Opioid withdrawl shopping list

[Kurt Cobain]

No

benzos ( as long as you don't already have a habit/have had a habit and stop after ~5 days) I've quite literally slept through withdrawal before. Though I also blacked out and seem to have taken over 100 bars (at least thats how much was missing when I counted them afterwards) and....... shit the bed.

But I felt pretty good when I woke up.... 4 days later.

To be clear.... I am not suggesting.... that... be safe.

No issue with any drugs aside from opiated but sadly no benzos around not that I can get at least

 

[cnnka]

Phenibut with Lyrica would be too much I’ll say pick one or the other.
For propranolol 10mg is already a tiny dose the lower mg strength pill is 20mg.
Also mangolia is very good recommendation it makes your head and your body quiet like when you sleep but you don’t sleep I used to mix it with 7 to increase sedation and it worked very well but also took some euphoria away. Try to find mangolol extract that’s what really works.

 

[Ozymandeus]

Were not talking kratom here my man and kratom wd is much much more than opioid withdrawl there over 30 psychoactive alkaloids that all work in synergy and its not just oh get more dopamime= your fine,

I am also intimately familiar with how bad the withdrawals are and their general characteristics. Have gone cold turkey from a 1000mg+ 7oh habit and a 60gpd kratom habit.

The pharmacological mechanism of withdrawal is far more complex than dopamine loss, but in my experience it can be generally and effectively mitigated by replacing it. So can heroin withdrawals. I have successfully cold turkey'd heroin with nothing but methamphetamine and lope. I generally don't recommend people do this, though. Also NEVER combine meth with kratom alkaloids. It will induce psychosis. I've experienced this side effect of the combo.

 

[cnnka]

I am also intimately familiar with how bad the withdrawals are and their general characteristics. Have gone cold turkey from a 1000mg+ 7oh habit and a 60gpd kratom habit.

The pharmacological mechanism of withdrawal is far more complex than dopamine loss, but in my experience it can be generally and effectively mitigated by replacing it. So can heroin withdrawals. I have successfully cold turkey'd heroin with nothing but methamphetamine and lope. I generally don't recommend people do this, though. Also NEVER combine meth with kratom alkaloids. It will induce psychosis. I've experienced this side effect of the combo.

Kratom and its alkaloids are very weird.

How would you compare kratom WD vs 7OH WD , I’ve gone through both and I’ll like to hear your experience.
For me 7OH WD is more psychological rather than physical , physical symptoms last 2-3 days and aren’t very bad but the psychological aspect like anxiety , depression, intrusive thoughts is very challenging.
With kratom it was more a full package for me all the typical opiate physical withdrawals for around 10-15 days plus all the psychological that 7 has around the same intensity.
Overall I found kratom to be worse overall not that 7 it’s easy.

 

[Ozymandeus]

Kratom and its alkaloids are very weird.

How would you compare kratom WD vs 7OH WD , I’ve gone through both and I’ll like to hear your experience.
For me 7OH WD is more psychological rather than physical , physical symptoms last 2-3 days and aren’t very bad but the psychological aspect like anxiety , depression, intrusive thoughts is very challenging.
With kratom it was more a full package for me all the typical opiate physical withdrawals for around 10-15 days plus all the psychological that 7 has around the same intensity.
Overall I found kratom to be worse overall not that 7 it’s easy.

I've been so intensely physically and mentally agitated by pseudoindoxyl withdrawal it felt like I was going into psychosis. Scares me just thinking about it. That's honestly the worst part for me, the complete inability to sit still or relax. Even in heroin withdrawals I can generally find some semblance of comfort by laying in bed. Hard to do that with kratom (without any comfort meds).

But if you just go to the hospital they'll give you Ativan which takes a lot of the severity of the withdrawal away.

Suboxone doesn't do much for it either.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I am also intimately familiar with how bad the withdrawals are and their general characteristics. Have gone cold turkey from a 1000mg+ 7oh habit and a 60gpd kratom habit.

