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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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You need to wait as long as possible for all the methadone to be completely out of your system.

It is advised you switch to a short acting opiate (morphine sulfate, hydrocodone, oxycodone) for a few days in between the methadone WD and the Suboxone.

So, then you want to wait until you're WDing from the short acting opiate, then you want to take the Suboxone.

This process (including or excluding the short acting opiate in between) may only take 2 to 3 days, it may take a week, or longer.

You can ask more about this in the Suboxone Mega Thread, or the Methadone Mega Thread.

It'll do better in the Suboxone Mega Thread.
 
I take 50mg doses of hydrocodone maybe 3 times a week (including tonight). I'm wondering how Suboxone will make me feel if I took 2 mg's tomorrow? Would I have a recreational experience?

Just to clarify, I'm not looking to quit taking hydrocodone, just looking for a cheaper alternative.
 
Will you be sick without the hydro? If so, simply wait until the brunt of the wd's come on... Meaning, don't take sub at the first sign of a runny nose, wait to feel some cold chills and sincere fatigue... You can use the "COWS" (clinical opiate withdrawal scale) you should score a minimum of 5-6 on the withdrawal scale to safely take bupe w/out precipitating wd's.

http://www.naabt.org/documents/NAABT_PrecipWD.pdf great link to read basics on sub before you take it...

IF you aren't into physical dependence (yet) then I'd say wait 18- 24 hrs to be safe... Just because you can't feel the "high" and you don't experience wd's (yet) doesn't mean that hydro isn't still on your receptors... Hydro has a short half life but I'd still wait at least 18 hrs...

You MAY feel a recreational value to sub... That's a good dose for you comparative to 50mg hydro, you may even want to try 1mg. The longer you wait the better just keep that in mind, since you took the hydro tonight, try and hold off on the sub til tomorrow evening.

Ps. I came off of 6x your hydro dose using 2mg and feel great (I take mine intranasally, I find it better than sublingual and since its only 4% less bioavailability than plugging I don't bother shooting it up my arse)

pps. intranasal: 50%

intramuscular: 68%

intrarectal: 54%

sublingual: ~30%

oral: 10%

ppps. ALL OF THIS INFO WAS FOUND ON BL ;)
 
Someone knowledgeable in this subject, if you will:

Is suboxone a good pain medicine?

Compared to other pain medicines, what does the recreational high compare to?

When taken as directed, what does it feel like? Does it really stop cravings well so I can stop thinking about getting high so often, or does it just stop physical illness?
 
mrjackjones said:
Someone knowledgeable in this subject, if you will:

Is suboxone a good pain medicine? In other countries than US it is starting to be prescribed (very low dose 0.2 mg to start) for pain in non tolerant patients. I notice that the pain form my herniated discs is taken care of nicely w/ 2mg sub

Compared to other pain medicines, what does the recreational high compare to? I've tried nearly everything, and I find it hard to compare... If you are tolerant and accustomed to a euphoria from H or oxy, don't expect that at all. HOWEVER, I still feel as though I get high from as little as 1mg while maintaining. Ask Captain Heroin, he's been able to get down to a ridiculously low dose and once stabilized there, still claims to feel a "high."

When taken as directed, what does it feel like? Does it really stop cravings well so I can stop thinking about getting high so often, or does it just stop physical illness? For me, it really stops cravings. I think for 2 reasons. 1st, it does produce a mild, yet warm opiate high that lasts for hours (from morning til I fall asleep for me). 2nd, while I'm on the sub I know damn well that any (reasonable) attempts to get high will be thwarted by sub's blocking capabilities. So this acts as a safety net and a comfort.
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Here's a current example ... I've been struggling lately, moronically bouncing from oxy to sub, trying to quit both, but relapsing nonetheless (whole notha story) Just tonight, after relapsing last night on 160mg oxy, I took 2mg suboxone and went from dope sick to comfortable, then quickly to a warm, energetic, mild high. So, while I'm not euphoric like I was last night in comparison, I am certainly not base line either... My pupils are constricted, back pain in check, and I'm about to go shoot billiards with a friend, something I'd never be bale to do(more like enjoy) in WD or with my normal back pain and fatigue... I've been on opiates over 10 yrs and have been as high as one can be I'd venture to say. I challenge anyone that says sub doesn't get you high. High is a subjective term, and one should never expect a sub high to feel like a shot of H or anything comparatively.

