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Meth withdrawal makes me extremely violent and agressive, today I fucking DROPPED some crackhead who tried to mug me, I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm living proof, i'm a statistic now, don't do meth kids.
 
gorgoroth said:
Meth withdrawal makes me extremely violent and agressive, today I fucking DROPPED some crackhead who tried to mug me, I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm living proof, i'm a statistic now, don't do meth kids.
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Gak whoops crack! lol keep up the good work tho, seriously
 
well done gorgoroth - yes meth withdrawal can make u extremely volatile
benzos often help, but in ur case, cos uve had problems with benzos too, might b a better idea to get hold of some strong valerian root - like 2gm+
im promoting this stuff to evryone these days!
claire - in the end if u really want to give up meth, its fucking hard but u can do it
i was on it 8 yrs
in the end i needed 3-4gms a day (not trying to dicksize/pussysize/watever) but take 2 stints in rehab, 4 in detox, 2 yrs of drug counselling and a yr of NA and now ive bn clean 14 months (from meth anyway)
do watever it takes - if ur desperate enough ull do anything to get off the stuff
PM me if u ever want a chat - greenlighters can PM mods
take care
 
glad to know someone else can do it, if u can i can drug wench! that must have been very hard..
i've been considering going to the doctor to get professional help..what do you think?
 
AphexAcid93 said:
you're goddamn right, :\
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After a 4 month stint free of meth, that was exactly what brought me back. That urge that just tells you it would be so much easier and better if you just smoked some...

That urge is the same reason i don't see myself quitting any time in the foreseeable future, its like satisfying a really bad itch...only a whole lot better.
 
claire22 said:
glad to know someone else can do it, if u can i can drug wench! that must have been very hard..
i've been considering going to the doctor to get professional help..what do you think?
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depends on the doctor - a doctor can help u out with the initial detox by prescribing u benzos and maybe antipsychotics if u need them, but they will not explore the issues behind the addiction, help u cope with cravings and teach u to stop urself in ur tracks if u feel ur going to relapse
a drug counsellor wud b better for this
do u mind me asking how much u use a day? and do u shoot/snort/smoke/....? cos if ur using IV heavily (id consider anything over 1gm a day fairly heavy) then u will probly hav to look into much more than counselling
dont get me wrong, counselling was helpful, but in the end i really had to do the NA thing to get clean off meth, cos of the supportive and spiritual atmosphere
i stopped going after a yr as the cravings died down sufficiently that i felt it was time to move on
NAs philosophy is once an addict, always an addict - mine is that while i cant use the drugs that ruined my life (meth/opiates) theres no reason why i cant occasionally use others
u dont hav to believe evrything evryone has to say there, it just teaches u some really good basics for connecting with who u r again after the big identity crisis that often occurs wen u quit drugs
rehab may b a gd idea too if u can find a gd one
ive bn to 2 rehabs and wasnt impressed with either - one was posh as and introduced me to a whole heap more (rich and famous) meth users who i left and used with
one had a policy that as ur a drug addict u shud therefore b punished by being put to slave-driven work all day (wen ur still detoxing), and i got offered drugs there - needless to say i left after 5 days
anyway thats rambling, as i tend to do
just some hopefully helpful suggestions
actually the real motivator in my getting off meth was my horse maverick - i wanted to b alive to see him blossom and to b the one to ride him to victory
and i hav, several times
noreason - yea at 4 months off meth the cravings r still intense as, i wont lie about that
but give it, say a yr or so and they do die down, just in case u ever want to get off the shit for good
yea i still crave it if im stressed but id rather go thru the stress than b as sick as i was towards the end
meth truly almost killed me
 
its true "the drug controls the user", even once you stop you still think about it, wanting it.
and i use half a gram to a gram a day, expensive habit i must say.
i have never IV'd, i have been tempted but I cannot stick a needle in my arm.
So I smoke it.
dextroamphetamine - do you think it will help if a doc prescribes it?
im not so sure about it ..its sort of like kicking one and starting another.
like methadone users cant get off for years...i dont have years....
rehab - not sure how much it would cost but quite sure i couldnt afford it
and also the issue you addressed of meeting other users opening new doors etc
i hope everything goes alright for me...im pretty sure im going to get a drug counselor cos i cant do this on my own.
 