The pharmacological mechanism of withdrawal is far more complex than dopamine loss, but in my experience it can be generally and effectively mitigated by replacing it. So can heroin withdrawals. I have successfully cold turkey'd heroin with nothing but methamphetamine and lope. I generally don't recommend people do this, though. Also NEVER combine meth with kratom alkaloids. It will induce psychosis. I've experienced this side effect of the combo.

I've been so intensely physically and mentally agitated by pseudoindoxyl withdrawal it felt like I was going into psychosis. Scares me just thinking about it. That's honestly the worst part for me, the complete inability to sit still or relax. Even in heroin withdrawals I can generally find some semblance of comfort by laying in bed. Hard to do that with kratom (without any comfort meds).

But if you just go to the hospital they'll give you Ativan which takes a lot of the severity of the withdrawal away.

Suboxone doesn't do much for it either.

Kratom wd makes me restless af more so than smack but 7oh and mgm give me.the same.restlessness with the most intense sheer panic feeling I've had and ya bot much helps. I fucking wish I had enough benzos just to knock myself out but I cant get shut in thus town. I just went and got a tank of n20 doesnt swem to help much either tbh

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I've been so intensely physically and mentally agitated by pseudoindoxyl withdrawal it felt like I was going into psychosis. Scares me just thinking about it. That's honestly the worst part for me, the complete inability to sit still or relax. Even in heroin withdrawals I can generally find some semblance of comfort by laying in bed. Hard to do that with kratom (without any comfort meds).

But if you just go to the hospital they'll give you Ativan which takes a lot of the severity of the withdrawal away.

Suboxone doesn't do much for it either.

Subs don't touch 7oh wd or mgm at all for me, helps loads with plain leaf of.course but even like 36mgs of bupe will not do shit for .e so I didnt even bother picking some.up.thus go around

 

[Ozymandeus]

Kratom wd makes me restless af more so than smack but 7oh and mgm give me.the same.restlessness with the most intense sheer panic feeling I've had and ya bot much helps. I fucking wish I had enough benzos just to knock myself out but I cant get shut in thus town. I just went and got a tank of n20 doesnt swem to help much either tbh

Ya I was pissed when I was in the hospital detoxing because they would only give me Ativan and that wasn't enough but they refused to give me anything else even haloperidol or suboxone. Hydroxyzine was a joke.

I have scars because I kept unintentionally ripping my IV hardline out. The experience was overall a nightmare and has given me fears of detoxing in hospitals instead of actual detox centers. The difference between the two is radical.

Detoxing from kratom in detox places wasn't bad for me because they hook it up with muscle relaxers like methocarbamol, which takes a lot of the kratom withdrawal away.

The only forgiving part of severe kratom withdrawal is how short it is. The PAWS are just as long, but the most severe and acute effects are always gone by 72hr. Heroin withdrawals last longer more like 5-6 days.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Ya I was pissed when I was in the hospital detoxing because they would only give me Ativan and that wasn't enough but they refused to give me anything else even haloperidol or suboxone. Hydroxyzine was a joke.

I have scars because I kept unintentionally ripping my IV hardline out. The experience was overall a nightmare and has given me fears of detoxing in hospitals instead of actual detox centers. The difference between the two is radical.

The only forgiving part of severe kratom withdrawal is how short it is. The PAWS are just as long, but the most severe and acute effects are always gone by 72hr. Heroin withdrawals last longer more like 5-6 days.

Kratom wd lasts longer for me about 2 weeks of strong acute but thats at 100+gpd. I'd rather kick my iv dope habit.

 

[cnnka]

Kratom wd lasts longer for me about 2 weeks of strong acute but thats at 100+gpd. I'd rather kick my iv dope habit.

2 weeks for acute with Kratom for me also and kratom is also gross and not that great high if at all after building tolerance at least 7 is a tad better at the high department.

