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Recieved JWH-081 Sample, not too sure what to expect.
Have just recieved a 100mg sample of JWH-081 from a reliable *snip* supplier who has also provided 1g of what looks to be pure JWH-018 (fine, and slightly off white, unlike certain "pure" white batches which I am convinced have been doctored to look that way). I think we can trust that this is pure 081.
This particular indole came in large, semi-transparent crystals, not wholly unlike grains of salt. No obvious odour.
Does anybody have dose information? Trip report? ANY info or related experiences with this substance at all? There seems to be literally no information online and Huffman's original paper gives a molecular overview but nothing medically relevant.
Help please
I will post a trip report this evening when I have tested this stuff.
Have just recieved a 100mg sample of JWH-081 from a reliable *snip* supplier who has also provided 1g of what looks to be pure JWH-018 (fine, and slightly off white, unlike certain "pure" white batches which I am convinced have been doctored to look that way). I think we can trust that this is pure 081.
This particular indole came in large, semi-transparent crystals, not wholly unlike grains of salt. No obvious odour.
Does anybody have dose information? Trip report? ANY info or related experiences with this substance at all? There seems to be literally no information online and Huffman's original paper gives a molecular overview but nothing medically relevant.
Help please
I will post a trip report this evening when I have tested this stuff.
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Shambles,
To be honest that vibes with my experiences, my first batch of JWH-018 was from a 100% legit supplier, if these guys say it's an 99.9% assay, it's 99.9%. This was an excellent high at very low doses, a fine, slightly off white powder with some small, consistantly sized, lumps.
Later foolishly went with a closer, and cheaper (but still well regarded) supplier and recieved 1g of a pure white power, I've not tested this batch that thoroughly, but my first impression was that it wasn't as good as the first I'd tested. It was still a marked, defined high, but felt somehow different with more paranoia in my opinion. I now believe this to be 073, I would like to test the theory and am looking into methods of testing.
Today I recieved another batch of JWH-018 from another, also trusted supplier and this resembles the first. I've yet to test but first impressions are good.
On an unrelated note, I am now testing an eyeballed 2mg dose of the brilliantly shiny 081, this has a similar but considerably weaker odour than the 018 and have been advised by the supplier that it was made in the same lab. It is made up of distinct flat, square crystals which I can only describe as looking exactly like glitter (no really, I smudged some on my hand and now it sparkles...)
Will post a report once I actually smoke this thing rather than typing this reply.
Sheep and Drizzle hey Shambles Noswaith da to you sir!
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What the bloody hell happened to the replies above this post and below my previous? I certainly did not imagine them...
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In fact I did.
To be honest that vibes with my experiences, my first batch of JWH-018 was from a 100% legit supplier, if these guys say it's an 99.9% assay, it's 99.9%. This was an excellent high at very low doses, a fine, slightly off white powder with some small, consistantly sized, lumps.
Later foolishly went with a closer, and cheaper (but still well regarded) supplier and recieved 1g of a pure white power, I've not tested this batch that thoroughly, but my first impression was that it wasn't as good as the first I'd tested. It was still a marked, defined high, but felt somehow different with more paranoia in my opinion. I now believe this to be 073, I would like to test the theory and am looking into methods of testing.
Today I recieved another batch of JWH-018 from another, also trusted supplier and this resembles the first. I've yet to test but first impressions are good.
On an unrelated note, I am now testing an eyeballed 2mg dose of the brilliantly shiny 081, this has a similar but considerably weaker odour than the 018 and have been advised by the supplier that it was made in the same lab. It is made up of distinct flat, square crystals which I can only describe as looking exactly like glitter (no really, I smudged some on my hand and now it sparkles...)
Will post a report once I actually smoke this thing rather than typing this reply.
Sheep and Drizzle hey Shambles
Noswaith da to you sir![EDIT]
What the bloody hell happened to the replies above this post and below my previous? I certainly did not imagine them...
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In fact I did.
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hamhurricane
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wow i am coming down from one of the most profound and incredible cannabinoid trips i have ever had, and it was all thanks to the truly magnificent JWH-073. that is really a special one - distinct and every bit as valuable as THC, this trip almost felt serotonergic it was so incredible. i was feeling empathy for my parents, understanding of work i must get done and confrontation of my laziness. i decided to begin working on things ive been putting off, hopefully i will implement all the changes i have decided to make.
EDIT: i will soon have the opportunity to try a structural isomer of JWH-018 with the napthalene moiety rotated 180 degrees. it has no name other than iso-JWH-018, ill update on the effects
EDIT: i will soon have the opportunity to try a structural isomer of JWH-018 with the napthalene moiety rotated 180 degrees. it has no name other than iso-JWH-018, ill update on the effects
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Coolio
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Seems completely stable to me. No discoloration or change of texture from being in moist room temperature air for over a year. I don't even bother to close the bag sometimes.