Did this help one iota or have I left you more confused on the issue?! I'm not sure if I've done any good here, but I think Captain Heroin can help elaborate some of my points if he cares to,
 
mrjackjones said:
Someone knowledgeable in this subject, if you will:

Is suboxone a good pain medicine?

Compared to other pain medicines, what does the recreational high compare to?

When taken as directed, what does it feel like? Does it really stop cravings well so I can stop thinking about getting high so often, or does it just stop physical illness?
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People compare suboxone to being about half the analgesic effects of heroin. Heroin is obviously a way better pain medication, but Suboxone has about half of its merits.

You can try it, and see how it works for you. Make sure you're in WD's first.

The rec. high compared to other opiates IMO varies depending on the person. I've grown to like buprenorphine a lot more than heroin, while heroin has a better "high", the high of buprenorphine is more desirable in my mind due to the lack of horrid acute WD symptoms, and it's affordability.

It definitely will help curb cravings - I have no cravings for heroin, and have been clean from it for 10 months now, about to be 11 months in about a week. However, not everyone's cravings are taken care of with Suboxone, so it really depends on how it effects you.

Ask Captain Heroin, he's been able to get down to a ridiculously low dose and once stabilized there, still claims to feel a "high."
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For sure - I take 0.25mg at a time, and I still get really high from it.
 
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russianrambozo said:
i dont understand why everything has to be in one thread it make it so difficult to find anything. what is the point.. u mods are crazy
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You couldn't find everything if there were 10,000 Suboxone threads. Plus, OD isn't only for Suboxone - it's for an immense amount of drugs.

There are many Mega Threads and FAQ's.

It is all in this thread primarily because it helps remove clutter in OD.

It's not so difficult to find anything - get used to using the search engine.
 
mrjackjones said:
Thanks for answering those questions, Captain H and DS.
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Surely...

I read over my reply and saw something terribly contradicting... I sad it takes care of my cravings, then proceeded to tell of relapses... I've recently lost a good job w/ all my benefits (awesome economy)... ,Lately I run out of illicit sub and can't seem to keep myself occupied (or un-depressed enough) to just make it through the withdrawals. I can't afford a Dr.'s fee let alone sub script so sometimes I resort to other opiates, unfortunately.

If I had my choice I'd actually prefer sub over H, oxy, whatever. I think there comes a time in a opiate addicts run where the magic is gone. When the addict truly reaches that point, sub maintenance and ultimately abstinence is the/my best option. Once I get situated w/ my current circumstances, I'll either abstain if possible or acquire health benefits to get back on sub legitimately.

No, this isn't suited for TDS, I had to add this for other readers considering suboxone to mitigate any conflicting info. Sub ftw
 
drug struggler said:
Surely...

I read over my reply and saw something terribly contradicting... I sad it takes care of my cravings, then proceeded to tell of relapses... I've recently lost a good job w/ all my benefits (awesome economy)... ,Lately I run out of illicit sub and can't seem to keep myself occupied (or un-depressed enough) to just make it through the withdrawals. I can't afford a Dr.'s fee let alone sub script so sometimes I resort to other opiates, unfortunately.

If I had my choice I'd actually prefer sub over H, oxy, whatever. I think there comes a time in a opiate addicts run where the magic is gone. When the addict truly reaches that point, sub maintenance and ultimately abstinence is the/my best option. Once I get situated w/ my current circumstances, I'll either abstain if possible or acquire health benefits to get back on sub legitimately.

No, this isn't suited for TDS, I had to add this for other readers considering suboxone to mitigate any conflicting info. Sub ftw
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I find it a true travesty that buprenorphine is so expensive for people without good insurance.

