[MEGA] God

[Enlitx]

Hmm, once an insult, always remains an insult, and as much as one tries to amend it, the more it stands out as an isult.
Finding someone's views nonsense? Is the viewer's way of viewing perhaps coming from their own judgement of what they classify as nonsense?
While a number of others view it as it is to be viewed, where one owes to step to the same position of viewing it!
The emotionally disconected, can not possibly understand the language of emotion, but can only view things from a cold and callous rationalism!

What a cold robotic world would it be, to view everything in a rational perspective!
Where does the person live? By that, I don't mean geographically!

Who says I am emotionally disconnected. I laugh, cry, and have fun regularly. Just because I can approach ideas about spirituality with reason doesen't meant that I am devoid of emotion.

 

[Enlitx]

Well, talking about theory, this is a philosophical perspective, and you come with chemistry/biochemistry to attempt to run down the ideas which come from that part of the mind or spiritual aspect, and try to kill them adding insult to injury with your derogatory comments and insults. Respect? Theories? You don't even agree our right brain has any saying in the matter. If I need spiritual atunement, I won't go asking a biochemist about it, especially one who finds no need for such "nonsense" as our views are on the philosophical and spiritual matters. Try solving the problems as in regards to chromozomes and what not, and leave it at that.

What I have done is try to apply what we know about ourselves as human beings to answer why some people come up with the theories they do. I am just trying to account for the motivation behind some of these ideas. If someone comes up with an idea that is sound and logical because it agrees with reality in an objective sense or is a good hypothesis based on what we know, I am cool with that. I think it would be wise of everyone to try and determine exactly how an idea stacks up with reality and why that idea was invented in the first place. If people would have done this with Christianity/ Greek Myths/ etc... there could have been a lot of lives saved and a lot of grief avoided.

 

[Enlitx]

mynameisnotdeja is right. Its not like the majority of humans can open up a text book in public school and be taught about the ethereal/energy work/everyone's dormant psychic abilities let alone comprehend these experiences.

Perhaps because people have tried to claim these things throughout time, and invariably they end up being a hoax or fantasy? I mean, if you look at history 2000 years ago, there was so many more claims of psychic abilities and supernatural events. Now that science has caught up and people can't just claim shit as being valid, it has all but disappeared, I wonder why?

It is because 2000 years ago if you claimed something, no one could disprove you because there was no way to know except through text. Now, you would actually have to produce something like a video. Case in point was mynameisnotdeja's claims about telekinetic energy. She claims it is real, but when pressed, can't come up with the evidence. 2000 years ago, she could have just written it down, and people would have had to take it at face value.

And please, it is not a matter of comprehension when it comes to these things, it is a matter of gullibility (in reference to psychic abilities and "energy work").

Many humans lives are effected daily, probably deja, myself along with a vast unnumbered amount who are a step ahead of human evolution & sensitive to things in that nature. These people document there experiences & there has been concrete evidence to somethings that would make your main stream in the box filtered information receiving head spin. Deja, if you dont mind id like you 2 send me a PM of a brief description of your experience.

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Just like countless people documented rising from the dead, curing blindess, making snakes talk 2000 years ago. The difference is now we have grown up as a culture, and we don't just accept fairytales as true.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

Enlitx, how exactly can one "proove" a psychic vision with a youtube video? How can I go back in time and prove things that happened to me 5 years ago? I mean, wtf? I've had these experiences yes, but what do you think? I have my own personal army of psychic superheroes at my disposal that I can just direct to do whatever I want??

You know full well the experiences I'm talking about are not something that can be proved with a youtube video, which is the only reason you are still bringing it up.

I'm just curious, why does someone like you come into a Spirituality and Philosophy forum in the first place? You know we have a science forum here, right? ANd I don't hang out in there because it's not my interest. Since you seem so against the sort of beliefs people in this forum have, why do you come in here? Do you just enjoy attacking us?

 

[Enlitx]

Enlitx, how exactly can one "proove" a psychic vision with a youtube video? How can I go back in time and prove things that happened to me 5 years ago? I mean, wtf? I've had these experiences yes, but what do you think? I have my own personal army of psychic superheroes at my disposal that I can just direct to do whatever I want??