Can anyone comment on the using the synthetics as nausea-reducers while tripping? I searched but nothing came up regarding nausea specifically, just comments about potentiating a trip (which would be nice, but not if it doesn't also reduce nausea).
nanobrain
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Premium hand-rubbed Charas 5g + THC honey oil 2g + 200 mg jwh-018 + 250mg 00 pollen offa some Canberra Can-Do headies as binder, rolled and kneaded to superficially resemble Nepalese Border hash...it is not...its Super Space Haze. dont even think of driving. or loading a Space Haze chillum...
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Good question. I wonder if the synthetics have the same medical benefits as good ol' cannabis.
I always look forward to your posts.
They are so much fun to read.
A little cryptic and bizzare, but always fun.
I'm just coming down from my first few bowls of JWH-018 and I'm pretty impressed. It compares pretty favourably to weed overall imo. Musical and sexual enhancement are just as good. It seems a lot less imaginative but I got a really good body buzz - probably most like a strong indica high but still noticeably different. It also didn't give me the niggling self-consciousness and social insecurities I often get when I'm baked. Probably the best thing was that the come-down was very smooth in that I didn't feel residually hungry/lazy like I do after blazing.
I don't think this will be taking the place of weed in my heart anytime soon but it will be a good substitute in times of drought. I'm really looking forward to trying 073 sometime.
BTW, does anyone reckon jwh-018 will be cross-tolerant with THC?
I don't think this will be taking the place of weed in my heart anytime soon but it will be a good substitute in times of drought. I'm really looking forward to trying 073 sometime.
BTW, does anyone reckon jwh-018 will be cross-tolerant with THC?
What a mouth watering(and mind blowing) combination. Sounds out of this world!
That's good to hear. I've had some for months now that I never even experimented much with. The day will come, however I've had a steady supply of headies and the JWH, even if it is comparable, can't hold a candle in the wind to the real deal.
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Despite what I had said previously, I tried JWH-073 several more times, being careful only to smoke a little bit at a time holding it in and with a few minute in between tokes, in order to gauge the effects and not overdo it.
It will not replace weed for me, but I will at least say that it is pretty good and also unique to me. Specifically I find it very psychedelic: 1) It causes a sort of visual distortion of both colors and dimensions of things, though it's not nearly as beautiful as anything I've seen on other psyches, 2) It can allow for a very psychedelic mindset. Now, of course, pot (a good sativa) to me can be psychedelic as well, but I've been pretty impressed with the 'revelations' I came up with while high on JWH-073 without even meaning to go there.
It will not replace weed for me, but I will at least say that it is pretty good and also unique to me. Specifically I find it very psychedelic: 1) It causes a sort of visual distortion of both colors and dimensions of things, though it's not nearly as beautiful as anything I've seen on other psyches, 2) It can allow for a very psychedelic mindset. Now, of course, pot (a good sativa) to me can be psychedelic as well, but I've been pretty impressed with the 'revelations' I came up with while high on JWH-073 without even meaning to go there.
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Partially cross tolerant. You won't have ANY tolerance to the 'niggling self-conscious' effects of cannabis if you've got tolerance to JWH-018, but you'll have tolerance to the body buzz and euphoria and such. The aspects of cannabis' high that you find the same in JWH-018 are what you develop a tolerance to.
Are you just speaking from personal experience or are you aware of any research into this? It's alarming how little we know about these compounds...
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Personal experience, of course. I smoke copious amounts of many different types of cannabinoids daily, and have taken various breaks and staggered tolerance reductions to gauge the tolerance effects I discussed.
What are you talking about, alarming? We know more about the JWH- series of compounds than we do most of the lesser cannabinoid fraction (think - what do you know of the dozens of cannabinoids other than THC, CBN, and CBD?) of cannabis sativa and indica.
Ok so alarming was probably the wrong word, it's just that pretty much the only information I can find on these things is right here and a few erowid trip reports, and even of that a lot is speculation. Nothing whatsoever seems to be known about long-term effects, toxicology etc., which doesn't make me very comfortable. And with this stuff being so vastly cheaper than weed on a hit-for-hit basis it's taking me a lot of willpower to moderate my usage which I'd rather do until we know a bit more about these things.
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Here, have some studies:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=520822#post520822
http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v101/n6/abs/6605248a.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=a3856676f52f83dacb4997e57c829176
http://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/early/2009/10/30/1535-7163.MCT-09-0448.abstract
http://www.jleukbio.org/cgi/content/full/82/3/532
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/16116/version/1
http://www.cancer-therapy.org/CT6A/HTML/11._Fogli_&_Breschi,_103-116.html
Cheers man, that's very much appreciated, and very reassuring too. They actually inhibit cancer growth?!
Time to bring out the 018 and the pipe i reckon...
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