My opinion is that the war on drugs and big pharma work together so that legal drugs, OTC or RX, mostly are really expensive without good insurance. There are good drugs that are rather cheap, the older the cheaper typically. However, if you legalized all drugs, things would be a lot better. Furthermore, I do not believe "drug patents" are a good thing either. I think that drug producers should be allowed to make money off of their product as someone does royalties - for every pill bought, the company makes a certain %age - but not several hundred dollars for a month's worth of pills.

This way, drug companies have a vested interest in not producing a big "money maker" drug, and not trying to keep coming out with the "next big thing" (pharma will pump up drugs which are sub-par IMO). This way, drug companies will be interested in discovering many different kinds of medications, and making more unique drugs which have yet to been discovered/created.

Also, if you were paid a royalty for each RX sold or something, you would basically be paid the most for producing the most effective, or the most sought after, drugs. It is only normal that people are going to seek out and abuse drugs - this is no surprise to big pharma, which makes a profit off of every pill they make as is - whether it ends up in the hands of someone with a RX, or in the hands of people in Mexico who sell pills by the pound (like OC's for example). It may seem that this way, drug companies would be vested in discovering "addictive" drugs, and this may be true - if this were to happen, a generation of extremely addictive drugs may be discovered. This wouldn't be a surprise - as it's already happening (bk-MDMA, MDPV, etc). I believe the war on drugs has already created more addictive drugs as a result though; crack came about since it was a more potent form of cocaine to the end user and it made the dealer more money as it was folds more addictive than cocaine is.

However, rather addictive drugs already exist, and the most addictive drug of all time is still legal. These are my main reasons as to why all drugs should be legal.

Shambles said:
There's a button in the top right labelled "Search This Thread" it really helps to dig up the bits you are actually interested in from a bloated thread. Saves me many headaches :)
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Thanks for the protip Shambles.
 
I pay X for a bottle of 8/2mg for 60 pills. I'm on disability and am on one of those Medicare prescription plan. So its pretty cheap for me. The problem i've been having is like I take my dose of 2 8/2mg pills in the morning at around 5:30am and like say mid afternoon around 3pm I start to sweat big time, its like the sub is out of me and i'm going through withdrawals ...what do I do? Plus I get real agitated real easy by loud noise..Should I ask the doctor for a Benzo to take with it or something cause i'm in college and i'm going to be dealing with loud noise there just no way around..So i'm sorta lost and confused....anyone have an answer?
 
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^ Well I don't think you are going back into withdrawals so quickly, Bupe has a LONG half-life... But if you are looking for suggestions I would try taking just 1 8/2mg in the morning and then another at 3pm...

On the weekends I do the same thing you do, take (2) 8/2mg pills in the morning, but I'm good for the rest of the day so that's why I say it's odd that you start feeling w/d symptoms by 3pm... but everyone is different...
 
The easiest answer, one you could implement today, would be splitting that up into two doses - 8mg in the morning and 8mg in the afternoon.

You're feeling opioid withdrawals in the afternoon, so a booster of sub then should help you then. It doesn't sound like you need benzos, just a steadier suboxone regimen. Failing that, there are other things to try, but try splitting up your dose first.


I got beat hard to that answer. I'm distracted.
 
These questions about dosing have gotten me interested in this subject (again). Mostly the ugly_pickle's and CH's.


Now I'm weighing the differences between dosing once a day or multiple times. What I'm mostly curious is how many times a day do you take that microscopic dose CH? I know you've posted it before but I can't remember. Taking such a small amount 4, 6, 8 times a day probably has your plasma levels at a standstill (which is a good thing AFAIConcerned).

I've almost always taken my sub in one dose, I suppose I'm fortunate that once-a-day dosing works for me. I do wake up a little sore, so I think I'll split my dose today/tomorrow and see if there's any noticeable difference. The dude on my shoulder says it probably won't be worth my time to spread it out, but who knows.
 
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