You know full well the experiences I'm talking about are not something that can be proved with a youtube video, which is the only reason you are still bringing it up.

I was referencing the post you made that someone could throw me across the room with their mental energy. That could easily be proven with a video.

 

[L2R]

So now I have to be nice to certain theories because people ascribe to them? If an idea is absurd, I will call it that. If people can't handle having their ideas challenged in a blunt way, they shouldn't be on an internet forum. Anyways, if I attack your idea in a way that offends your beliefs, you can either research the topic and defend it with vigor, or admit you have shitty ideas in the first place.

incorrect.

you are approaching the matter using a language and attitude that impedes any progress in this discussion. rather than blindly calling "bullshit" you can far more productively note that you are skeptical since you haven't shared such experiences. either way, you're essentially saying the same thing.

and i note again, you're not going to get any evidence here on the internet. if you expect any, then perhaps you shouldn't be on an internet forum.

learn how to deal with people. look at the majority of those in this thread, both on "your side" and not, saying how you're being overtly and unecessarily rude.

 

[gorgoroth]

I'm a stubborn atheist.
But I do admire the inherant Egalitarianism in the teachings of christianity, which aren't practised by the vast majority of people that label themselves 'christian'.

 

[Enlitx]

incorrect.

you are approaching the matter using a language and attitude that contradicts any progress in this discussion. rather than blindly calling "bullshit" you can far more productively note that you are skeptical since you haven't shared such experiences.

and i note again, you're not going to get any evidence here on the internet. if you expect any, then perhaps you shouldn't be on an internet forum.

learn how to deal with people. look at the majority of those in this thread, both on "your side" and not, saying how you're being overtly and unecessarily rude.

I disagree, calling bullshit should cause people to come up with valid reasons why it is not bullshit.

It is extremely ironic that you started your post off with "incorrect". That is exactly what I am doing to other people in so many words. So you just displayed the same thing you are claiming is wrong. Maybe that is how I feel about the situation and who are you to tell me my subjective experience is wrong. Funny eh?

Most of the beliefs people have could be supported by either logic or some type of evidence that is reasonable. Just saying that you have the ability to read a mind should garner skepticism from people.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

I didn't say I could do it! Like I said, what do you think, I am a master of an army of warriors I can just instruct to do whatever I want? lol

I could introduce you to my ex fiance sometime. He can do some crazy shit. He would probably be a good person for you to talk to as well, he's very smart and more science-minded than me but also a very spiritual person. He has seen a lot of the same crazy experiences I have.

I disagree, calling bullshit should cause people to come up with valid reasons why it is not bullshit.

The reason it's not bullshit is that it's happened to me, my entire life. ALL of these things have really happened to me. So that's my reason. My experience. I don't need to give a reason anymore than that. If you want to call me a liar or not believe me, its your call. But I don't need to give any other reason. I am an open and honest person, and I have become friends with a lot of people on bluelight who I think would trust me when I share an experience with them. If you can't let go enough to trust another person's experiences once in awhile, I think you might be missing out on a lot of wisdom that is out there.

 

[L2R]

again you are incorrect.

show me how my post addresses you in a disrespectful manner. only by doing so would you substantiate this claim of irony.

 

[Enlitx]

I didn't say I could do it! Like I said, what do you think, I am a master of an army of warriors I can just instruct to do whatever I want? lol

I could introduce you to my ex fiance sometime. He can do some crazy shit. He would probably be a good person for you to talk to as well, he's very smart and more science-minded than me but also a very spiritual person. He has seen a lot of the same crazy experiences I have.

OK, but even if someone else could you should be able to videotape it. There is not reason you couldn't unless it wasn't real.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

and i note again, you're not going to get any evidence here on the internet. if you expect any, then perhaps you shouldn't be on an internet forum.

Hahah, oh snap! So true. Thank you.

