Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[fistful_of_needles]

...and so I entered the new year with a bunch of these strange red Flupirtine pills and a herniated disk ...well , today I finally decided to experiment with these and other random pharms I'm on ,namely Subutex,Bromazepam(my benzo of choice for today) and yeah these Flupirtine 100mgs tabs , oh nearly forgot ,I also used some Hydroxyzine as well later on in the day ... the way this non-opioid analgesic works is pretty weird ,Bupre on its own hasn't been able to take away my herniated disk's pain yet today when combined with 300mgs of this Flupirtine this issue is 100% gone , I feel brand new and with NO unpleasent side effects whatsoever either (from combining all these things) .Curiously enough I didn't feel any synergy with the Subutex (perhaps both dealing very effectively with my excrutiating back pain????Definitely not the sort of "speedy" interaction I experience with bupre+Trams) but instead of that ,I had very positive effects from the Flupirtine+benzo+anti-hystamine combo,namely VERY increased sedation and the muscle relaxant qualities I've seen attributed to Flupirtine were very pronounced as well ...basically it's nearly 4am and I'm still here listening to Public Image Ltd's "Metal box" album with this idotic grin on my face

 

[Captain.Heroin]

This is mostly directed at CH

I've been on Suboxone for a little over a month. I'm scripted 24mg a day, but I've tapered myself down to 6mg- 2mg every 6 hours (sublingually). I'd always gotten a nice buzz from bupe when I used it during dry spells, traveling with my family, etc. and had euphoria during the "honeymoon" phase.

I'm starting to feel the bupe again as I lower my dose, but I'm getting the high again, yet. I was wondering what dose you would suggest aiming for to get the most euphoria? And if you have an idea of how quickly I can comfortably taper, I'd appreciate the input - I went from 24mg to 8mg very quickly, but I've had to slow down a lot since I got below 8mg.

Also, ROA is kind of an issue - my veins are trashed, so shooting Subs every day just isn't possible, and I can only snort them occasionally or I get nosebleeds, no matter how many precautions I take. So, my only options for a daily ROA would be either sublingual or plugging - I've gotten euphoria from both methods previously, so I would think that either would still work...?

Any help would be appreciated.

I would use 6/7's method, using high proof alcohol sublingually along with Suboxone.

I would use 1mg or less doses throughout the day, or 2mg once a day.

That'd be the best way to get the best effects.

I think 6/7's method is better than snorting could be due to a few issues that snorting presents. I've never tried snorting Suboxone though.

Getting below 1500mcg/day (that is 1.5mg/day) is ideal for getting euphoria out of buprenorphine however.

Hope this helped, let me know how it works out for you. Good luck :D

I just wanna give my opinion so far on buprenorphine for dependency. I've been an opioid addict for years, and a benzodiazepine addict and probably borderline alcoholic ( drank daily, but if i didn't have it there were no w/ds, so no physical dependency).

I started on the bupe 3-4 weeks ago, i started at 8mg and slowly rose up to around 12mg. Since i've started my opioid craving have been pretty low, sure i'd like to shoot some dope, but it's not a prominent thought in my mind anymore. That was expected, i haven't even tried to break the barrier because i know. To me what ever more amazing, is depsite not feeling high, my benzodiazepine and my alcohol intake have dropped to damn near zilch. I take a couple mg of klonopin here and there ( as prescribed, also as i used to tell my doctor i took it ) but nowhere near daily. I even have extras benzos at the end of the month. Also amazing to me is that i've found the motivation to go out and start job hunting ( instead of illegal ) and looking into *seriously* into careers i want to go to college for.

In short i'm impressed with this opioid, it's very unique.

Suboxone really is great for benzo use because it potentiates the hell out of them.

...and so I entered the new year with a bunch of these strange red Flupirtine pills and a herniated disk ...well , today I finally decided to experiment with these and other random pharms I'm on ,namely Subutex,Bromazepam(my benzo of choice for today) and yeah these Flupirtine 100mgs tabs , oh nearly forgot ,I also used some Hydroxyzine as well later on in the day ... the way this non-opioid analgesic works is pretty weird ,Bupre on its own hasn't been able to take away my herniated disk's pain yet today when combined with 300mgs of this Flupirtine this issue is 100% gone , I feel brand new and with NO unpleasent side effects whatsoever either (from combining all these things) .Curiously enough I didn't feel any synergy with the Subutex (perhaps both dealing very effectively with my excrutiating back pain????Definitely not the sort of "speedy" interaction I experience with bupre+Trams) but instead of that ,I had very positive effects from the Flupirtine+benzo+anti-hystamine combo,namely VERY increased sedation and the muscle relaxant qualities I've seen attributed to Flupirtine were very pronounced as well ...basically it's nearly 4am and I'm still here listening to Public Image Ltd's "Metal box" album with this idotic grin on my face

Good to hear the flupirtine works well man!!! That's exciting. They need to prescribe these drugs more around here.

