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Masculinity and Psychonautics?

If your a psychonaut/user of psychedelics, are you.....

  • Male?

    Votes: 215 92.3%

  • Female?

    Votes: 18 7.7%
  • Total voters
    233
^ Yep.. im in the EXACT same situation with alot of people i know (guys and girls).

It sucks in the sense that, you become alienated because you dont push yourself down to that level.. i have so many friends that are very narrow minded, almost like they see life through 'tunnel vision'.. whereas myself its more like 'peripheral vision'. I often find it hard to strike up a conversation with these people.. because i have to try and relate it to something within there grasp of things - 'the here and now'.

I've always been someone who's never quite accepted the 'social normality's'.. always been chasing something, looking for something more.

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That aside.. uniter.

I have a friend who's been using psychedelics for 5-6 years i'd say, he's too the point where.. it's almost like he has no ego, just principals, logic and research. He met another friend of mine and there now b/f and g/f. The girl she hates pot, but she likes psychedelics..(although shes only been into them about 6 months) but, she has serious emotional issues when on it.. i can tell she fights the trip the majority of the time (but she still manages to enjoy it) it's interesting to see the two interact because you have the girl who 'gives' her whole self too the guy and connects with him on a deep emotional level, but then you have the guy.. who loves her, but he never ends up investing total emotion into the relationship or relying on it. He's always trying to look beyond the horizon..

I don't really know where im going with this lol.. i just know a couple which sounded similar too your post.
 
I love this thread, it's really insightful at points, and very thought-provoking. alas, I have nothing to contribute right this second, but big thanks to everyone who has. <3 I'm glad it's bumped.

EDIT: this is my 1,337th post, I just noticed after I sent it. 1337 p\/\/|\|463.
 
Thanks Malakaix

This just came to mind: Even though she's not psychedelic minded we still have this deep connection that goes deeper than any psychedelic experience i've ever had. I feel that because of my psychedelic experiences and my alienation from the social world has made me stronger and more "true", i don't give into social pressure, i am steadfastly faithful to her and have a rock solid identity. I think this is what being a real man is all about. She sees security in me. In her world of superficial insecure meaninglessness i am an island of security, solidity, meaning, and true happiness.

Even though she will likely never be into psychedelics or understand the psychedelic experience, me, a psychedelic explorer is exactly what she wants in a man.

This where that earlier stuff in the thread about gender roles comes in. In native cultures it is usually only young men that have/are allowed to go on spiritual quests and rites of passage whether it involves psychedelics or not. It all comes back to men exploring, providing security, comfort, and happiness in a sea of nothingness, nothing to hold onto, just a person floating around in the meaningless superficial social world.

I see her and I as equally commited and emotionally invested in each other. She needs me for the above reasons and I need her for (in a weird way) the same reasons because without her I am just a lonely psychedelic explorer with no friends, no meaning to my life, no purpose. I may have depth and strength as a person, but my life has no meaning without a woman to share it with.

I thought i should add this; since this connection between us sparked a few years ago she has become a lot more masculine. She is still very feminine looking and beautiful, what i mean is she has gotten stronger, she no longer gives into social pressures like she used to, she has obtained a strong identity of her own. She's also not as superficial as she used to be (she still has her moments though). She still is far more social than me, she's just become a stronger person.
 
uniter said:
Thanks Malakaix

This just came to mind: Even though she's not psychedelic minded we still have this deep connection that goes deeper than any psychedelic experience i've ever had. I feel that because of my psychedelic experiences and my alienation from the social world has made me stronger and more "true", i don't give into social pressure, i am steadfastly faithful to her and have a rock solid identity. I think this is what being a real man is all about. She sees security in me. In her world of superficial insecure meaninglessness i am an island of security, solidity, meaning, and true happiness.
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That's an interesting way of putting it, i never thought of it like that.. but it makes complete sense.
 
^ psychedelics can indeed make men more in touch with their feminine side. But you must admit most men are too insecure with themselves to get in touch with their feminine side; they don't have the guts to shed their macho wall. IMO the psychedelic experience requires bravery to embark upon, which is traditionally a very masculine trait. Read this whole thread from the beginning to get a better handle on it, it's an incredible read.
 
I would probably agree to this until i went to a rave, but that attracts all sorts of people anyways....

One of the girls i met who happens to be a friend of the girl who convinced me to find a rave and go to one was flipping on a few hits of DOC and molly.... although most of the people were just on ecstasy....

