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Trump has told the UK to sort our own oil supply through the strait of Hormuz!

Oh yes that's what I meant, they will insure any ship, "no problem" except that the fee is so absurd that it's not worth the journey.

I guess it depends. I see quite obvious loopholes. Since ships registered in certain nations are allowed to pass after paying some sort of tax, toll or levy, those nations could and can refine the crude oil into products and export the products.

India has made an absolute FORTUNE out of buying Russian crude and then exporting petrol (gasoline), diesel, kerosine (e.g. jet fuels) and heavy oil used, ironically, to fuel ships.

I was fine with that because most experts suggeted that Russia was not in fact profiting from the sale. But it HAD to export to get hold of foreign currencies.

If I were free to buy the Principality of Sealand (itself an artifical structure in the North Sea), I would certainly be talking to corporations such as BP and Suncor Energy as those businesses have FPSO assets i.e. they can float a refinery to Sealand's national waters and obtain, refine and sell hydrocarbon products.
 
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They're just going to pipe it to the red sea. Nothing Iran can do about it. :unsure:

Everyone can't just get along, and here we are. This needs sorting out one way or another. Not being offensive. No pun intended.
 
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It's war man ... it's what we got..

Everyone has to fuel up to keep the war going I guess.
 
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They're just going to pipe it to the red sea. Nothing Iran can do about it. :unsure:

Houthi rebels?

I've already pointed out that Panamax allows almost all bulk carriers to pass through the Panama canal. The only caveat is that VLCCs and ULCCs have to pump the crude through the Trans-Panama pipeline. 101-105 million barrels are consumed each day, that pipeline can only pump 860,000 barrels per day. But there are still enough LCCs in operation for them to pass through the canal without using the pipeline. As of January 2026, 2.3 million barrels passed through the canal each day, but other carriers also use that canal so in theory, if the canal was used purely to ship crude, it could ship 19-20 million barrels per day (but maintainence and other issues reduce that maximum).

Worst case the Cape of Good Hope is already used by some ULCCs so 11% of the global crude transport already goes the long way around.

So Houthi rebels are the only issue and they have been surprisingly quiet. Typically, the Don will only act if and when the Houthis start using anti-shipping missiles while in fact, since the Houthis HAVE already hurled a few ballistic missiles at Israel, they are a legitimate target. But know that people are thinking these things through.

It's like thinking regime change is the answer. It seems we all suffered collective amnesia after millions of Iranians protested, tens of thousands were killed and all of the leaders were disappeared. Support THEN might have offered regime change.

Are we now getting the message that the current Israeli government and specifically The Mossad might not have been a reliable source for vital information? I'm not taking a pop at The Mossad. It IS true that Iran has developed IRBMs and so they would be in range. But there is a gulf between IRBMs and ICBMs. The entire Cuban Missile Crisis was because the Soviets only had a handful of liquid-fuelled ICBMs that had to be set up for launch i.e. it took hours from deciding to launch and actually launching. Something overflights would spot - accuracy was also terrible and with typical Russian humour, one Soviet general responded that the accuracy problem had been overcome by adding more plutonium.

It is VERY complex but I do think it true that victory for Iran is regime survival. Regional neighbours will see it as a victory. What US analysts don't seem to understand is that being martyred (as the supreme leader was on the very first day) is NOT seen as a loss. Martyrdom is almost certainly what he intended. To lead by example.

But I am still hopeful that de-escalation mediated by Pakistan (a nation with links to both sides) will yield results. I'm hopeful that Iran still has all of that 440.9Kg as if handing that over satisfies the US and it's ally, both sides can claim a victory, no more lives are lost and that an enhanced JCPOA can be put in place.

But never forget the first Middle Eastern nation to have nuclear weapons since 1967. So possibly they also need to be part of that JCPOA+ agreement.
 
