This is from the Sassafras oil days and maybe more of an American thing but the chemists figured they could A/B leftover distilled Sassafras and the resulting alkaloids were nicknamed "sass". Most people assume that's just some colloquial slang for MDA. Sassafras has a fair few interesting alkaloids.
Sounds just like what's been called MehDMA in this thread; and what's this thread is about.
Well yes lol. I guess what I was getting at in a nutshell is should I just take more to get the desired roll?
Maybe good ecstacy to you is MA tainted ecstacy? Nothing wrong with that I know many who prefer that extra stimulation.
Seems unnecessarily high. You might have found actual mythical MehDMA.
I've always considered that as being a likely possiblity. I prefer MA over MDMA today.
Though I take your meaning, I just Googled that to see what comes up, and it wasn't recovery places. It was all science journals. Shrugs. Yeah idk. It is annoying though when any mention of drugs garners a mini-lecture and paperwork for addiction recovery. It's insulting, really, so I feel you on this.
Yeah it's smoother, less commitment, less impairing, doesn't screw up my short-term memory, and less obvious I'm on something… It's not for everyone though.
Or they found something cut to hell so much that it takes .35 g total to net the proper amount of MDMA hydrochloride. New hypothesis: MDMmeh is really mostly caffeine plus a little MDMA… So it tests correctly and provides a slight rolling feeling, but is otherwise anxious and unpleasant feeling like taking too much caffeine. And we already know that caffeine is often cut into MDMA due to its ability to potentiate MDMA's good (and bad) effects, so it makes sense… So say for every 100 mg of the composite powder, only 28 mg of it is MDMA while the other 72 mg is caffeine. If someone took 350 mg of that particular blend, they would be taking 98 mg of MDMA along with 252 mg of caffeine… sounds like an unpleasant, mostly sober time that pales in comparison to taking, say, ~180 mg of high quality MDMA hydrochloride, you know, obviously…
Just FYI: I mostly hear people reserve the term "sass" for MDA. It sorta doesn't make sense considering how MDMA and MDA can both be produced using sassafras oil as the starting point. Regardless, back in the day, the three sisters were: Molly (MDMA), Sassy (MDA), and Tina (MA). And TBH, the best roll in my opinion is ~90 mg 5-APB. Less hangover effect the next day bc it has exactly half the number of oxygen atoms, which are left behind as free radicals in the brain after MDMA is removed by monoamine oxidase.
Please don't stop replying to this thread. You write incredibly well, and I really enjoy reading your replies. You have a gift. You're doing God's work informing people that MDMA is still just as good as it has always been.
Odd, I did just put it in again and got slightly different results but still 3 out of 9 results on first page were treatment centers and almost all results were negative slanted. Top result was a medical journal comparing effects of LSD, MDMA, D-amp but only taken separately.
I appreciate that a lot. Thank you for noticing and for the kind words.
No one without access to reliable analytics and interpreting the results correctly.
You would think, right? But the reality is that there isn't just one global supplier. Illicit drugs move through particular routes, none of which have full global reach. Due to the criminal nature of drug smuggling and trafficking (brought on by unnecessary drug prohibition laws, I might add) certain places might from time to time get saddled with some imposter MDMA or some poorly synthesized attempt at MDMA… and I've seen fake pills and bullshit imposter-MDMA research chemicals sold as "MDMA"… but that was many years ago. It's all been like you said: "cheap and plentiful"… for a while now.
Hell no, there's no way I would do that. I'm sure I would survive it, but I would be too fucked up, short-term short-circuited for a while, and I'd pay for it over the course of the next couple days…
I think I prefer something like 155 - 175 mg with a ~40 - 50 mg booster 1.5 hrs in for full-on recreational use. If I'm using it for a chill setting, maybe a house party or for a more therapeutic session, I go 110 - 125 mg.
Yeah, of the four benzofuran drugs, which I've compared, 5-APB is the most euphoric. It lasts longer than MDMA, too and comes and goes in strong waves. Personally, I've found there's a steep incline in potency from 80 mg (a moderate roll) to 100 mg (rolling hardAF).
Pretty similar, but also kind of its own thing. When n-methylated, the refinement from primary amine to secondary amine is more evident, to me, if that makes any sense. 5-MAPB and 6-MAPB are okay, but not quite the same magic as MDMA, as they're expected to be. Still, great compounds worthy of exploration. They don't suck. And 6-APB is noticeably more like MDA in comparison from 6-MAPB to 6-APB versus MDMA to MDA… However, 5-APB kicks ass and really stands out and shines within this group, in my humble opinion. When I took ~110 mg, that shit really blew my mind, and I had an awesome time with some friends who were visiting from out of town.
I wonder what percent of MDMA, 5-MAPB and 6MAPB n-demethylates to MDA, 5-APB and 6-APB respectively. I read somewhere that it's a low percent, likely to be between 7% and 15%, tops. I wonder what drives that and if that conversion could be driven higher in vivo…
Yeah I made a batch of it once, ~92 grams or ~40 hits IIRC. Mostly I did this because this method I was using that converts the intermediary ketone, MDP-2-P, into the final product works such that, in the reaction / in situ, nitromethane produces methlyamine which then reacts to replace the double-bonded oxygen atom that forms the ketone in a reductive amination. It dawned on me that if nitromethane produces the n-methyl analog of MDA (aka: MDMA), then I could substitute the nitroethane that I already had on hand so it would produce MDE. And sure enough
I just was curious what MDE is like, and it's what I expected: a short-lived, highly refined, less potent roll. It was not gritty at all the way MDMA and especially MDA can be. Come up was ~30 min., typical of MDx drugs, but then the peak lasted ~1 - 1.5 hours before a rapid drop off. It can be re-dosed a bit but requires more to keep rolling, and it never grew to the same peak intensity that MDMA does.