You guys go through withdrawal again and again ?
I use then stop go through withdrawal then try to use again only twice per week I can do that but the other 5 days are torture I’m waiting to get high and I’m miserable, then say fuck it and use everyday after a while I can’t take it no more and I stop and I go through withdrawal again. That’s my life the last two years lol.
What’s the solution? I mean not to use at all but we over here use and then stop and withdrawing and then use again…. Same loop over and over again again.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Figured I'd chime back in as im entering actual wds now, sr is doing nothing, lyrica nothing, n2o meh I cant even full on disassociate and im only like 10 hours no mgm brothers and sisters in christ I am fucked son


And things arent so kosher with me anx the old lady. She's too good for me, she ain't from this life so she doesnt understand and I dont want her too. I tried leaving her a couple months ago to prevent her from dealing with this shit but....well we're here and while she wont ever say I can tell this is affecting her and im a miserable worthless withdraaling pos

 

[Pickledlemons]

Kratom isn't what OP wants... unless the plan is to keep taking it and slowly taper down. When I tried that I only ended up tapering up. Its just kicking the can down the road.... and if you're gonna do that might as well get on bupe.

Gabapentin or Phenibut or Lyrica I think is the right answer.

Not related structurally, so will help relieve some pain while NOT just extending the inevitable.

 

[euphobia]

Dextromethorphan - I find a small dose, not more than 90mg can be a helpful add-on for getting to sleep. I find taking higher "recreational" dosages has often not made me feel good, so keep doses small if you use it.

Like Keif’ mentioned, DXM HBr, even in the normally recommended dose range (15-30mg), can ease some of the discomfort. However I have heard anecdotally that a single “robotrip” (macrodose) can eliminate withdrawal symptoms virtually in their entirety. With that route, users must ensure that DXM is the ONLY active ingredient in the product, as it is often found in combinations and the other drugs can be highly toxic or lethal at the levels required (check out reports or ‘CCC’/‘Coricidin Cough & Cold’ as an example of one type of product that must be avoided). And it goes without saying that even high dose DXM is not ‘safe’ on its own, even though it has a wider therapeutic window that many medications. It is also a substance that I would suggest to employ a ‘trip-sitter’ for. As with anything, do your own extensive research on anything before you decide to put it in your body.

Also, never attempt to combine DXM with masturbation

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Kratom isn't what OP wants... unless the plan is to keep taking it and slowly taper down. When I tried that I only ended up tapering up. Its just kicking the can down the road.... and if you're gonna do that might as well get on bupe.

Gabapentin or Phenibut or Lyrica I think is the right answer.

Not related structurally, so will help relieve some pain while NOT just extending the inevitable.

Ya plan to get off all the opiates. I've had so many go rounds one day of use of kratom will leave me physically dependant and feeling minor wd for 6 days so no Bueno. I cant tell if this sr ahit is any good or not though sometimes I think its working other times not so much and the lyrica ain't doing much tbh

 

[cnnka]

Ya plan to get off all the opiates. I've had so many go rounds one day of use of kratom will leave me physically dependant and feeling minor wd for 6 days so no Bueno. I cant tell if this sr ahit is any good or not though sometimes I think its working other times not so much and the lyrica ain't doing much tbh

I’m the same I took 7 on Monday and Tuesday and again yesterday Friday , today I woke up on the verge of withdrawals , bad thing is I have stopped but then it came an order of 10 pills I’ve forgotten I made and now I have 5 pills left but I can’t enjoy it cause everytime I’m about to dose I’m anxious and full of regrets. It’s miserable have them on hand and try to use them responsibly everyday I think about to dose or not to dose and it’s miserable. Only the first pill gave me a good high from the second dose it was “nothing” as it was.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I’m the same I took 7 on Monday and Tuesday and again yesterday Friday , today I woke up on the verge of withdrawals , bad thing is I have stopped but then it came an order of 10 pills I’ve forgotten I made and now I have 5 pills left but I can’t enjoy it cause everytime I’m about to dose I’m anxious and full of regrets. It’s miserable have them on hand and try to use them responsibly everyday I think about to dose or not to dose and it’s miserable. Only the first pill gave me a good high from the second dose it was “nothing” as it was.

Our schedules were the same basically lol

2 weeks for acute with Kratom for me also and kratom is also gross and not that great high if at all after building tolerance at least 7 is a tad better at the high department.