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No guts, no glory. He's like, the bravest, most bestest, coolestio president that ever ruled the U.S. Of course he'll do it. Anything that will bring him more notoriety or money, he's all for it.

He'll destroy anything he wants to, if he can.

Well he has neither guts nor glory. He would have to remember his position and stay focused on it long enough to advise his sycophants what to do --- and even he must know they aren't very capable --- and they must know he isn't the most cognitive fellow in the world and they can slip alot past him!

I guess we shall still see -- I am hoping there's a man behind the man on the thrown keeping him in check. (There usually is) He definitely didn't do it last night; which is good!

Instead he caved competely to Iran's 10 point plan --- which correct me if I am wrong; puts us in much worse shape than we were before he decided to arbitrarily go to war. (Well Israel, but WHY NOW)

Here are the ten points PedOTUS, Presdement un-erect agreed to.
  • Withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from the region.
  • Lifting all primary and secondary sanctions and UN Security Council resolutions targeting Iran.
  • Recognition of Iran’s right to enrich uranium as part of its nuclear program.
  • Continued control of the Strait of Hormuz by Iranian armed forces.
  • Release of frozen Iranian assets abroad.
  • Compensation payments to Iran for war damage.
  • A binding UNSC resolution to formalize the deal.
  • Non-aggression guarantee from the U.S..
  • Ending all IAEA resolutions and investigations into Iran's nuclear program.
  • A comprehensive regional ceasefire

umm oh no that ship I sent to through that hormuz strait and insured for billions of dollars didn't make it! *sends cheapest possible stick built empty ship in that direction after some quick paperwork

Fckin Lloyds of london! You can squeeze them for a buck (good luck) PLEASE DO! (of course if anyone could it'd be BP, equally evil entity; okay if any HUMAN can squeeze em for a buck..)
 
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It's war man ... it's what we got..

Everyone has to fuel up to keep the war going I guess.

It cannot be war! There was no congressional approval .... This is a military "Excursion" -- The word pleasurable/leisure is in the definition of excursion btw .... seems kinda fckd up
 
BTW I forgot to mention that those Iranian protests took place less than a YEAR ago.

Where was the US then? Doing nothing, hoping that civilians could take on a regime that uses heavy macine guns on peaceful protesters! Any sane US leader would at least have used the CIA to channel Russian material into Iran. Russian for plausble deniabiity and because it's rugged and designed to be used with a minimal amount of training.

But now all of those leaders who COULD have formed a democractic nation are all dead, in prisons or simply disappeared.

Israel has it's own concerns which are not unfounded. But this latest move is the wrong action at the wrong time expecting the wrong outcomes. A JCPOA+ could have solved this. Iran simply wanted security guarantees and in exchange. I'm sure that refraning to support the Houthis and Hamas would have been possible. Iran's actions are simply the response of watching what the US did to Iraq!

But at least it keeps the IDF actions in Gaza off the front pages.
 
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Trump is the way he is cuz the government needs him to be. so was Obama so was George Bush so was this." Oh the left is objectively right about this n that. Oh the liberals are Trump hat Maga hat guy right?"

Its a game


You control a population by giving them limit Information with limited access.


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jeffrey epstein is true and these guys are even saying ion like the government as a half. Every chance I get i rip either side. Left wing right wing same bird. Equal hatred for both because they are 1. The Government. Ppl say im crazy I say they do what they do. Look at Ancient civilizations. Look at rome. Look at other countries like China and Russia these countries put out propaganda. Is there 1 table they talk. Idk prolly. Theres alot they lie about.
 
Bullshite friend^ --- Trump has been the way Trump is long before gov --- and gov actually NEEDS HIM to be the opposite of who he is. (But we fucked up there didnt we?)

"If jeffrey epstein is true?" He was a real man that ran a real sex trafficking ring with the sitting US president. You can argue the third point of his existence but it is fairly futile.

Look at rome --- Yes look at Rome for what NOT TO DO!!
 