do watever feels right for u hun - remember were here to support u all the way and my PM box is always open for any questions or advice
0.5 - 1gm a day is fairly heavy use but its not shocking...just, as u say, expensive
im not encouraging u here by any means - in fact i wudnt say this if i didnt know u were scared of needles - but the fact is u use that much partly cos ur on the pipe
the pipe is a fairly inefficient means to getting high on meth, tho granted the high lasts longer than other methods
so actually considering uve bn using 6 yrs i think ur doing extremely well
my friend lauras bn on the pipe for a yr and shes already smoking 1gm a day
im sure there r govt-funded rehabs in australia but those do tend to b the ones where u meet the ppl who rnt motivated to get off drugs and r happy to offer u some IME
capri clinic (the posh one i went to) was $15000 all up.....pretty expensive really esp considering i just went back to using so u hav a point as far as rehab goes (humourless pun)
as for dextroamphetamine
i dont know about in australia but they will not prescribe it to u here for meth addiction
i was honest with my psychiatrist - i said to him from the start 'i am using P' (P being our word for meth)
i was put on dexies - but only cos i turned out to hav ADHD, and even then my shrink wasnt keen to prescribe me anything amphetamine - i was tried on evry other ADHD med under the sun before he finally gave in and let me hav dexies, and even then i get them doled out to me by my mum (not currently while im having 'benzo issues') under his instruction
which im quite thankful for cos i know id happily snort the whole bottle of pills at once if i cud get my hands on them
unfortunately, yes dextroamphetamine does help with meth cravings
if u can find a doctor wholl prescribe it for this....well its better than using meth, but like u say, it is sort of like kicking one and starting another
and itd b incredibly hard not to abuse the pills
wellbutrin can help with meth cravings, so ive heard - maybe u cud ask about this
 
if i had the cash i would be going mental with the drugs so im kinda glad its expensive!
a gram doesnt get me high it just makes me normal
i've got a massive tolerance now
but i know ill never IV so i'm not worried about that :)
rehab hmmmm im not sure about it..i know most go straight back and use again..maybe a support group or something?
i havent researched whether they supply amphets to recovering meth addicts, but i hv a feeling they wouldn't. and true it would be very very hard not to abuse the pills!
i feel as tho meth is a part of my life now, a part of me, i dont know when im ever gonna take that last puff i sort of dread the day. because it means i will have to worry about relapsing pretty much the rest of my life.
its a terrifying thought letting go of it! its been my best friend , yet my worst enemy..
its given me the best times and the worst times
i just dont want to quit, then go back to it, i want to make sure that it will be permanent.
but my cigarette addiction, never gonna be able to quit there, hahaha
thats my worst addiction!!
 
