Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[KnowBudz]

Sure it does, but the effective blocking dose varies among individuals.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

Here's a question - does taking a daily dose (2mg - 8mg) of Bupe raise your tolerance to other opiates? Specifically, Oxycodone and Morphine? I was on it for two months before a relapse and ended up overdosing because my tolerance was so much lower than I thought it would have been.

It really depends on a number of factors, most importantly what your tolerance was like before the bupe. If you were taking huge doses of morphine and oxycodone previous to the bupe and the bupe you were taking was substantially lower, then your tolerance would decrease over time.

Other people switch to bupe from relatively small habits and it raises their overall tolerance because bupe is quite potent. Most people who have a large heroin/morphine/oxy habit and maintain on a pretty low dose of bupe will notice a decline in their tolerance to the full agonists.

Always be cautious when you are going on bupe from full agonists or back to full agonists from bupe and start low if you aren't sure.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

has anybody heard of this non-opioid analgesic named Flupirtine ?Got a few dozens of them 100mg tabs and I'm curious how these would interact with Buprenorphine since other stuff like Tramadol happens to synergise pretty good for me when taken together with Bupre.

 

[asouthern]

first post outside of the new member intro so try to go easy on me if i break any rules!

this morning (monday) i ingested (sublingually as instructed) 4mg of sub simply because it was all i had around and was hurting bad and needed to be at work within the hour. from what i've read on this forum already, subs probably aren't the best for trying to keep WD's away but I had been out of my norcos since sunday morning when i ate my last 4 (10/325.) the 4mg of sub has helped tremendously, as i had hoped, but i'm not trying to kick my habit quite yet. this was just a last ditch effort because i can't go to work, where i have to interact with people pretty much all day in a professional environment.. no offense, but i don't flip burgers for a living so being in pain and sweating bullets simply wasn't an option for me today.

i'm rambling, but i am curious as to how long i should wait before taking any kind more norcos. i understand that this has been discussed over and over, but from the research i've done i get mixed opinions and it can be somewhat confusing. again, i just took 4mg of sub, the first time i had ever taken sub and i typically ingest around 20 norcos a day. i understand the damage i'm doing with the amount of APAP i am taking in but i do try CWE whenever possible to try and save my liver but it's simply not always an option. the 4mg of sub has done wonders for me this morning, i feel fine. but tonight i would like to be able to relax the way i typically do. i have a hunch that's not going to be a possibility but was hoping that since this was the first time i have taken sub and that it was only 4mg that maybe the effects of the bupe would go away faster since it was my first time using sub.

thank you for any kind of help and i apologize if this question has been asked and answered a million times over.

 

[bupropion]

I wish I could find a doctor to prescribe Temgesic for my headaches. It probably is less impairing than butalbital or clonazepam and the kappa antagonist activity might help my "Psychotic Disorder NOS" especially visual hallucinations from taking a bag of morning glory seeds a year and a half ago.

Can it replace benzos effectively for anxiety?

 

[asouthern]

first post outside of the new member intro so try to go easy on me if i break any rules!

this morning (monday) i ingested (sublingually as instructed) 4mg of sub simply because it was all i had around and was hurting bad and needed to be at work within the hour. from what i've read on this forum already, subs probably aren't the best for trying to keep WD's away but I had been out of my norcos since sunday morning when i ate my last 4 (10/325.) the 4mg of sub has helped tremendously, as i had hoped, but i'm not trying to kick my habit quite yet. this was just a last ditch effort because i can't go to work, where i have to interact with people pretty much all day in a professional environment.. no offense, but i don't flip burgers for a living so being in pain and sweating bullets simply wasn't an option for me today.

i'm rambling, but i am curious as to how long i should wait before taking any kind more norcos. i understand that this has been discussed over and over, but from the research i've done i get mixed opinions and it can be somewhat confusing. again, i just took 4mg of sub, the first time i had ever taken sub and i typically ingest around 20 norcos a day. i understand the damage i'm doing with the amount of APAP i am taking in but i do try CWE whenever possible to try and save my liver but it's simply not always an option. the 4mg of sub has done wonders for me this morning, i feel fine. but tonight i would like to be able to relax the way i typically do. i have a hunch that's not going to be a possibility but was hoping that since this was the first time i have taken sub and that it was only 4mg that maybe the effects of the bupe would go away faster since it was my first time using sub.