Bullshite friend^ --- Trump has been the way Trump is long before gov --- and gov actually NEEDS HIM to be the opposite of who he is. (But we fucked up there didnt we?)

"If jeffrey epstein is true?" He was a real man that ran a real sex trafficking ring with the sitting US president. You can argue the third point of his existence but it is fairly futile.

Look at rome --- Yes look at Rome for what NOT TO DO!!
Thats false , ur slow. u think The government who has overthrown regimes messed up putting trump in there? These ppl plan out in the future. They aren't dumb. America is a global superpower that false advertises the illusions of choice. Economics 101 shows you that. The world isnt what it seems bro

I dont like trump I hate him and think hes a evil moron . Im black and hispanic btw
Its deeper than a sex trafficking ring. These people were worshipping deities on that island. The DOJ released a high powered individual referencing torture videos. Why everytime sum1 died mysteriously epstein said WHOOPS. I can go on and on

Are some of these files even real?

I personally dont even believe he was shot frl it looked fake. The getting up raising his fist immediately. Seem like they did that to boost his chances of not "winning" cuz I believe they already pick them i mean look at Al gore and The presidents in other countries.

Ppl dont objectively test things like science.
 
Worshipping deities? Which ones? Don't say Satan, because Satan is a Christian invention. Nobody outside Christianity and Islam believes in Satan, save for a tiny number of misguided kooks.

And why is that any more disturbing than most of America worshipping a genocidal deity that encouraged widespread rape and slavery?

Over a billion Hindus worship non-Christian gods. Are they evil too?
 
Worshipping deities? Which ones?

And why is that any more disturbing than most of America worshipping a genocidal deity that encouraged widespread rape and slavery?
Firstly im high and thought you had a MF DOOM profile picture in my Hazy morning vision. That would've been tuff 🔥

Secondly its not just america. I know the world thinks america is the big bad wolf (which they aren't far off) but some of these countries know wassup. Its like Being in the backseat of a drive by.


Yes they were reports of Epstein worshiping demonic entities on his boat.
It seems.....religion struck a nerve for u ?


Prince Henry had a dozen small children with him as a young man to standing over 1 as a oldman. We are talk about tech COMPANY ceos of other country's.
And if u are saying God is not merciful just a Crusader thats wrong imo but irrelevant in this topic. Hes spared A whole corrupt city just because a couple ppl were good. hes also wiped shi out. I think humans forget he is JUSTICE. Theres no where in the Bible ive seen god lead a genocide especially rape 😂😂😂thats just not biblically accurate. If anything you can say Satan and his fallen angels did that impregrenating Women in the book of Enoch when they came down.
 
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Have you actually studied the Old Testament? I have, and at length.

Start with Deuteronomy, 1 Samuel, Numbers and Joshua. Plenty of violence there.

What you call 'God' was one of many deities in the region. He was an angry storm God. So your religion is actually based on polytheism. Moreover, many continued to worship other gods in secret.

Just like your Jesus was based on other gods.
 
Thats false , ur slow. u think The government who has overthrown regimes messed up putting trump in there? These ppl plan out in the future. They aren't dumb. America is a global superpower that false advertises the illusions of choice. Economics 101 shows you that. The world isnt what it seems bro

How is it false? Dude has been the same POS for 40 yrs. Yes they did mess up putting Trump there! You sound like a conspiracy nut. How does economics 101 show me, what again, it was rather unclear.
I dont like trump I hate him and think hes a evil moron . Im black and hispanic btw
Its deeper than a sex trafficking ring. These people were worshipping deities on that island. The DOJ released a high powered individual referencing torture videos. Why everytime sum1 died mysteriously epstein said WHOOPS. I can go on and on

I agree devil worship was involved with the kidfucking that Trump definitely took part in. I am White, Irish by way of corktown USA. (W/e that is worth)

How about we talk about Epstein's death which was clearly not a suicide and orchestrated (Most likely) by the Trump administration.