claire22 said:
a gram doesnt get me high it just makes me normal
i've got a massive tolerance now
rehab hmmmm im not sure about it..i know most go straight back and use again..maybe a support group or something?
i feel as tho meth is a part of my life now, a part of me, i dont know when im ever gonna take that last puff i sort of dread the day. because it means i will have to worry about relapsing pretty much the rest of my life.
its a terrifying thought letting go of it! its been my best friend , yet my worst enemy..
its given me the best times and the worst times
i just dont want to quit, then go back to it, i want to make sure that it will be permanent.
but my cigarette addiction, never gonna be able to quit there, hahaha
thats my worst addiction!!
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god claire, i can totally relate to evrything ur saying tbh
no i know wat u mean by the G not making u high, just normal - towards the end, maintenance doses for me were 3gms a day.....so if i wanted to get high (which was fairly often as u can imagine) i went thru 4gms a day
the best support group u will find IME will b NA - but u hav to b prepared that if ur going to go there ur going to hav many of ur beliefs challenged
dont worry, its spiritual, not religious tho u will hear otherwise on BL - many anti-NA ppl here
the thing is to keep an open mind and if u dont like wat they hav to say just let it go in one ear and out the other - take from the meetings wat u find valuable
as meth is fairly rampant in australia, u will not b alone in DOC at the meetings
and if u ever decide u r at a place where ur strong enough to stop going, dont feel guilty about ceasing to go - some ppl will try and make u feel guilty for this decision....that is not right
my NA 'friend' (who wont see me anymore) told me she predicted 'give it a month or so and ull b back on that P' - ive proved her wrong already
TDS is also a support group in a way
as for meth feeling like a part of u - of course it does, hun....uve done it for 6 yrs
its become like a partner to u - u will go thru a period of grief losing it like the period of grief we go thru losing anything or anyone else dear to us
theres nothing wrong with grieving
and theres nothing wrong with relapsing either - as long as wen it happens, u stop urself in ur tracks and throw away the remainders of wat u had left
never feel like a failure cos uve used again - a failure is only someone who then says 'fuck it' and goes back to it forever
i believe u r too sick of it to ever go and do that to urself
the worst thing u can do if u relapse is beat urself up
see if u can find a relapse prevention course thru the various drug counselling services in australia
finally, cigarettes release dopamine (to a much less extent than meth) - therefore while theyre not gd for u, they can actually b helpful in meth withdrawal
if u dont want to stop smoking....dont stop smoking
although if u go on wellbutrin ull probly fiend less for cigarettes and meth as it helps ur brain release dopamine!
gorgoroth - does the dex help u with cravings?
ive found since ive come off mine ooooh boy hav i wanted to bang some P....
keep at it, trooper!
 
So stay nourished, hydrated and be sure to brush regularly and you shouldn't have any problems with your chops. Your kidneys on the other hand...
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What effects would meth have on your kidneys? Because I've had pretty much constant treatment resistent bladder infections the last few months and to me it seems connected to when I smoke. But when I mentioned that to the doctor she didn't seem to think it was connected, apart from meth just making me generally run down.
 
meth permanently fucked my kidneys and bladder
at my lowest point (IVing up to 4gms a day) i had a catheter attached to my bladder cos i actually cudnt pee
i hav had constant kidney pains and kidney/bladder infections since
from blood tests it has bn confirmed that there is minor permanent damage to my kidneys
and i often hav to really strain to pee even wen i dont hav an infection
yes it most likely is connected, footscrazy - many doctors actually seem to know jackshit about meth
make sure u keep urself hydrated wen ur using - esp at high doses
drink a lot of powerade/mizone as they hydrate u very rapidly....its best to drink at least a large glass of liquid on the hr
this is the best way to avoid kidney/bladder damage but if u use heavily long-term, i think the damage to some degree is inevitable
 
footscrazy said:
What effects would meth have on your kidneys? Because I've had pretty much constant treatment resistent bladder infections the last few months and to me it seems connected to when I smoke. But when I mentioned that to the doctor she didn't seem to think it was connected, apart from meth just making me generally run down.
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If your doctor isn't aware of the havoc that meth wreaks on your kidneys then I'd find a new doctor. Meth is excreted by the kidneys and is incredibly hard on them.
 
