesus is always looking to his right (on the cross) Sun rises in the East

The idea of the 3 wise men is astrological in origin; the four animals around Christ represent the four cardinal signs of the Zodiac. The 3 wise men (or shepherds) properly known as kings, represent the constellation of Orion through which the soul of "great kings" was believed to incarnate and then depart. The figure of the virgin Mary represents the night sky. Christ is born into the sign of Virgo, aka, "The Virgin," Joseph the Carpenter looks towards the heavens.

12 Apostles + Jesus = 13, 12 Signs of The Zodiac + Sun = 13. Jesus being an anthropomorphism of the Sun.

Bible excerpts pertaining to the Mushroom and visual evidence:

Exodus 16::

Manna - a small round thing on the ground that appears after the morning dew and turns to mush when the sun waxes hot.

Ezekiel 4:15:

Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.

John 6:

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world. Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.

Unfortunately, the newer international versions of the Old Testament no longer say "small round thing" as did the King James, but it says "small flakes on the ground" and it will probably change again in later versions. The point is, this manna changes throughout the passage of time and interpretations always move this "Bread of Life" a little farther away from the mushroom...

Exodus 16:3

And the children of Israel said to them, O that we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh-pots, and when we did eat bread to the full: for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger

into this wilderness midbar (mid-bawr')
a pasture (i.e. open field, whither cattle are driven); by implication, a desert; cow pasture.

Two things; when the Mushroom is in its final stage, it begins to concave and then resembles a goblet shaped cup. So, if morning dew is sitting in there for a while it will be a translucent red. This is where the idea of drinking the "blood of Christ" comes from. Although, I doubt anyone would drink the dew in recent times after finding an Amanita Muscaria, when they could just eat the mushroom itself. It was more ritualistic to drink the "blood" rather than actually being necessary.

Jesus being a dualistic anthropomorphism of both the Sun and the Amanita Muscaria mushroom. As the story of Jesus depicts the experience of "death" and re-birth after consuming an A. Muscaria (and many other psychedelics that also give a similar "ego-death" or ++++ experience)

Also, centuries ago, consuming mushrooms were mainly for the rich, as you can tell by some of the earliest forms of currency which featured mushrooms (Liberty Caps) or the Caduceus on the coins. The Caduceus is still used today for the exchange of "drugs." Therefore, peasants would also want to be able to experience the effects of the active Mushroom. It wasn't very uncommon for a peasant to drink the urine of a person who consumed the Amanita Muscaria, because they would also get the same effects as one who had eaten it.

Visual evidence on this occult knowledge:

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medieval artwork showing emperor Constantine

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Christian artwork featuring the "sacred mount"

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The Great Canterbury Psalter, as shown below, clearly depicts Jesus as the guardian of the sacred mushrooms Amanita Muscaria, Psilocybin Cubensis, and other plants; Syrian Rue Pod (Peganum-Harmala), even Opium Poppy Pods

The Red Mushroom on the right is clearly the A. Muscaria. The next one is obviously the Psilocybin Cubensis, because it's Blue. The one after that strikes a resemblance to a Syrian Rue pod, shaped as a Mushroom, which happens to match this in color as well as similar structure. On the left it appears to be the depiction of an Opium Poppy, only pictured as a Mushroom.


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Here is the full portrayal of the Canterbury Psalter, illustrating the very familiar story of Genesis in the 12 signs of the Zodiac. The sacred mushrooms and plants are seen throughout the story.

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Notice in the 8th window pane, there is a large Green "Mushroom" that the Jesus-like character presents to "Adam and Eve," perhaps this is Cannabis?

Also, in the 9th segment. It's the scene of Eden with the Serpent. The entwined staff is actually the stem of the Mushroom itself. At first it looks sort of like the A. Muscaria, but also appears to be much like the Psilocybe Mushroom. However, when we zoom in closer, it seems as if there's many different tiny Mushrooms inside of the larger mushroom.

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Documentary on this subject:

Pharmacratic Inquisition - Astrotheology & Shamanism in Religion

Books you should read:

Astrotheology & Shamanism: Christianity's Pagan Roots (Jan Irvin, Andrew Rutajit, and Nicholas Zervos)

The Holy Mushroom: Evidence of Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity (J.R. Irvin, Jack Herer, and Jan Irvin)

The Sacred Mushroom & The Cross (John Marco Allegro)

The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth (John Marco Allegro)

Food of the Gods (Terence Mckenna)
 
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i was raised a presbyterian, but kind of started rejecting religion in general around 14 or 15. typical teenage rebellion, etc. i still don't identify with a particular religion, but marijuana (esp. in combination with distance running) has definitely made me a more spiritual person.
 
weed has really broken down my personal barriers involving religion
questioning everything that i was taught as a kid was hard but it had to
happen all this happened because of weed all those long hours just
sitting and thinking
 
I never have belonged to any religion, and smoking marijuana didn't (and never will) change that.
However, it helped me cut through the layer of bullshit I usually use to surround my pure spirit, and to see all the way to my spirit.
Marijuana has helped me become closer to god.
It helped me see - or, I should say, experience directly - that god is within myself.
(And all other living beings.)
It helped teach me to trust my intuition more, which I now consider one of the most profound teachings I have experienced.
So, huge spiritual effects, but nothing related to religion.
 
Honestly, cannabis has made me think more about my religion in a more positive aspect and has also helped me to understand and accept. Other compounds (2c-e for example) have also brought me to a very emotional state at where I felt very close to my savior. I have more trust in god since the use of substances than I did before I used.