Are some of these files even real?

Yes OBJECTIVELY, ur slow bro (Two way streets)
I personally dont even believe he was shot frl it looked fake. The getting up raising his fist immediately. Seem like they did that to boost his chances of not "winning" cuz I believe they already pick them i mean look at Al gore and The presidents in other countries.

No? You do sound like a bit of a conspiracy prone fella. I dont know what I believe regarding that day --- other than that guy had to be one horrible shot if the story is as told
Ppl dont objectively test things like science.

Yes they do; it is called science when they do that!

I have no idea what religion has to do with any of this my guy.
 
There's pretty much no such thing as devil worship. Show me conclusive proof.

The Satanic Panic was bullshit and so is the apparent worship of 'Baal' on the island.

Most Epstein associates were Christian.
 
Have you actually studied the Old Testament? I have, and at length.

Start with Deuteronomy, 1 Samuel, Numbers and Joshua. Plenty of violence there.

What you call 'God' was one of many deities in the region. He was an angry storm God. So your religion is actually based on polytheism. Moreover, many continued to worship other gods in secret.

Just like your Jesus was based on other gods.
“Jesus was based on other gods” just a claim unless you can show direct dependence, not just surface similarity. Similarities between religions are not proof of copying. That is a weak leap, not a fact.

Yes, the Old Testament contains violence. That proves the text contains violence. It does not prove Elah or Allah or The most high or the father or Whatever we call him was “just an angry storm god,” and it does not prove Israel’s religion was polytheistic. Mainstream scholarship on early Israel says it was often monolatrous — other gods were acknowledged, but only Yahweh was to be worshipped. That is not the same thing as polytheism. The violence contains judgment narratives,


If you use that logic, then the same criticism can be thrown at Hinduism too:
In Hindu texts and some Hindu ritual traditions, the violent elements critics usually point to are things like large wars, battles, demon-slaying, and animal sacrifice. Britannica describes the Mahabharata as culminating in “great battles” in which the Kauravas are annihilated, and the Ramayana centers on Ravana’s abduction of Sita and his defeat in a major war.
There are also fierce deities and goddess forms associated with destruction. Kali is linked with death, doomsday, disorder, sexuality, and violence. the existence of violent stories, war gods, or destruction in the texts does not prove the whole religion is reducible to “an angry god” or that every Hindu worships evil. That would be the same kind of overreach you’re making about Christianity.
 
^ Really you want citations of devil worship cults? I would rather not google in that direction so I will say I have no conclusive proof --- pretty sure it is out there but you have effectively touche'd me.

(Idiots believe in god, lots of them *me included* so logically I would think that people believe in the devil -- I am pretty sure there will be some people who just want to diametrically oppose god without going full atheist)

What I do concede is that "Satanism" as defined by levae(Sp) is not the worship of the devil as much as not going with the church. I won't pretend to have a firm grasp on his whole shtick ...

..religion struck a nerve for u ?

Nope just kind of not relevant to the subject.
Prince Henry had a dozen small children with him as a young man to standing over 1 as a oldman. We are talk about tech COMPANY ceos of other country's.
And if u are saying God is not merciful just a Crusader thats wrong imo but irrelevant in this topic. Hes spared A whole corrupt city just because a couple ppl were good. hes also wiped shi out. I think humans forget he is JUSTICE. Theres no where in the Bible ive seen god lead a genocide especially rape 😂😂😂thats just not biblically accurate. If anything you can say Satan and his fallen angels did that impregrenating Women in the book of Enoch when they came down.

There is absolutely rape in the bible -- they also give SLAVERY A BIG THUMBS UP - That has to rub ya wrong (sure as shit does me!). Dont give me that "Bible slavery was only for 7 yrs" or w/e PR spin the vatican through on it most recently.

The Book of Enoch; Have you read it? It was TOO SEXIST FOR THE BIBLE. Speaks volumes.
 
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