 

[Heroin Girl]

Thanks CH. Wish my sub doc knew this much about subs.

The benzo potentiation is insane. The only one I've used with subs is Clonazepam (which I tapered off of a few months ago since it no longer worked, even at extremely high doses). With subs, even .5mg of Clonazepam knocks me out. If I want to stay awake, I can take .25mg max. It's still not recreational for me, but managing my anxiety is a lot cheaper. I could have ten panic attacks a month and still spend less than I did with a legit script. Or I could if the subs themselves weren't so expensive. 8)

Sorry for the rambling...rather tweaked.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

benzos and Suboxone

Thanks CH. Wish my sub doc knew this much about subs.

The benzo potentiation is insane. The only one I've used with subs is Clonazepam (which I tapered off of a few months ago since it no longer worked, even at extremely high doses). With subs, even .5mg of Clonazepam knocks me out. If I want to stay awake, I can take .25mg max. It's still not recreational for me, but managing my anxiety is a lot cheaper. I could have ten panic attacks a month and still spend less than I did with a legit script. Or I could if the subs themselves weren't so expensive. 8)

Sorry for the rambling...rather tweaked.

Hahaha, I wish my Suboxone doctor knew this much about Suboxone too. He doesn't think Subutex exists.

My fiancee is a great example of benzo potentiation via Suboxone - when on 150mcg, she can't take xanax or most other benzos at all. Even 0.25mg of it makes her pass out! Even 2.5mg of diazepam too! There's only a few benzos she can take and not pass out near instantly.

If I wasn't on Suboxone or any other CNS depressant, I normally would have 0.5mg or 1mg of xanax for a moderate/mild effect, whereas 0.5mg would get me really intoxicated now.

Glad to hear I could help! Take care. :D

-CH %)

 

[Heroin Girl]

Hahaha, I wish my Suboxone doctor knew this much about Suboxone too. He doesn't think Subutex exists.

Ah, same here. My doctor actually told me there was no generic Subutex a couple weeks ago and that the pharmacies were mistaken when they said they stocked it. 8) He said he'd never script Subutex, anyway since it could be IVed, and I kinda doubt that telling him Suboxone could be safely injected would help my case.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

"Good to hear the flupirtine works well man!!! That's exciting. They need to prescribe these drugs more around here."

Yeah Cap, I was somewhat impressed by its analgesic effects(considering just how effective it was for this herniated disk pain I´m suffering from) and plus it does indeed work as a mild muscle relaxant too ...what I´ll be doing instead of wasting them just like that while on Sub maintenace is I´ll be keeping the remaining ones for when I decide to quit bupre and take something non opioid in nature to minimize the hypothetical Sub withdrawals I´ll most likely go through... was thinking of trams for that effect but overall I just found this to be more effective as an analgesic and plus it´s perhaps less addictive than the trams are (if addictive at all) ...it´s just odd the lack of information on the net regarding this drug(Flupirtine) .

 

[racso87]

using suboxone for detox without getting addicted to subs?

Hey everyone,

from each of your personal experiences, when using suboxone strictly for detox purposes(not maintenance), how many days, and at how many mg's, were you able to use suboxone to get through withdrawal and then stop using subs without any discomfort?

for example, has anyone ever used 2mg a day, for 7-14 days and then cease using subs without any discomfort?

I asked a question similar to this in one of the past sub threads on this forum but I only received 2 responses which is fine, but everyone reacts differently to drugs and so I'm hoping to receive a few more responses(broader array of info), so that i can have an idea of what to expect when I come off of suboxone in 2 days(2mg/day for 10 days).

 

[Heroin Girl]

I tried Six part Seven's method this morning, and I actually got a bit of a buzz.

Racos87 I'm pretty sure that jumping off at 2mg, even though it's only been ten days, will cause withdrawal. Is there any way that you can stay on Subs long enough to taper?

 

[Oxymorphone]

Did gpzservices stop carrying bacteriostatic water? I can't seem to find it.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Ah, same here. My doctor actually told me there was no generic Subutex a couple weeks ago and that the pharmacies were mistaken when they said they stocked it. 8) He said he'd never script Subutex, anyway since it could be IVed, and I kinda doubt that telling him Suboxone could be safely injected would help my case.