You're not really missing out on much, just TBH. MDE is weak, overall, though not unpleasant. It doesn't have the magic of MDMA nor the razzle dazzle of MDA. It retains a bit of the empathogenic qualities but less intense, almost no eye saccade movement, and just as you're expecting it to kick into high gear, it just tapers off instead. I can then sorta make it come back a little by smoking weed, but it's not trying to hang around for long. Next day feels clear-headed though, I'll give it that. You could call it MD-Eh
Fair enough, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I'm just saying that many people refer to MDMA as "molly" (or "mandy" in the U.K.) and MDA as "sassy". I find what you're saying interesting lore, and I'm open to this idea if anyone has any more evidence to back this up or anecdotal experiential claims to share that deal directly either with this method of production, or even better: if someone has some real analytics (GC-MS, LC-MS, FTIR or NMR) and/or studies on this subject.
I wonder how active cinnamolaurine is on its own, if at all. So was the proposal that it was being converted into something psychoactive? If so, what? Or is it psychoactive on its own?
It may indeed be based on your previous Google searches and whatever data Google has picked up about you. They listen through devices, and store personal data and details about us constantly, you know… It's creepy.
Oh I totally believe you and wasn't saying you were employing hyperbole there at all. I'm suggesting that it was algorithmically based. Open up a private browser tab perhaps in a different web browser and try a Google search again, see if that changes the results. You could also compare those results against a Duck Duck Go search to see if, and how, that differs as well.
Of course, sorry in advance, I am way too lazy to add multi-quotes to my reply... Do not feel inclined to reply to everything ;-)I appreciate that a lot. Thank you for noticing and for the kind words.
No one without access to reliable analytics and interpreting the results correctly.
You would think, right? But the reality is that there isn't just one global supplier. Illicit drugs move through particular routes, none of which have full global reach. Due to the criminal nature of drug smuggling and trafficking (brought on by unnecessary drug prohibition laws, I might add) certain places might from time to time get saddled with some imposter MDMA or some poorly synthesized attempt at MDMA… and I've seen fake pills and bullshit imposter-MDMA research chemicals sold as "MDMA"… but that was many years ago. It's all been like you said: "cheap and plentiful"… for a while now.
Hell no, there's no way I would do that. I'm sure I would survive it, but I would be too fucked up, short-term short-circuited for a while, and I'd pay for it over the course of the next couple days…
I think I prefer something like 155 - 175 mg with a ~40 - 50 mg booster 1.5 hrs in for full-on recreational use. If I'm using it for a chill setting, maybe a house party or for a more therapeutic session, I go 110 - 125 mg.
Yeah, of the four benzofuran drugs, which I've compared, 5-APB is the most euphoric. It lasts longer than MDMA, too and comes and goes in strong waves. Personally, I've found there's a steep incline in potency from 80 mg (a moderate roll) to 100 mg (rolling hardAF).
Pretty similar, but also kind of its own thing. When n-methylated, the refinement from primary amine to secondary amine is more evident, to me, if that makes any sense. 5-MAPB and 6-MAPB are okay, but not quite the same magic as MDMA, as they're expected to be. Still, great compounds worthy of exploration. They don't suck. And 6-APB is noticeably more like MDA in comparison from 6-MAPB to 6-APB versus MDMA to MDA… However, 5-APB kicks ass and really stands out and shines within this group, in my humble opinion. When I took ~110 mg, that shit really blew my mind, and I had an awesome time with some friends who were visiting from out of town.
I wonder what percent of MDMA, 5-MAPB and 6MAPB n-demethylates to MDA, 5-APB and 6-APB respectively. I read somewhere that it's a low percent, likely to be between 7% and 15%, tops. I wonder what drives that and if that conversion could be driven higher in vivo…
Yeah I made a batch of it once, ~92 grams or ~40 hits IIRC. Mostly I did this because this method I was using that converts the intermediary ketone, MDP-2-P, into the final product works such that, in the reaction / in situ, nitromethane produces methlyamine which then reacts to replace the double-bonded oxygen atom that forms the ketone in a reductive amination. It dawned on me that if nitromethane produces the n-methyl analog of MDA (aka: MDMA), then I could substitute the nitroethane that I already had on hand so it would produce MDE. And sure enough
I just was curious what MDE is like, and it's what I expected: a short-lived, highly refined, less potent roll. It was not gritty at all the way MDMA and especially MDA can be. Come up was ~30 min., typical of MDx drugs, but then the peak lasted ~1 - 1.5 hours before a rapid drop off. It can be re-dosed a bit but requires more to keep rolling, and it never grew to the same peak intensity that MDMA does.
You're not really missing out on much, just TBH. MDE is weak, overall, though not unpleasant. It doesn't have the magic of MDMA nor the razzle dazzle of MDA. It retains a bit of the empathogenic qualities but less intense, almost no eye saccade movement, and just as you're expecting it to kick into high gear, it just tapers off instead. I can then sorta make it come back a little by smoking weed, but it's not trying to hang around for long. Next day feels clear-headed though, I'll give it that. You could call it MD-Eh
How are you liking that 2-MMC? I thought about trying it, but I haven't read any good reviews for it. People seem to say it's lackluster compared to 3-MMC and 4-MMC. Many ppl think of these drugs as being on a spectrum that sits between cocaine and MDMA with 4-MMC riding closer to MDMA and 3-MMC closer to cocaine. If that's true, my instincts tell me 2-MMC is even closer to that speedy cocaine side than to MDMA. Does that check-out?
