Masculinity and Psychonautics?

[swilow]

^Maybe you need to meet more people? I know a lot of girls that enjoy tripping, they just often don't seem to care to talk about every minute detail...

 

[Immortal Teknique]

Eh, im one of those people in my group of friends that is full of bizarre ideas/thoughts and looks at things much differently to everyone else. They aren't on my level at all, gets annoying.

And with that, it means the girls we know are of similar mental capacity

 

[B9]

^Exact percentage NOW!!! Sources, graphs, flow charts....you have to backup your claims b9. I wanna know what Einstein thought of this

Like all things psychedelic & Einstienien - it's all relative swilow %)


Einstein agrees with me wholeheartedly BTW.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Im yet to meet a girl who loves tripping as much as myself. Its quite sad, really.

And by girl i don't mean girlfriend, any girl i meet frowns upon psychedelics or believes one of the many myths that float around about them.

Meh.

Maybe you need to get out & meet more women!

Damn the swillowy one beat me to it!

 

[swilow]

Like all things psychedelic & Einstienien - it's all relative swilow %)


Einstein agrees with me wholeheartedly BTW.

Sorry, but God- as in the Creator of the Multiverse- told me that evrything you said ever is wrong. I was a bit taken aback but then he gifted me with the Divine Girth of Goliath and I asked no more.

 

[chicpoena]

I'm a girl, and most of my psychonaut friends are girls! Also, most of the girls I meet at festivals are really into tripping too. Maybe it's just the girls you know?

In general though, I think slightly more men than women do drugs because of the stigma associated with drug use. But female drug users (at least the ones I know) party just as hard as the boys, if not harder.

 

[The Is]

I just don't think girls are retarded enough to waste time typing about their drug fueled philosophy and 'enlightenment' on the internet.

They're naturally smarter than males in that regard- sort of the same reason women aren't known for being famous philosophers or religious nuts. It doesn't mean they aren't philosophical or religious, it means they're more into walking the walk than talking the talk.

I mean, in my life if I offer hallucinogens to a girl they're almost always ready to see what happens. Guys are much more scared in general. I wish the internet forum drug crowd would start to realize they're a really tiny weird niche that isn't at all representative of real world drug users.

 

[The Is]

I am a female, and when I began reading the thread I felt a bit angry that men feel that women in general aren't as into self exploration, growth,

But you've gotta admit, for most women self-exploration doesn't go far beyond squatting over a hand mirror.

Your an idiot. Enjoy the warning- swilow

 

[B9]

Sorry, but God- as in the Creator of the Multiverse- told me that evrything you said ever is wrong. I was a bit taken aback but then he gifted me with the Divine Girth of Goliath and I asked no more.

What hat was he/she wearing at the time (another relativist concept BTW) Swilow ?

This is of the utmost importance - & I guess you didn't actually take note - or did you ?

 

[*Love*Lite*]

But you've gotta admit, for most women self-exploration doesn't go far beyond squatting over a hand mirror.

extreme over generalization...

 

[Xorkoth]

I just don't think girls are retarded enough to waste time typing about their drug fueled philosophy and 'enlightenment' on the internet.

They're naturally smarter than males in that regard- sort of the same reason women aren't known for being famous philosophers or religious nuts. It doesn't mean they aren't philosophical or religious, it means they're more into walking the walk than talking the talk.

I mean, in my life if I offer hallucinogens to a girl they're almost always ready to see what happens. Guys are much more scared in general. I wish the internet forum drug crowd would start to realize they're a really tiny weird niche that isn't at all representative of real world drug users.

But you've gotta admit, for most women self-exploration doesn't go far beyond squatting over a hand mirror.

...So which is it?

 

[feelgoodhit]

But you've gotta admit, for most women self-exploration doesn't go far beyond squatting over a hand mirror.

whoa dude, shut the fuck up please.

i don't even want to go into how wrong, innappropriate, ignorant, & generally uneducated that attitude is... *sigh*

 

[swilow]

What hat was he/she wearing at the time (another relativist concept BTW) Swilow ?

This is of the utmost importance - & I guess you didn't actually take note - or did you ?

Reverse sock-hat. Colour-mauve to green. Style- 1921, Weimar Republic. Maker- Svenson Lignocaine. Size- neanderthal brow.

 

[burn out]

I ran a quick search and came up with this. Basically it says males have more opportunities to use drugs but after being presented with the opportunity young males and females are just as likely to try psychedelics and continue to use them. I think being into psychedelics today involves a factor that the article above doesn't account for though. For the most part, obtaining and using a wide array of unresearched psychedelic chemicals (and it is this promise of novelty beyond the standard LSD/mushroom choices that motivates many of us) is not a matter of social opportunity/maintenance but a matter of an individual's motivation to independently seek them out (a behavior pattern more strongly associated with males.) It may be that the ostensible fact that males tend to use psychedelics much more prevalently and with a greater fervor than females is partially a result of unresearched chemicals being removed from the explicitly social contexts of other psychedelics--where, again, females appear to be just as likely to try and to continue to use them.

it seems very odd to me that when presented with the opportunity, more people use hallucinogens than marijuana. that just doesn't sound right. i know people who aren't into drugs at all but still tried marijuana, yet would never touch mushrooms. anyone else find this odd?

