The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

[cmccrack]

cmccrack, what dose of jwh-200 did you use?

Also i'd like to add that i think cannabinoids in general are/can be psychedelic, including THC and all the others in ganja.

It was about 20-25mg vaporized. I've never gotten a fully immersive trip from THC. Maybe I've not smoked enough or maybe it just doesn't affect me that way. Because the amounts are so small with the synthetics, I'm able to push my high higher than I can with plant matter? I don't particularly like smoking, so I've never pushed my THC highs beyond a nice head buzz, a tingly body buzz or a couch-lock stoning. Seeing as how I can reach a nice psychedelic plateau with JWH-200, though, I'm very happy with it.

 

[Vader]

^It's much easier to go off the deep end with oral cannabis than with smoked IME.

 

[RedRum OG]

^It's much easier to go off the deep end with oral cannabis than with smoked IME.

ive never eaten it but i can get very intense and intricate visuals off smoking without tolerance.

OP i have tripped off smoking.. my first time everything i touched felt electric and there were patterns everywhere and i pictured music going through my skin while i was listening.

so you could probably acheive this with 'em pills to

 

[JackARoe]

In regards to toxicity I would be surprised if any of the jwh's were more toxic than say tobacco. Aside from reading all I can and comparing I still can't decide if these substances are greatly toxic. Saying that I use very very sparingly, almost not at all. But I have. I have also had some incredible insights on them, munchies, all the signs of being "well". So if it turns out they are very toxic that would almost be like learning LSD causes cancer after some uses, in other words almost a cruel cruel joke in the life we live in. But we did learn that after all the crap they threw at LSD years ago, chromosome damage and all that BS, it is very much non toxic. I can only hope the same is true for these nice synthetic cannabinoid type substances. Yes real weed is preferred and known to be safe, but it would be nice if these were confirmed to be less toxic than tobacco or asbestos. My gut feeling is they are sort of safe but that would only be an opinion.

 

[islander20]

I just had an amazing combination of AMT and JWH-018 last weekend. Felt like a psychedelic opiate, the body high was incredible, combined with the visuals it was breath taking. I find JWH-018 gets a bit disappointing after a while with tolerance, shifts from a nice cannabis high to a psychedelic trip, but its all depends on what your looking for. God damn drug tests!

 

[xbLeAcHx]

Jwh-018 confirmed negative on piss test!!!

OK I just got some jwh-018 and while under the influence got paranoid so i bought a drug test and took a piss test which was 100% negative. I just had to do that in order not to worry about it but now I now for a fact that JWH-018 will NOT SHOW UP IN A PISS TEST!! very solid line indicating NEGATIVE.

 

[TheAzo]

I don't think drug test discussion is allowed here (for reasons i've never understood)

But i'm not sure why this even needs to be stated.

If you've seen the structures of THC and JWH-###'s, it's inconceivable that JWH could cause a positive.

 

[xbLeAcHx]

i apologize if i broke any rules. and i knew theres no way it would show up but i was just really high and kinda trippin so i needed the reassurance

 

[Putingrad]

Those take-home piss tests are notoriously crappy, in no way do your results mean that JWH-x won't trigger a false positive on the real-deal lab-tested urinalysis that most people will encounter. I haven't heard any information about JWH and urinalysis, would be interesting to know.

 

[colorsinthevoid]

I've heard similar reports from other community resources on the internet - so far I haven't found a single person who confirmed a positive test for marijuana for any of the JWH or CP derivatives, versus many who report negative results both from home tests and more intensive probation/drug treatment/employment lab tests. This makes perfect sense given the absence of THC/related metabolites but is still reassuring to someone like me who gets drug tested and still wants to get stonedish from time to time.

 

[colorsinthevoid]

I think tolerance and lack thereof has a lot to do with it. My maiden voyages with weed were all very intense and psychedelic, drastically more so (and not only due to inexperience... quite vivid OEVs and absolutely absurd CEVs of which I only get the slightest trace these days) than they are today. JWH's have no such tolerance so I can imagine being able to get profound effects from the start - my question is do they persist or level off like weed after repeated use? We all know you can't get the "magic" of the first few times you're stoned back. I have no experience with synthetic cannabinoids but my interest is profound and I've been considering ordering some for a while.