thank you for any kind of help and i apologize if this question has been asked and answered a million times over.

after more research i've decided that i'm basically done with opiates for the next day at least, probably 2 considering i don't have the world's fastest metabolism. not necessarily a bad thing i'm just kinda disappointed that i won't be able to get jellied out tonight and maybe tomorrow.

ah well. there are definitely worse things that could happen to me

 

[oneswtwld]

what would happen if I decided to have a little poppy pod...

is there any way that that could help me to "come off" the subs?


also, C.H. - you are IV'ing your subs... i was thinking of that to stretch it out.

will taking it sublingually make the w/d's easier than IV'ing?

peace and love... havent taken an subs since 6pm yesterday.... i don feel TOO BAD

 

[oneswtwld]

I exercised a lot when I was on heroin, but also after I quit as well. Exercise can be really helpful for WD symptoms. Let me know how it goes for you man, best of luck.

You exercised while of heroin? I thought I would have passed out if I Did that....

 

[Trigeminal]

The advice I can give you is try to space out your doses as long as you can. Now adays, 2mg sublingually can stretch me a whole day if I really need it to (not the main way I use suboxone..but when I "have" to...).

So your proposed tapering schedule has been working pretty well for me. I am taking 2 mg sublingually every 3 days (can't stretch it to 4 or 5 like I could w/ 8mg), but around 72 hours I start sweating like a pig.

Do you think cutting down to 1 mg every 3 days would work, or would it just prolong the inevitable and the best course of action would be to just try loperamide + NSAIDs (+possible klonopin if my friend comes through on Wednesday)?

I know you can't predict with certainty how any 1 individual will respond, but you seem like a smart guy and always know what you're talking about, so I would definitely appreciate your advice.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

has anybody heard of this non-opioid analgesic named Flupirtine ?Got a few dozens of them 100mg tabs and I'm curious how these would interact with Buprenorphine since other stuff like Tramadol happens to synergise pretty good for me when taken together with Bupre.

I couldn't find out too much about it...and I'm not sure how it would go with buprenorphine. It is a mystery to me as of right now.

Here's a question - does taking a daily dose (2mg - 8mg) of Bupe raise your tolerance to other opiates? Specifically, Oxycodone and Morphine? I was on it for two months before a relapse and ended up overdosing because my tolerance was so much lower than I thought it would have been.

It can, but my tolerance is down to 0 and I still use buprenorphine throughout the day, every day. It varies a lot.

If you're switching off of buprenorphine, you should start slow with opiates. You can always take more, not less.

first post outside of the new member intro so try to go easy on me if i break any rules!

this morning (monday) i ingested (sublingually as instructed) 4mg of sub simply because it was all i had around and was hurting bad and needed to be at work within the hour. from what i've read on this forum already, subs probably aren't the best for trying to keep WD's away but I had been out of my norcos since sunday morning when i ate my last 4 (10/325.) the 4mg of sub has helped tremendously, as i had hoped, but i'm not trying to kick my habit quite yet. this was just a last ditch effort because i can't go to work, where i have to interact with people pretty much all day in a professional environment.. no offense, but i don't flip burgers for a living so being in pain and sweating bullets simply wasn't an option for me today.

i'm rambling, but i am curious as to how long i should wait before taking any kind more norcos. i understand that this has been discussed over and over, but from the research i've done i get mixed opinions and it can be somewhat confusing. again, i just took 4mg of sub, the first time i had ever taken sub and i typically ingest around 20 norcos a day. i understand the damage i'm doing with the amount of APAP i am taking in but i do try CWE whenever possible to try and save my liver but it's simply not always an option. the 4mg of sub has done wonders for me this morning, i feel fine. but tonight i would like to be able to relax the way i typically do. i have a hunch that's not going to be a possibility but was hoping that since this was the first time i have taken sub and that it was only 4mg that maybe the effects of the bupe would go away faster since it was my first time using sub.

thank you for any kind of help and i apologize if this question has been asked and answered a million times over.