 

[feelgoodhit]

regardless of the research topic, if i see "NIDA" at the top of a webpage, i take every word with a huge grain of salt.

 

[AndroidsDreamofBTC]

I just don't think girls are retarded enough to waste time typing about their drug fueled philosophy and 'enlightenment' on the internet.

They're naturally smarter than males in that regard- sort of the same reason women aren't known for being famous philosophers or religious nuts. It doesn't mean they aren't philosophical or religious, it means they're more into walking the walk than talking the talk.

I mean, in my life if I offer hallucinogens to a girl they're almost always ready to see what happens. Guys are much more scared in general. I wish the internet forum drug crowd would start to realize they're a really tiny weird niche that isn't at all representative of real world drug users.

I think the male:female ratio of psychedelic drug use isn't just due to the fact that more males tend to go to forums (most girls I know wouldn't really even know what an internet forum is). There are definite social and biological pressures that make it more likely for males to use psychedelic drugs. To rehash much of what has been said in this thread:

-Men are much better at maintaining loner/unpopular attitudes/interests. Girls tend to be more likely to avoid stigmatization and they seem to conform more. Guys are more likely to create a sort of self-defense mechanism that isolates them from social stigmatization/unpopularity. Of course, this is generalization.
-Social expectations are different from men and women. Men tend to be pressured into pissing contest type attitudes to life. There is much more competitive pressure on males in western society. This contributes to psychedelic drug use is two ways, it pressures you to push limits (find meaning in life, stuff like that) and it increases the likelihood of males seeking psychedelic drugs as an antidote to social pressures. Women on the other hand seem to be much more content with just taking life for what it is and engaging in mindless pissing contests...
-Biological difference have a role too. Evolutionary speaking men are the ones who engage in risky behavior, women tend to be more cautious/less crazy. This makes it easier for males to overcome social pressure and/or get involved in risky behaviors (I love drugs, but you have to admit that they involve a certain amount of risk, nothing that can't be dealt with, but yeah) such as drug use.

While I know a fair amount of girls who like using drugs (I might even say I know more girls who use drugs then those who don't), I have to say girls tend to have a different attitude to drugs. They definitely use less psychedelics and seem to prefer stuff like coke/speed/E. They also tend to geek out less on drugs, I've never heard a girl rave on about the how she realized 'the ebb and flow of reality' or anything like that. Even when girls do psychedelics, they tend to have a different attitude then men, not to say guys don't do psychedelics just for fun...

Of course, this is not applicable to all women...

With regards to girls and psychedelic drug use, stay away from rural states in USA and top 50 American universities (or even worse, a combination of both). I moved from Europe to the USA and man if there is one thing I miss most is laid back girls who would be down for even having some E on a Friday night.

Oh, another thing. Does anyone notice a similarity between geeking out on psychedelics and geeking out on computers. It's kind of like the flip side of the same coin. Computers kind of offer an alternate world in which immerse yourself, normal rules of society don't really apply. Psychedelics are kind of like that as well...

 

[swilow]

^I think it would be wise to stay away from social generalisations that you have observed personally. I think its a bit sad that some people are implying that it is macho to take psychs; sure, it may appeal to the male psyche for that reason, but thats actually really quite a weak and lame reason for using drugs. If you take psychedelics for the purpose of risktaking, its probably better to simply skydive/parachute/base jump/etc.

 

[tobala]

hi! so I am a female. and I use psychedelics for adventure, self-exploration and spiritual growth. I have been known to geek out over research chems on occasion (sans boyfriend) and spend ridiculous amounts of time doing research on interesting compounds/interactions.

and I like good music...

I don't know you, I've never met you, but I'm madly in love with you.

I'm willing to travel thousands of miles so that (apologies in advance for the cliche) your whimsy is my command, and I will undergo any anatomical surgery necessary so that I may have your babies.

I will be the wingdings to your sansserif.

BTW, do you like Pink Floyd? :D

 

[B9]

Reverse sock-hat. Colour-mauve to green. Style- 1921, Weimar Republic. Maker- Svenson Lignocaine. Size- neanderthal brow.

Only one such hat was ever created (by cosmically charged & wind powered artisans of Esquimaux antecedents - FYI seeing as you show an interest ) & I stole it from the "divine creator" as you choose to say it - gimme back the "Divine Girth of Goliath" please - it's simply a far eastern copy anyway

 

[squerll]

Most women like thing that make them feel comfortable, secure, sexy and pretty. It is the essence of female energy.
They usually don’t want their ego and their reality ripped apart.
I have know quite a few crazy hippy women who like psychedelics usually they are the same kind that will go hitchhike a crossed the country and live at rainbow gatherings for months on end and don’t give a fuck about security and comfort.