LOL, that's almost as stupid as not believing in Subutex as all! Maybe more so.

I understand that telling him that Suboxone can be IV'd doesn't really help your case at all...may make it seem worse in his eyes (despite the fact most people choose to use buprenorphine sublingually due to the long effects).

I just wish they would make a Subutex sized/colored/flavored pill w/ the naloxone so those stupid doctors would think the "blocking effect" is still there (and it is - the thing that blocks is the buprenorphine, also in Subutex). I just dislike Suboxone's taste if I use it sublingually. Otherwise I have no problems with it at all.

Did gpzservices stop carrying bacteriostatic water? I can't seem to find it.

Yes, they did. So did researchsupply.net. I had to order bacteriostatic through a diifferent website. I stocked up, because it's not as common as it once was to be able to purchase online.

A lot of websites charge more if you are trying to only buy one 30mL vial than GPZ was just FYI, so look around and try to find a decent price.

My tray of 30mL vials of bacteriostatic water finally arrived (25 of them all together), so I should be good for some time to come.

Hey everyone,

from each of your personal experiences, when using suboxone strictly for detox purposes(not maintenance), how many days, and at how many mg's, were you able to use suboxone to get through withdrawal and then stop using subs without any discomfort?

for example, has anyone ever used 2mg a day, for 7-14 days and then cease using subs without any discomfort?

I asked a question similar to this in one of the past sub threads on this forum but I only received 2 responses which is fine, but everyone reacts differently to drugs and so I'm hoping to receive a few more responses(broader array of info), so that i can have an idea of what to expect when I come off of suboxone in 2 days(2mg/day for 10 days).

What you want to do is use 2mg/day for 7 days, then the next 7 days cut down a bit here and there. Use 1.5mg for 2 days, 1mg for 2 days, 0.5mg for 3 days, then you could jump off and it would be probably as comfortable as you can jump off Suboxone in such a short amount of time.

Hope this was helpful. There's typically some discomfort in cessation any way you go about it, but that should be as painless as it gets if you do it right.

If you need to use 0.5mg (or less) per day or every other day for longer just to help wean yourself off of it be my guest. I am now at 600-900 mcg/day (0.6mg-0.9mg/day) and I plan on going much lower overall.

 

[Heroin Girl]

LOL, that's almost as stupid as not believing in Subutex as all! Maybe more so.

I understand that telling him that Suboxone can be IV'd doesn't really help your case at all...may make it seem worse in his eyes (despite the fact most people choose to use buprenorphine sublingually due to the long effects).

I just wish they would make a Subutex sized/colored/flavored pill w/ the naloxone so those stupid doctors would think the "blocking effect" is still there (and it is - the thing that blocks is the buprenorphine, also in Subutex). I just dislike Suboxone's taste if I use it sublingually. Otherwise I have no problems with it at all.

Yeah, he's not the brightest, but he doesn't give UA's, so I'll be sticking with him. %) At higher doses of Suboxone, I was getting these really annoying (and really awkward-looking) muscle spasms and headaches, so I really wanted the Subutex. I'm not too worried about it now since I don't seem to get side effects under 2mg, although the taste is kinda gross.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Yeah, he's not the brightest, but he doesn't give UA's, so I'll be sticking with him. %) At higher doses of Suboxone, I was getting these really annoying (and really awkward-looking) muscle spasms and headaches, so I really wanted the Subutex. I'm not too worried about it now since I don't seem to get side effects under 2mg, although the taste is kinda gross.

Hahahah, yeah my doctor doesn't do UA either. That's why I'm sticking w/ him too. That's all I care about.

Sorry to hear the side effects at high doses. I got side effects from the high doses too, which is why I'm doing great at 150mcg per dose.

The taste is gross, which is why I enjoy another ROA which doesn't include me tasting it at all (like how it tastes sublingually, you still 'taste' it.)

 

[Oxymorphone]

C.H. can you point me to where I can get a good deal on bacteriostatic water? I want to purchase pre-sealed 10ml vials, filters, and the water all in one place. With what you said about the sterile water tubes not being suitable for long term storage (although it does contain a bit of alcohol and or maybe something else, I can taste it) now I need to get bacteriostatic apparently.