You guys go through withdrawal again and again ?
I use then stop go through withdrawal then try to use again only twice per week I can do that but the other 5 days are torture I’m waiting to get high and I’m miserable, then say fuck it and use everyday after a while I can’t take it no more and I stop and I go through withdrawal again. That’s my life the last two years lol.
What’s the solution? I mean not to use at all but we over here use and then stop and withdrawing and then use again…. Same loop over and over again again.

Hey man I'd advise you look into the kindling effect. Everytime you go through withdrawl it gets worse, like scientifically worse. That also means withdrawls will come on faster its especially noticeable with benzos and gaba drugs. Its awful, I cant even use most shit once bc even if I magically withstand to not ket it get crazy which I can do, just hit or miss ill still get withcrawls. Theyre much more mild but a mild withdrawl for me at this point is most people's absolute worse (not a brag, it sucks, been a junkie on opiates since I was a literal baby at 11 lol) my ahits fried, idk where youre at with your addiction but if you can nip it in the butt before you get to that point mfs say withdrawls are impossible the first time they go through em ohhhhhh budddddd just wait till its years of relapsing and using it gets exponentially worse. I love kratom tbh, its not a mind blowing opioid high and I fucking wish the effecrs didnt wear off so fast and with prolonged use it makes me anahdonic and perfectly content with doing absolutely nothing aside from scrolling on my phone laying in bed when im.not at work. I also get very antisocial and all together have difficulties having words form in my head and to be able to actually talk without sounding dumb af. Its great for what it is though

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I’m the same I took 7 on Monday and Tuesday and again yesterday Friday , today I woke up on the verge of withdrawals , bad thing is I have stopped but then it came an order of 10 pills I’ve forgotten I made and now I have 5 pills left but I can’t enjoy it cause everytime I’m about to dose I’m anxious and full of regrets. It’s miserable have them on hand and try to use them responsibly everyday I think about to dose or not to dose and it’s miserable. Only the first pill gave me a good high from the second dose it was “nothing” as it was.

If you want my honest opinion? Just use as much as you can until you get to the point of it truly making you sick spiritually to continue. Hit your rock bottom as fast as you can without dying. I'll get flagged for saying this but itd save you a lot of damage and heartache potentially not to mention time.

 

[Opana313]

Yup, I will never forget when I was 13 and very first ran out of opiates not knowing shit about wd and decided to pop 4 benadryl.... I legit debated cutting my own arms off lol

Shit i was only on page 2 then started quote and saw this one v

Phenibut with Lyrica would be too much I’ll say pick one or the other.
For propranolol 10mg is already a tiny dose the lower mg strength pill is 20mg.
Also mangolia is very good recommendation it makes your head and your body quiet like when you sleep but you don’t sleep I used to mix it with 7 to increase sedation and it worked very well but also took some euphoria away. Try to find mangolol extract that’s what really works.

Basically @Kurtin my opinion you may find gabapentin, Lyrica, or phenibut giving you fucked up restless legs like cramped up like sometimes too(for me on phenibut).

They work great don't get me wrong but keep an eye on how your legs feel..i always get more restlessness(not AS BAD with gabapentin, but I take half or a quarter of whatever 600 or 900mg tablets and that's only because I feel like "i need something for this withdrawal" not really because I want to take it at all...usually it's to calm myself from an adderal or something during wd.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Shit i was only on page 2 then started quote and saw this one v


Basically @Kurtin my opinion you may find gabapentin, Lyrica, or phenibut giving you fucked up restless legs like cramped up like sometimes too(for me on phenibut).

They work great don't get me wrong but keep an eye on how your legs feel..i always get more restlessness(not AS BAD with gabapentin, but I take half or a quarter of whatever 600 or 900mg tablets and that's only because I feel like "i need something for this withdrawal" not really because I want to take it at all...usually it's to calm myself from an adderal or something during wd.

Ya gabapentin works much better for withdrawl imo but all I have is lyrica which is underwhelming as fuck.

 

[Rectify]

DXM (Dextromethorphan)? It Helps Me.