You can take it whenever you're ready. Now that you're on Suboxone, you can take opiates. If you're looking for the effect to be positive and 100% like it used to be originally, then at least wait until you're back in WD's (or until the Suboxone has 110% completely worn off, and then some).

It's really up to you. Precipitated WD's only occur when you take Suboxone with opiates already in your system.

I wish I could find a doctor to prescribe Temgesic for my headaches. It probably is less impairing than butalbital or clonazepam and the kappa antagonist activity might help my "Psychotic Disorder NOS" especially visual hallucinations from taking a bag of morning glory seeds a year and a half ago.

Buprenorphine is prescribed for pain, I'm just not familiar with doctors actually doing so. Buprenorphine can be helpful for mental disorders, what "psychotic disorder" or issues do you have?

Do you still experience hallucinations/visuals after having eaten LSA? Did you take too much? How long did the acute effects last?

Can it replace benzos effectively for anxiety?

I think so. IMO it's a 50/50 sort of thing. You can still definitely be anxious to the point where you want to take a benzo/something else for anxiety. For real. However, the effects of buprenorphine are very, very calming, and will definitely meet me half way in trying to feel better from being anxious/frustrated/in a bad mood overall.

Even when I only take 150mcg at a time, it's a very positively influential drug.

I wouldn't try to "replace" buprenorphine for benzos though, especially with short acting benzos which need to be taken several times a day.

Opiate addiction, even if it's not like typical opiates and you don't fiend out for it or anything, isn't positive. Then again I hear benzo dependency is worse.

If you have the self control to use buprenorphine responsibly, then yes it is excellent for anxiety. Otherwise, it can be bad just like a benzo addiction if you let it (I don't think many people could be 'addicted' to buprenorphine like one is to alcohol, crack, meth, heroin, etc...but I have met one person. )

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Injecting Suboxone

what would happen if I decided to have a little poppy pod...

is there any way that that could help me to "come off" the subs?

I'm not familiar with the effects of PST/PPT, sorry.

A lot of things can help you with coming off of buprenorphine... weed, benzos, antihistamines, sleep, exercise, eating well, being around people, sex...plenty of other drugs (if you don't have an addictive pull for them).

also, C.H. - you are IV'ing your subs... i was thinking of that to stretch it out.

will taking it sublingually make the w/d's easier than IV'ing?

peace and love... havent taken an subs since 6pm yesterday.... i don feel TOO BAD

Taking it sublingually should make the WD's easier. I feel more inclined to take more buprenorphine after I have IV'd it. Taking it sublingually helps me go the longest without taking more. Plus the sublingual effect is longer.

IVing buprenorphine can help you "stretch it out" but then again it has a shorter duration....so it's hard to say.

I would say some people can help stretch out buprenorphine by shooting it but I don't want to say it's a good idea...some people would go through more Suboxone IVing it than they would sublingually.

You have to plan for the fact that you'll probably want at least 2 injections throughout a whole day, at the most 6-8 of them (or even more if you're a trigger happy/needle happy injecting drug user - people who say they are 'addicted to the needle'). You also have to plan for the fact you'll want to break up your dose into a much smaller amount. It 'hits' you all at once, so there's no need to IV 2mg of you sublingually use 2mg. If you sublingually use 8mg, even IVing 2mg would be a lot.

So knowing this, you're going to probably be looking at 2-4 injections per day.

If it's going to actually be "stretching you", you want to save yourself at least 50% of your material. If you sublingually use 4mg/day, you'd want to be shooting 0.25mg, maybe 0.5mg at the most at once. For someone who uses 2mg/day sublingually, 0.125mg or 0.25mg shots are ideal (less can be better, but this is just on average).

Plus, you'd want to start instantly tapering down with IV use. The idea is, if you still get part of your dose hitting you "instantly", you're not going to feel bad if you're used to 1mg but instead you get 0.5mg or w/e. You still have half your dose hitting you at once, so relief will be felt (even if the rush isn't as strong) Then as you adapt to the smaller dose, you'll be ready to go down even more.