drug_wench said:
no i know wat u mean by the G not making u high, just normal - towards the end, maintenance doses for me were 3gms a day.....so if i wanted to get high (which was fairly often as u can imagine) i went thru 4gms a day
the best support group u will find IME will b NA - but u hav to b prepared that if ur going to go there ur going to hav many of ur beliefs challenged
dont worry, its spiritual, not religious tho u will hear otherwise on BL - many anti-NA ppl here
the thing is to keep an open mind and if u dont like wat they hav to say just let it go in one ear and out the other - take from the meetings wat u find valuable
as meth is fairly rampant in australia, u will not b alone in DOC at the meetings
and if u ever decide u r at a place where ur strong enough to stop going, dont feel guilty about ceasing to go - some ppl will try and make u feel guilty for this decision....that is not right
my NA 'friend' (who wont see me anymore) told me she predicted 'give it a month or so and ull b back on that P' - ive proved her wrong already
TDS is also a support group in a way
as for meth feeling like a part of u - of course it does, hun....uve done it for 6 yrs
its become like a partner to u - u will go thru a period of grief losing it like the period of grief we go thru losing anything or anyone else dear to us
theres nothing wrong with grieving
and theres nothing wrong with relapsing either - as long as wen it happens, u stop urself in ur tracks and throw away the remainders of wat u had left
never feel like a failure cos uve used again - a failure is only someone who then says 'fuck it' and goes back to it forever
i believe u r too sick of it to ever go and do that to urself
the worst thing u can do if u relapse is beat urself up
see if u can find a relapse prevention course thru the various drug counselling services in australia
finally, cigarettes release dopamine (to a much less extent than meth) - therefore while theyre not gd for u, they can actually b helpful in meth withdrawal
if u dont want to stop smoking....dont stop smoking
although if u go on wellbutrin ull probly fiend less for cigarettes and meth as it helps ur brain release dopamine!
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4 g's a day...woowww.. your heart would be going crazy!
a few times i've done 3G in a day..and i thought i was gonna have a heart attack, and of course with the extra paranoia i freaked myself out, and once i got myself so worked up i had a mild seizure, scariest moment of my life!
i'm going to ring up a few places, decide whereabouts to seek help. i will kiss meth goodbye hopefully for the last time.
i will have to rid myself of some friends obviously. wont be easy but what has to be done will be done.
and meth pretty much is a boyfriend to me, one that hurts me but i still love it so much.
relapsing is something ill do my best to avoid but you're right its not the end of the world if i do, i've always got a chance to kick it and i KNOW i eventually will rid myself of it.
and yes im much to sick to do it to myself..like you i also have kidney probs and bladder problems.
the under neath of my ribs where the kidneys are located sometimes absolutely kill..constant bladder infection
i pee like a pregnant woman! but when i do pee the tiniest drop comes out but then i need to pee again 5 seconds later
very frustrating.
i have a massive supply of antibiotics for it (as you can imagine im very susceptible to infection, anything u can name gets infected once i get off the antibiotics) ive had about 10 throat infections this year and a few saliva gland infections. another reason to get off the stuff im sick of being sick! and when i do get sick i take huge doses of painkillers, sometimes opiates (pill form) or paracetamol mixed with the opiates.
so my body and mind are pretty much fucked up!

dont think ill be quitting smoking anytime soon, im prepared for when i kick the meth i may need a few packets a day ahaha keep myself occupied.
ill also stock up on food to preoccupy myself :)
 
Thanks DW... I am going to try to get a prescription in January (when I get back from visiting family). As far as paranoia goes... that happens if I stay up all night or for a few days, but lately I've been forcing myself to get enough sleep each night if I do adderall, and it definately helps me feel better! Plus it works better if I get enough food and sleep while on it, so that's more motivation for me to take care of myself and NOT get paranoid or other problems.

drug_wench said:
i suggest if u feel ur going to abuse it, get it given to u by daily pick-up or get someone u trust to look after the pills for u
if u hav ADD, u probly hav anxiety/depression and taking a med will control all these things plus help u develop the tools for dealing with life med-free (i dont believe any of us shud stay on our meds forever - theyre for teaching us to manage our lives as a person with AD/H/D, a tool like i say)
on the other hand the main thing i wud wory about with u, wingnut, is that rather than getting addicted to the adderall u tend to suffer from paranoia right? cos even ppl with AD(H)D can suffer from paranoia on even medicinal amphetamine doses.....i know i cant take dexamphetamine if i havnt had a proper nights sleep beforehand for instance (i hav suffered from paranoia.....now fairly mild but definitely still there.....since the meth days)
remember also if u dont want to go the medication route there r many other alternative ways of helping ur brain combat ADD symptoms - lots of B vitamins, fish oil, methionine, tyrosine and deer velvet r all helpful
theres also always the feingold diet etc but a mate of mine went on that as a kid and it did shit all - still if ur interested u cud google it
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