<3
 
Stroonz that is some of the whackiest shit I've ever read. I would bet a lot of money on the hunch that you haven't studied Christianity holistically rather you were spoon fed some BS from youtube videos and the like.
 
OK then I take back what I said about where you got your info but it still doesn't change the fact that what you've posted is a far cry from a holistic view of Christianity. I mean you're basing 1/2 of your post on artwork that really has no connection with what Christians believe to be the word of god or anything like that.
 
...has no connection with what Christians believe to be the word of god or anything like that.

That's because the Bible is a blatant plagarization of; The Tanakh, The Nag Hammadi, The Mazzaroth, and The Dead Sea Scrolls. They predate Christianity and Catholicism by many, many years. Yet, all the stories in these documents/artifacts are nearly identical to the ones found in the Bible.

It's hard to understand, because the lack of data really available, but besides the books I mentioned in my initial post (and actually taking time to read these ancient texts). The only real evidence available is in artwork and symbolism.

Read some of those books, once you start getting into it you cant get out of it. :)
 
The Bible is a collection of some of those texts, not a plagiarized version of them. From a quick search the Nag Hammadi seems to have been written after most if not all of the "Bible" was written. Which parts of the Bible were taken from Mazzaroth?
 
From a quick search...

It is plagarized because they modified it deliberately to their liking, along with completely coding or removing certain parts of it. The mythographers carefully edited it, because it was meant to be an occult piece of information. So that the people who read it, grasp a different story than those who wrote it (or actually can read it in its archaic, esoteric form).

The Nag Hammadi is older than the Bible, many of the stories in the Bible come from it. Do some actual research on the subject, like reading the books mentioned (and not Wikipedia). The Mazzaroth is technically the Zodiac; making many of the stories in the Bible subtextual code for astrological events.
 
marijuana has made me a lot closer to God.

i even plan on giving a lesson to my youth group while high =) (i would have something to go off of lol, wouldnt just pull it out of the air)

A bit unrelated, but....

Helll yeahhh!

I love leading youth group. And rocking the ganja. Together.
 
personally, i dont have a problem with people having faith.
faith can be a very good thing, and people's beliefs/faiths have helped them through a lot.
the thing i have a problem with is organized RELIGION.

so much of the truth behind christianity (it is the worst for it) has been lost and skewed to the point that
so many of its followers barely know what they're being told.
"amen" being a class example.

(if i go into detail this post will be huge, so ill leave it to you to research yourself people, im far too baked)





personally, I'd rather people believed in something because they truly believed, rather than believing in something out of fear of what happens if you
don't believe.

the way i play it is, I'd rather live my life the best i can, do what i think is right, be happy, and come to my own conclusion at the end of my life.






there very well may be an all seeing, all knowing presence or entity out their,
it could be like the "god" that bender meets in futurama,
or it could be nothing, and just the result of a hyper-compressed chemical reaction inside a marble a la Men In Black.










who knows, i for sure don't, and i don't care to spend my fleeting life finding out an impossible answer...


















PS- not religious in any way but i DO believe that Eden, edin, edan, etc existed.
look into it :P
 
I was raised in a baptist family, and my parents were always against any drug use. I started smoking weed at around 16 and that's also when I started questioning my own beliefs. I guess I could say that marijuana allowed me to see things differently.

I still don't know what or who to believe in.
 
Check out this theory of mine....

Satan really does a lot of his work through drug use. He gets miles and miles out of smoking weed.

Take this youth group i'm volunteering at, for example. What's wrong with a kid getting toasted then coming to youth group? Sure, smoking might be a negative influence in his life, but that's up to debate. Where Satan really does his work is in the aftermath... In the parents finding out and calling the volunteer leaders, in the leaders getting in trouble for knowing about the drug use, in the staff members of the youth group getting in trouble for not monitoring the group better, in the broken relationships that result from disagreements around drug use policy.... it's terrible!

Satan gets miles and miles out of this old rusted out ford pinto called smoking dope. and the initial act of smoking isn't even where the damage is done!

society, pot, religion- they all fit together terribly.

one day I'll be a religious revolutionary figure who really gets people to see the good side of the green plant.
 
i can solve this one for EVERYONE in here. marijuana is badass and people written about in the bible probably smoked some. the bible however is not badass. it's a good read with some good teachings but has been used to develop religion. religion is actually the WORST FUCKING THING IN THE WORLD.

what else is there to debate?

if this post ended the posting in this thread i'd give myself a high-five right on my ass-cheek
 
Check out this theory of mine....

Satan really does a lot of his work through drug use. He gets miles and miles out of smoking weed.

Take this youth group i'm volunteering at, for example. What's wrong with a kid getting toasted then coming to youth group? Sure, smoking might be a negative influence in his life, but that's up to debate. Where Satan really does his work is in the aftermath... In the parents finding out and calling the volunteer leaders, in the leaders getting in trouble for knowing about the drug use, in the staff members of the youth group getting in trouble for not monitoring the group better, in the broken relationships that result from disagreements around drug use policy.... it's terrible!

Satan gets miles and miles out of this old rusted out ford pinto called smoking dope. and the initial act of smoking isn't even where the damage is done!

society, pot, religion- they all fit together terribly.

one day I'll be a religious revolutionary figure who really gets people to see the good side of the green plant.

umm...either you're a HUGE flaming troller or you're a conservative christian trying to post in a Cannabis Discussion thread. Thanks Bill O'Reilly. You're not a douche at all.

sorry for not respecting your faith. if i offended you, accept it. you're right, i'm right...who cares? but seriously, i'm way more righter.

what perspective can you really have concerning pot? have you smoked weed?


Does anyone else other than me want to shake evangelical christians until they aren't crazy anymore?
 
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