Another down side to IVing - without being able to use HR products (luer lock needle/syringe, micron filter, bacteriostatic water, vial, etc) you will have to prep each shot as it is needed.

This means, instead of using your pill sublingually, once a day (or w/e times you use it per day) - you're going to be preparing 2-4 shots each day. It'll take a few minutes. It doesn't sound that bad when you think about it for one day. I did this for a year. Each 3-5 minutes spent making a shot added up quick. 365 days in a year, 15-20 minutes a day. That means about 4 days worth of last year was spent creating the next shot. 4 days out of the year is 1% of the year. It would be nice to have micron filtered the whole time, and have that 1% of time back. *shrugs* I spent more time on BL, maybe I need to log off LOL!

Without using a micron filter, you will want to be extra careful injecting - missing can be more detrimental than a missed shot from a vial (obviously depending on where you miss, how much, etc).

So I guess what I'm trying to say is, IVing Suboxone can be better than using Suboxone sublingually, but it can also be worse.

For tapering/quitting purposes, the sublingual ROA is not bad! There really is a reason to use it sublingually, and I still do sometimes.

I hope this helped you make up your mind. When I was looking at BL/before I joined, no one talked about the ups and downs of IVing Suboxone. I probably would have saved a lot of Suboxone tablets if I knew 2mg was a large amount to IV at once and I probably should have started w/ 1mg or somewhere around 500-1000 mcg per shot (instead of 2000 mcg/shot).

I like to think my experiences have helped you all out a lot - so please let me know if what I'm saying sounds/is realistic. I know I'm not the only person who started IVing buprenorphine...for any of you all out there who did/thought of it, did this make sense to you, did it help you make up your mind on if you wanted to IV it or if it's worth it or w/e?

I'm sure you all have plenty of questions - I'll be back later after I get my shot going. %)

Overall, for a year I didn't micron filter my solution and I managed not to get any IV complications. I am not alone here, but I am also not unanimous when I say this. Plenty of people have gotten abscesses or worse from shooting things like Suboxone. The Case Studies thread is made up of real people who messed up when injecting drugs. If you ARE going to IV anything (Suboxone included) - please do your fair share of reading up first! I know that's why I joined here - I was on a mission to find out if Suboxone was IVable (in any sense of a real, safe way). I really had no idea...funnily enough I never read the pamphlet that came along w/ the RX until after I tried it (and found out it didn't cause precipitated WD's). When I first got here, many people didn't know you could IV Suboxone, and said it would cause Precipitated WD's, WD's, IV Complications, the works.

So really it's good to have gotten here to prove them all wrong, but I also want to do the responsible thing by best explaining to you all the ups and downs of IV use. There's plenty of other things you have to consider/think about as an IDU (injecting drug user), and there's a lot of precautions you need to take as an IDU. There's a wealth of information here on BL. Take advantage of it. Don't inject anything before reading up as much as you can, even though sometimes you'll never know what's awaiting you within a 1mL insulin syringe. Nothing I read could have prepared me for one experience I had intravenously injecting 100mg of MDA.

You exercised while of heroin? I thought I would have passed out if I Did that....

lol

Yeah I did, and I did it pretty often too. I snorted heroin primarily (ironically IVing heroin for me was definitely a nice experience but I didn't like how short lived it was, I prefer snorting heroin despite the orgasmic rush of IV heroin), and I never did so much I would have passed out while exercising. At least I didn't plan doing so much I'd have passed out exercising. There was maybe 3 occasions I did too much unknowingly.

So your proposed tapering schedule has been working pretty well for me. I am taking 2 mg sublingually every 3 days (can't stretch it to 4 or 5 like I could w/ 8mg), but around 72 hours I start sweating like a pig.

Do you think cutting down to 1 mg every 3 days would work, or would it just prolong the inevitable and the best course of action would be to just try loperamide + NSAIDS (+possible klonopin if my friend comes through on Wednesday)?