My sister has tripped with me, and if i look at it i know a few other girls who take a good many psychs....
 
hamhurricane, I don't find the desire to try psychedelics or even research chemical psychedelics to be masculine at all. I've tripped with more girls than guys, and most of these trips have been on exotics.
 
Ayuh, it is almost defintely linked to risktaking behaviour of young and not so young males. Better then fighting, drinking, smoking, fucking etc. for the ego though IMO. Thatn is, taking psychedelics are a better risky behaviour then driving fast cars, getting drunk, having loose sex- males, in some ways, are psychopaths, they say that a psychopath is a man that fights too much and fucks too much, but how csn anyone get too much poozle?*

*Thanks Ken Kesey :)
 
theWorldWithin said:
I dont know why less women trip but I am very thankful that it is so. Girls are unstable and emotional enough, they really do not need further mindfuck to torture their husbands/boyfriends lives with.

I strongly believe that in general females are not properly equiped in the mental sense to really go far out there and return to society in one piece. Just look at how fucked up most women who smoke marijuana daily are.
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You, sir, are an awful jackass.
 
I think we need to make the distinction between taking psychedelics and psychonautics. Whenever i take psychedelics in a social setting the trip is very light and superficial, it doesn't really make me delve into my subconscious. Taking psychedelics and being confronted face to face with raw truth and then feeling the ecstasy of having been set free from ignorance is different than getting all giggly and talkative because your on a psychedelic, this thread is about masculinity and psychonautics
 
Lets remember this thread is a year old or therabouts, so people may not reposnd to your comments to them.

Well, lets take psychonautics to mean "people who explore their brain using psychedelic drugs" which can be anyone who decides it.

This thread needs a poll- I shall add one :)
 
uniter said:
^ psychedelics can indeed make men more in touch with their feminine side. But you must admit most men are too insecure with themselves to get in touch with their feminine side; they don't have the guts to shed their macho wall. IMO the psychedelic experience requires bravery to embark upon, which is traditionally a very masculine trait. Read this whole thread from the beginning to get a better handle on it, it's an incredible read.
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I would agree that the ACT of taking psychedelics (say, LSD for the first time) requires...balls. But the actual HIGH from all the psychedelics I've taken has been anything BUT masculine.

By analogy, say you have two types of drugs, A (physical drug analogue), and B (psychedelic analogue). If A turns lambs into lions, and B turns lions into lambs, but only lions have the cajones to try B, then which type of drug is more masculine?
 
Okey, I added a poll- basically asking if your male or female. The results will not be public- ie. you won't know who is voting for what, so your privacy is intact. You don't have to write a reply to vote as well if your not comfortable. :)
 
By analogy, say you have two types of drugs, A (physical drug analogue), and B (psychedelic analogue). If A turns lambs into lions, and B turns lions into lambs, but only lions have the cajones to try B, then which type of drug is more masculine?
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I see what you're saying. For me psychedelics have gotten me in touch with my feminine side as a whole they have made me anything but more feminine. In a fight or argument situation i am more likely to calmly try to work out the issue, be reasonable and thoughtlful but if the other person is clearly in the wrong my masculinity takes over and i am balls to the walls going to fight to the perverbial death. I don't think drug B turns lions into lambs, i think it make the lions more open to reason before the typical lion traits come out.

And i definately feel psychedelics have made me stronger and more masculine.

I put male in the poll, wait let me check my pants to make sure....okay pfffew
 
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My drug of choice would have to be LSD . Plenty if not all of the girls i chill with would take a hit of acid if I offered it . Most of them don't have the same desire as me to revisit that mindset over and over again however . Ive been tripping for 10 years now and it hasn't grown old for me in the slightest. Hopefully someday I'll meet a girl who's as intrigued by these wonderful compounds as myself :D
 
I can't believe I'm the only girl who has voted - I think perhaps this has more to do with the nature of internet forums mostly being populated by blokes than more blokes liking psychedelics. I know plenty of ladies who like them, they just don't spend any time discussing them on the internet.

Contrary to what many people were saying, my psych use is nothing to do with my boyfriend.. he has had far less experience in this area than i, and much later in life.
 
Hehe, I think they'd find it a bit too geeky. A lot of people unfortunately only see a recreational side to psychedelic substances - just another thing to enable them to have a more fun break from work, and they only take them very occasionally. I see them more as a tool to understand a bit more about the brain (and the fun is a big bonus!) I wonder how many females stay as active posters on bluelight for many years?

My guy is becoming more knowledgeable about them nowadays but is much more sensible than me and prefers to spend his time producing music.. sometimes I wish I could turn off my obsession and concentrate on something else and quit my internet addiction!
 
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