 

[Enlitx]

The reason it's not bullshit is that it's happened to me, my entire life. ALL of these things have really happened to me. So that's my reason. My experience. I don't need to give a reason anymore than that. If you want to call me a liar or not believe me, its your call. But I don't need to give any other reason. I am an open and honest person, and I have become friends with a lot of people on bluelight who I think would trust me when I share an experience with them. If you can't let go enough to trust another person's experiences once in awhile, I think you might be missing out on a lot of wisdom that is out there.

I never questioned that to you it probably seemed real. Schizophrenics think a lot of shit is real, and I would never question that to them all the stuff was really happening.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

OK, but even if someone else could you should be able to videotape it. There is not reason you couldn't unless it wasn't real.

Because I am not currently in contact with the same people as I once was.

Although my ex fiance did something like this once. I'm sure I should talk about it on the public net though,so I could PM you.

But I am hesitant to share with you, for the reason of the way you come at people. If I was to share this story with you, you would be right there waiting to try and debunk it. It's one thing to argue over ideas and theories and stuff, but you have to understand, most people don't want their real life experiences de-bunked. To me that is like being doubted when you had been raped or something. I've experienced some fucked up shit, and for people to imply that it isn't "real" just because they have not experienced it, is extremely insulting to me. This is why I have not shared more of my experiences with you.

You really should think about the way you come at people.

 

[Enlitx]

again you are incorrect.

show me how my post addresses you in a disrespectful manner. only by doing so would you substantiate this claim of irony.

Calling bullshit and being skeptical are the same thing dressed up in different wrappings. I believe it is bullshit, so unless there is no substantiating evidence or logic to support it, I would call bullshit. I guess I could say, "Well, your ideas really conflict with reality and reason", but I am not one to beat around the bush.

It is coming down to semantics and how people are taking this. I am refraining from personal attacks and being unruly. I will still be candid though.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

I never questioned that to you it probably seemed real. Schizophrenics think a lot of shit is real, and I would never question that to them all the stuff was really happening.

^^*Sigh* Do you honestly NOT see what you just did there?

You just compared me to a schizophrenic. Thanks. Once again, you should really think about the way you come at people. It's called tact.

Also, you didn't answer my question. What is your motivation for coming into a spiritual and philosophical forum? Just to "call bullshit"?

 

[gorgoroth]

I thought I was speaking with god once, but it turned out to be amphetamine psychosis.
Go figure.
I see alot of anti-gay. and other discriminatives protests here.
I don't like that, I thought christianity was based on love for your fellow man?

 

[Enlitx]

Because I am not currently in contact with the same people as I once was.

Although my ex fiance did something like this once. I'm sure I should talk about it on the public net though,so I could PM you.

But I am hesitant to share with you, for the reason of the way you come at people. If I was to share this story with you, you would be right there waiting to try and debunk it. It's one thing to argue over ideas and theories and stuff, but you have to understand, most people don't want their real life experiences de-bunked. To me that is like being doubted when you had been raped or something. I've experienced some fucked up shit, and for people to imply that it isn't "real" just because they have not experienced it, is extremely insulting to me. This is why I have not shared more of my experiences with you.

You really should think about the way you come at people.

What would you expect someone to think when you make an extraordinary claim but when pressed for evidence it just can't be found. It is the same thing that has happened over and over again with ghost hunters, ESP, telekinetics, Sasquatch, etc... Everyone makes claims about things, and swears they are true, but when it comes down to it there is no reason at all to believe them.

I am just applying reason to the situation.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

Because there isn't evidence for matters which involve faith.

ONCE AGAIN, if you rely so much on evidence, and demand it, WHAT are you doing in a forum for spirituality and philosophy, two matters which usually involve a great deal of faith and open mindedness?

 

[Enlitx]

^^*Sigh* Do you honestly NOT see what you just did there?

You just compared me to a schizophrenic. Thanks. Once again, you should really think about the way you come at people. It's called tact.

Also, you didn't answer my question. What is your motivation for coming into a spiritual and philosophical forum? Just to "call bullshit"?

To be clear, I am not calling you a schizophrenic. What I was trying to do is point out that some people have experiences that are very real to them, and using a schizophrenic as an example seemed to illustrate the point pretty well.

Maybe I lack tact, but that shouldn't impede upon the conversation unless people are overly sensitive.