I know you can't predict with certainty how any 1 individual will respond, but you seem like a smart guy and always know what you're talking about, so I would definitely appreciate your advice.

I'm glad the schedule I made for you has been working so far. I am surprised 2mg will still take you 3 days though! You are probably a slow metabolizer, but I'd take that as a compliment. It's interesting that 1/4th of your dose will last you 3/5th of the duration.

Cutting down to 1mg every 3 days would work I am sure. If it didn't last as long for you, then I'd see how long it did last. if 1mg lasts you 2 days as opposed to 2mg for 3 days, then you're still getting more out of taking 1mg. 25% more out of it actually. I would keep tapering down until it's not effective to take any less (if there is ever a point where it doesn't), or jump off where you feel most comfortable.

You could just stop taking 2mg every 3 days, though I'm sure 1mg would be easier to jump off of. Especially if you stayed at 1mg for a few weeks.

It's good to know that I am actually help you out with this, I know that it is hard to predict individual responses but I do feel that I can give pretty good advice despite having limited knowledge of the case. Thanks for appreciating my advice...it actually means a lot to me. It pains me to see others not follow my advice. And I mean not following it to a T...but at least believing me when I say things.

And when I say that, it's nobody online I mean. There's someone IRL (in real life, meaning not on Bluelight or the internet lol) who is dumb like a mule and didn't listen to me time and time again, and now they've fucked themselves over to the max. It's a long story...sorry for sidetracking.

 

[PinK~cloud]

hey you guys, long time no see. I dropped by to ask a question about sub lingual suboxone versus nasal suboxone. First, a little background on my situation. I'm out for christmas break right now. after 8 months on suboxone i had decided with my doctor that i was going to taper off and quit suboxone during my christmas break, since im at home and could relax. He gave me 30 clonidine. i've been snorting my suboxone for many months now, mostly because i've been at such low doses and its a pain to absorb the little chunks; i ended up losing some and taking more because i feel like it doesnt work. Anyway, christmas break rolled around and i was still using about a 2mg tablet a day, broken up into three parts to take over the day, so about .65mg or whatever a dose. I decided i should stay on and try to work myself lower, but as soon as i tried to do .5mg a dose, 4 times a day, i started to feel shitty and so on. I ended up going back to a third of a tablet three times a day, and sometimes i would take a half if i wasnt feeling good.
My big problem with these low doses is that i have to continually take more and more every few hours because it wears off and i start to feel bad. Because of this i sometimes have to break my 1pill a day rule and that sucks, because my doctor and my family end up thinking i'm taking extra to get high, when in reality im just managing my withdrawals.

Now, my question is, would sublingual use actually be a better way of using the suboxone since i'm having problems with the nasal suboxone wearing of fast? is there even a difference in how long it effects you between the two ROAs? finally, i know that there is a difference in bioavailability for the two, so will i notice a difference in effects?

Thanks for the help guys

edit: i read above CH that you helped someone with a taper schedule. If i have say two-three weeks tops that i could stay on this stuff, what type of taper schedule would i be looking at? I'm on 1mg a day right now, around .65mg a dose. Thanks captain, you're always very helpful.

 

[oneswtwld]

I like to think my experiences have helped you all out a lot - so please let me know if what I'm saying sounds/is realistic. I know I'm not the only person who started IVing buprenorphine...for any of you all out there who did/thought of it, did this make sense to you, did it help you make up your mind on if you wanted to IV it or if it's worth it or w/e?

Definately a HUGE help.

I have IV'd sub before. Maybe 6 months ago.

I tried 4mgs at first.... it was like I did nothing.

I made the mstake of IV'ing img, twice yesterday

and 1mg this morning.