 

[Vader]

^Who said JWHs don't build tolerance? I'd be surprised if they don't. Also the fact that they're not structurally similar to cannabinoids doesn't mean there won't be cross-tolerance there, it's the receptors the drugs act on which matters (which are the same I think).

 

[theotherside]

I have found that JWH-018 can cause some great CEV's if taken orally. The CEV"s are not your typical patterns, but it allows my mind to "visualize" elaborate pictures similar to meditation. One instance in particular I was listening to some light classical harpsichord music, and with closed eyes I watched a grey wigged man play a concert for a handful of old time women. Pretty wild.

 

[Venrak]

Edit: I suck and didn't read properly, so I would have been repeating what Coloursinthevoid just said. Oops.

 

[dankstersauce]

Those take-home piss tests are notoriously crappy, in no way do your results mean that JWH-x won't trigger a false positive on the real-deal lab-tested urinalysis that most people will encounter. I haven't heard any information about JWH and urinalysis, would be interesting to know.

I passed a real deal lab urinalysis the day after smoking JWH-018.....after about a week or two of daily smoking actually.

 

[lazydullard]

I think tolerance and lack thereof has a lot to do with it. My maiden voyages with weed were all very intense and psychedelic, drastically more so (and not only due to inexperience... quite vivid OEVs and absolutely absurd CEVs of which I only get the slightest trace these days) than they are today. JWH's have no such tolerance so I can imagine being able to get profound effects from the start - my question is do they persist or level off like weed after repeated use? We all know you can't get the "magic" of the first few times you're stoned back. I have no experience with synthetic cannabinoids but my interest is profound and I've been considering ordering some for a while.

I think part of the magic of the first few stones where largely involved your mindset. You were fully open and was accepting of anything you felt or experienced. As you smoke more often, your brain starts to follow a set follow of expectations.

I've had psychedelic moments and thoughts with 018 and 073 combined. Tolerance may be mostly neuropharmalogical conditioning, but there's a strong psychological aspect to it. The physical tolerance will reset given enough time. It's just a matter of mechanics and metabolism. Psychological tolerance, however, is a much trickier animal to tame.

I think you (and me and many others) experience more psychedelia with the JWH compounds because we have less expectations and much more curiousity. I think this is also why some people get more psychedelia from oral cannabis; less expectations.

 

[Wizzle]

JWH-018/Acetone - 20mg/ml

Is JWH-018 stable in acetone? If I had a gram of this stuff could I just dissolve it in 50 ml's of acetone and keep it there to put on tobacco/bud? Or, if keeping it in there a long time will degrade it, would it be possible to dissolve and mix it with tobacco/bud right away?

Acetone seems perfect for this, it shouldn't take more then 48 hours to be completely removed from the carrier and will make for some perfect dosing. Any thoughts on this?

 

[solistus]

I tried JWH-018 along with smoking cannabis a while back. I held off on smoking until I felt the onset of the -018, and it was rather similar to brownies. Seemed to last even longer, but again I smoked as well from about t+2 on so I can't give much feedback beyond that. I would definitely look to acquire these if possible if I had to stop smoking for an extended period.

 

[Coolio]

I don't find cannabis or any synthetic cannabinoids to be 'psychedelic'. Visual-inducing maybe, but it's just movement and flowing of patterning. I've never felt a profound unity with the world around me while stoned. I've never recalled long lost childhood memories while stoned. I've never gone out of body while stoned. I've never seen anthropomorphic inanimate objects while stoned.

At really high doses JWH-018 has induced a hypnotic trance in me. I've gone into 20+ minute trances. It isn't exactly psychedelic though...

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

I don't find cannabis or any synthetic cannabinoids to be 'psychedelic'. Visual-inducing maybe, but it's just movement and flowing of patterning. I've never felt a profound unity with the world around me while stoned. I've never recalled long lost childhood memories while stoned. I've never gone out of body while stoned. I've never seen anthropomorphic inanimate objects while stoned.

I haven't experienced those kind of things on 2C-C, for example. does this mean it is not a psychedelic?