I do wonder though, if the sterile water doesn't grow bacteria in the sealed plastic tubes, and if I took all the precautions and used it to prepare a sterile suboxone solution why would it grow bacteria then? That would solve a problem and save some money so I could get on with it, I'll probably just order the vials and filters now from gpz.

 

[Pythagoras]

Silly me, 4 months of super-strict supervised daily consumption, weekly UA, recently switched to weekly pick up and then New Year, something hazy, mixing modafanil with benzos and now have no idea where my subs are. Did I take them all? Bin them? I have no idea. Me to Doctor ' can I pick up today instead of Friday'
Doctor ' Fuck Off!'
Me: Shit. One minor fuck-up and months of arse-numbingly strict maintenance SL.
Oh well, at least I have the start of a cruel benzo taper to look forward to on Friday.
I should just do the sensible thing and top myself

 

[Captain.Heroin]

C.H. can you point me to where I can get a good deal on bacteriostatic water? I want to purchase pre-sealed 10ml vials, filters, and the water all in one place. With what you said about the sterile water tubes not being suitable for long term storage (although it does contain a bit of alcohol and or maybe something else, I can taste it) now I need to get bacteriostatic apparently.

I do wonder though, if the sterile water doesn't grow bacteria in the sealed plastic tubes, and if I took all the precautions and used it to prepare a sterile suboxone solution why would it grow bacteria then? That would solve a problem and save some money so I could get on with it, I'll probably just order the vials and filters now from gpz.

The problem with that, Oxymorphone, is that I can't find all of those things from one website anymore.

http://www.mountainside-medical.com...For-Injection-Bacteriostatic-Water-30-ml.html <-- a case of 30mL vials of bacteriostatic (25 count = 1 case) for $29.00 (before tax & shipping)

http://www.gpzservices.com/items/Products/list.htm <-- The rest of everything

The problem with sterile water (without benzyl alcohol) is that it can't sit around for a week to two weeks. It has nothing to prevent the bacterial growth.

If you want to buy benzyl alcohol and mix it into water yourself, that should work too. It's easier not to have to worry about that though.

 

[Oxymorphone]

The problem with that, Oxymorphone, is that I can't find all of those things from one website anymore.

http://www.mountainside-medical.com...For-Injection-Bacteriostatic-Water-30-ml.html <-- a case of 30mL vials of bacteriostatic (25 count = 1 case) for $29.00 (before tax & shipping)

http://www.gpzservices.com/items/Products/list.htm <-- The rest of everything

The problem with sterile water (without benzyl alcohol) is that it can't sit around for a week to two weeks. It has nothing to prevent the bacterial growth.

If you want to buy benzyl alcohol and mix it into water yourself, that should work too. It's easier not to have to worry about that though.

Thanks, I sill have to think if I really want to prep a solution like yours for many small shots throughout the day and be poking myself repeatedly and going through tons of needles (my exchange only has 27 & 28 gauge so I have to buy 31Gs if I want them unless another exchange has them) instead of prepping one or two shots a day and not dealing with microns or anything.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

Silly me, 4 months of super-strict supervised daily consumption, weekly UA, recently switched to weekly pick up and then New Year, something hazy, mixing modafanil with benzos and now have no idea where my subs are. Did I take them all? Bin them? I have no idea. Me to Doctor ' can I pick up today instead of Friday'
Doctor ' Fuck Off!'
Me: Shit. One minor fuck-up and months of arse-numbingly strict maintenance SL.
Oh well, at least I have the start of a cruel benzo taper to look forward to on Friday.
I should just do the sensible thing and top myself

hahahha @ I should just do the sensible thing and top myself ... don't you people in the US love the unspeakable joys of "GP shopping" ? This is what i do thus running out of meds has never been an issue

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thanks, I sill have to think if I really want to prep a solution like yours for many small shots throughout the day and be poking myself repeatedly and going through tons of needles (my exchange only has 27 & 28 gauge so I have to buy 31Gs if I want them unless another exchange has them) instead of prepping one or two shots a day and not dealing with microns or anything.

It's really up to you. I would have started using micron filters a long time ago if I had access to them. The problem was a lack of money essentially.

 

[cire113]

i cant believe my state doesnt have needle exchange program that is retarded............. ugghh

i guess it stops people like me from iving their drugs???

 

[Captain.Heroin]

i cant believe my state doesnt have needle exchange program that is retarded............. ugghh

i guess it stops people like me from iving their drugs???

You live in Florida (your location tag says you do at least). In Florida, you can buy needles OTC.

And no, it doesn't stop you from IVing your drugs. My state doesn't have an exchange but I still manage to get to one.