I am going to get back on the "schedule" tomorrow morning by taking 1mg sub via sub (hehe)



anyhoo...

peace

 

[fm1983]

hey you guys, long time no see. I dropped by to ask a question about sub lingual suboxone versus nasal suboxone. First, a little background on my situation. I'm out for christmas break right now. after 8 months on suboxone i had decided with my doctor that i was going to taper off and quit suboxone during my christmas break, since im at home and could relax. He gave me 30 clonidine. i've been snorting my suboxone for many months now, mostly because i've been at such low doses and its a pain to absorb the little chunks; i ended up losing some and taking more because i feel like it doesnt work. Anyway, christmas break rolled around and i was still using about a 2mg tablet a day, broken up into three parts to take over the day, so about .65mg or whatever a dose. I decided i should stay on and try to work myself lower, but as soon as i tried to do .5mg a dose, 4 times a day, i started to feel shitty and so on. I ended up going back to a third of a tablet three times a day, and sometimes i would take a half if i wasnt feeling good.
My big problem with these low doses is that i have to continually take more and more every few hours because it wears off and i start to feel bad. Because of this i sometimes have to break my 1pill a day rule and that sucks, because my doctor and my family end up thinking i'm taking extra to get high, when in reality im just managing my withdrawals.

Now, my question is, would sublingual use actually be a better way of using the suboxone since i'm having problems with the nasal suboxone wearing of fast? is there even a difference in how long it effects you between the two ROAs? finally, i know that there is a difference in bioavailability for the two, so will i notice a difference in effects?

Thanks for the help guys

edit: i read above CH that you helped someone with a taper schedule. If i have say two-three weeks tops that i could stay on this stuff, what type of taper schedule would i be looking at? I'm on 1mg a day right now, around .65mg a dose. Thanks captain, you're always very helpful.

I prefer to take my suboxone insulfated as well. I just feel it works better. The BA% is lower orally, but with such a big pill, it's hard to know how much of the active ingredient you are getting per dose (when you snort it). So that's why it may feel hit or miss for you, (it does to me as well). The pill itself only has I think 2% active ingredient, and I doubt it is spread out evenly across the pill and that's what the issue may be.

For your taper: What if you just did one dose a day instead of breaking it off into 3 seperate ones? Or to taper, you can start by trying to skip your second dose, then I would assume you can dose when you get up and before you go to bed. From there you could then lower the MG in, say, your evening dose a little at a time, until nothing. At that point you would only be taking a morning dose.

Just a quick thought.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

hey you guys, long time no see. I dropped by to ask a question about sub lingual suboxone versus nasal suboxone. First, a little background on my situation. I'm out for christmas break right now. after 8 months on suboxone i had decided with my doctor that i was going to taper off and quit suboxone during my christmas break, since im at home and could relax. He gave me 30 clonidine. i've been snorting my suboxone for many months now, mostly because i've been at such low doses and its a pain to absorb the little chunks; i ended up losing some and taking more because i feel like it doesnt work. Anyway, christmas break rolled around and i was still using about a 2mg tablet a day, broken up into three parts to take over the day, so about .65mg or whatever a dose. I decided i should stay on and try to work myself lower, but as soon as i tried to do .5mg a dose, 4 times a day, i started to feel shitty and so on. I ended up going back to a third of a tablet three times a day, and sometimes i would take a half if i wasnt feeling good.
My big problem with these low doses is that i have to continually take more and more every few hours because it wears off and i start to feel bad. Because of this i sometimes have to break my 1pill a day rule and that sucks, because my doctor and my family end up thinking i'm taking extra to get high, when in reality im just managing my withdrawals.

Now, my question is, would sublingual use actually be a better way of using the suboxone since i'm having problems with the nasal suboxone wearing of fast? is there even a difference in how long it effects you between the two ROAs? finally, i know that there is a difference in bioavailability for the two, so will i notice a difference in effects?

Thanks for the help guys

edit: i read above CH that you helped someone with a taper schedule. If i have say two-three weeks tops that i could stay on this stuff, what type of taper schedule would i be looking at? I'm on 1mg a day right now, around .65mg a dose. Thanks captain, you're always very helpful.

I would suggest to switch back to the sublingual ROA. It'll last longer, and you won't have to re-dose as often. I think for you, the best way to taper might be to use 2mg once per day, or 1mg twice per day. Then you can slowly begin to use 0.5mg doses as needed throughout the day (3-4 times), then bring it down to 1-2 times per day. What you can do is put the crushed Suboxone on paper (or something that folds) and then dump it under your tongue (kind of how like people eat the end of a bag of chips/pop corn by funneling it into their mouth except you're aiming under your tongue). If you have high proof alcohol, you can use a little bit of it to boost your doses to help conserve what you're going through. I don't know if you've read 6/7's method or not.

If you want me to make a schedule for you I will, but I'm about to not be here (gotta go) so I'll BRB.

 

[rolls_]

We do not have micron filters available in Sweden, sure I could order through the internet but then i had to go through american sites and I think it would be quite expensive. I have never seen anyone use a micron filter here...

That is a terrible excuse not to use mircon filters, if you order in bulk it will be cheaper than the possibility of having your arm amputated.

Anybody know anything about possible liver effects from doing that? I read about Bupe causing liver necrosis, which basically means, I think, that your liver dies off in little bits each time you do it? I'm no doctor....any thoughts?

No it does nothing of the sort. What made you think this?

 

[Mokriti]

I've recently come across some pharmaceutical grade buprenorphine powder, and am looking at it very warily. I'm curious what it will be like, and have basically 0 tolerance to opiates.

I'd like to start VERY low with this because I don't want to spend 8 hours or more vomiting - but of course the scale I have is not accurate in the sub-1mg range.

I'm reluctantly considering eyeballing as tiny an amount as I can and insufflating it. It this a BAD idea? Is there another way I can go about my experiment at such low mg levels?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I've recently come across some pharmaceutical grade buprenorphine powder, and am looking at it very warily. I'm curious what it will be like, and have basically 0 tolerance to opiates.

I'd like to start VERY low with this because I don't want to spend 8 hours or more vomiting - but of course the scale I have is not accurate in the sub-1mg range.

I'm reluctantly considering eyeballing as tiny an amount as I can and insufflating it. It this a BAD idea? Is there another way I can go about my experiment at such low mg levels?

Do NOT eyeball it.

Acquire a known quantity. Water measure it.

Buprenorphine is active in the micrograms. There's now way to eyeball a dose.

 

[Heroin Girl]

This is mostly directed at CH

I've been on Suboxone for a little over a month. I'm scripted 24mg a day, but I've tapered myself down to 6mg- 2mg every 6 hours (sublingually). I'd always gotten a nice buzz from bupe when I used it during dry spells, traveling with my family, etc. and had euphoria during the "honeymoon" phase.

I'm starting to feel the bupe again as I lower my dose, but I'm getting the high again, yet. I was wondering what dose you would suggest aiming for to get the most euphoria? And if you have an idea of how quickly I can comfortably taper, I'd appreciate the input - I went from 24mg to 8mg very quickly, but I've had to slow down a lot since I got below 8mg.

Also, ROA is kind of an issue - my veins are trashed, so shooting Subs every day just isn't possible, and I can only snort them occasionally or I get nosebleeds, no matter how many precautions I take. So, my only options for a daily ROA would be either sublingual or plugging - I've gotten euphoria from both methods previously, so I would think that either would still work...?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[SteeleyJ]

I just wanna give my opinion so far on buprenorphine for dependency. I've been an opioid addict for years, and a benzodiazepine addict and probably borderline alcoholic ( drank daily, but if i didn't have it there were no w/ds, so no physical dependency).

I started on the bupe 3-4 weeks ago, i started at 8mg and slowly rose up to around 12mg. Since i've started my opioid craving have been pretty low, sure i'd like to shoot some dope, but it's not a prominent thought in my mind anymore. That was expected, i haven't even tried to break the barrier because i know. To me what ever more amazing, is depsite not feeling high, my benzodiazepine and my alcohol intake have dropped to damn near zilch. I take a couple mg of klonopin here and there ( as prescribed, also as i used to tell my doctor i took it ) but nowhere near daily. I even have extras benzos at the end of the month. Also amazing to me is that i've found the motivation to go out and start job hunting ( instead of illegal ) and looking into *seriously* into careers i want to go to college for.


In short i'm impressed with this opioid, it's very unique.