Been gifted a authentic and wedinos tested Quualude from 1970s. What dose?

[Perkins : Reborn]

Nah. Still sounds crap.

 

[placebonaut]

Nah. Still sounds crap.

thanks for your insightful and useful contribution to the discussion

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

You're welcome.

 

[LoginNotSecure]

To keep it short, I have in my possession 2 x 300mg Lemmon Quualudes. All wedinos tested and legit.

What should the starting dose be? I've heard 300mg is the usual, but erowid also says 300mg and up can be fatal for first time users.

Any advice?

Cheers

SR

Post a picture of it then otherwise I call absolute bollocks! “Ah I didn’t take one!” That old chestnut, given the heritage and “lore” about them, in part thanks to wolf of wall street, it’s very much something you’d capture with a photo.

Till the photo proof, you’re on the wall of shit talking shit cunts.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Post a picture of it then otherwise I call absolute bollocks! “Ah I didn’t take one!” That old chestnut, given the heritage and “lore” about them, in part thanks to wolf of wall street, it’s very much something you’d capture with a photo.

Till the photo proof, you’re on the wall of shit talking shit cunts.

I think the disappointment happened shortly after OP posted this.

There was never a Wedinos test. If there was, it wasn't methaqualone.

 

[LoginNotSecure]

I think the disappointment happened shortly after OP posted this.

There was never a Wedinos test. If there was, it wasn't methaqualone.

Reminds me of the shit talking shit cunt who fibbed that he was a British army sniper. He doesn’t post here anymore after he was outed.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Reminds me of the shit talking shit cunt who fibbed that he was a British army sniper. He doesn’t post here anymore after he was outed.

Sniper by day, paramedic by night.

I remember him buying some dud 'senior paramedic' epaulettes from eBay. Not even British issue.

Loads of people fell for it. He was the male Evey.

 

[Bleaney]

I had a few doses of GBL over the weekend. It wasn't as good without any 2-Methoxyqualone. At least I presume that's what made it feel less good than it did on the previous weekend.

I fully recognise that if myself, and others, are finding that these pills need alcohol, or even better - GBL - imo - in order to get anything out of them, then something is definitely not right.

I still believe I received very underdosed tablets, but that there may be potential for these to be good, judging by what others are saying.

I should have a few more days off work coming up soon, and that should give me time to look into other vendors, and what people are saying about their 2-Methoxyqualone, and maybe try one more small order.

Not given up just yet.

 

[placebonaut]

Post a picture of it then otherwise I call absolute bollocks! “Ah I didn’t take one!” That old chestnut, given the heritage and “lore” about them, in part thanks to wolf of wall street, it’s very much something you’d capture with a photo.

Till the photo proof, you’re on the wall of shit talking shit cunts.

Not sure I'd even believe a photo, the current methoxyqualone doing the rounds is pressed like a Lemmon 714 (seems all the same on Wendios), I got bored trying to find a real photo of an original to compare it too, can only go off FDA and similar info that states they don't have a score line and have a chamfered edge. The methoxyqualone Lemmon's don't have the little chamfered edge and have a score line on the reverse. Might be multiple presses though...

Unless it's a Rorer....but I got bored enough going down the lemmon rabbit hole to care enough anymore

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

I guess the jury's still out on methoxyqualone, but it's worth a reminder that it isn't Methaqualone as the OP claims. Sorry to bang on, but this drug seems to be a bit of a waste of time, although if you must give it a go, then do some.

But remember we've gone from treating it as dangerous to suggesting it's mixed with alcohol for potentiation.

Like I said, if methoxyqualone was much cop we'd have multiple Erowid entries. I believe there are two.

​

 

[4DQSAR]

Below is something of a Scotratic dialogue. For your convenience I will take the role of,well, Socrates. My good friend, goat-pauper and hedge-wrangler,@fastandbulbous takes Secundus of Nitrobenzodiazepine, @Skorpio to reprise his role as Empedocles of Agrigentum (why alter what works?), @Smyth2 as Dick Dasterdly look-alike Aristobulus of Cassandreia and for one night only, @Mushoku_Sensei will be channelling Wittgenstein (Die Grenzen meiner Sprache sind die Grenzen meiner Welt).

LIGHTS, CAMERA, INACTION

I'm gutted no post-grad applied for 'the study of isomers, bioisosteres and compounds related to glutethimide (Doriden). A downer that is also a potent (CYP2D6) inhibitor. Put simply, (2 x 200mg) Doriden (raecemic glutethimide) +120mg codeine ===> ≈120mg morphine.

Now I've read all I can find but at no point does anyone resolve the two enantiomers. Has someone else checked this, I could be wrong?

Why does this matter?

We don't even know which of the two enantiomer are hypnotics nor if a hypnotic enantiomer is the enzyme inhibitor. We known one enantiomer undergoes pretty rapid metabolism' BUT later research showed it was a less toxic eantiomer (METABOLITE) that was responsible for hypnotic activity in MAN. Until the 1990s, we had ASSUMED it to be true!

Well, if the CYP2D6 inhibition is solely caused by an enantiomer that ISN'T psychoactive if consumed alone, even UK law crumbles.

Assuming the BEST outcome, two 100mg tablets of Laevoriden (laevodoriden) and 200mg codeine (or lesser quantities of dihydrocodeine, or hydrocodone, or oxycodone) and regardless of tolerance, you decide to lie down...) I only have two reports but one was a DOCTOR who had been in Rehab with Carrie Fisher! First comment was that it was not like codeine/morphine or any of the others I named or he named. It ONLY works for codeine homologues. You feel hungry and if you enjoy alcohol, get a couple of beers as you prep the sandwich.

You will sit, flick TV channel and as thirty seconds pass, it's eight hours later. He told me he ONLY ever used on 'the weekend' but maybe it was just him but weekends began 3.30PM Friday and ended when his driver used a wheelchair to get the guy to his desk 8.59AM Monday MORNING.

We couldn't understand how he was still alive but apparently yes he fell asleep a lot but was just tired. Appearing to be drinking a b i t too much worked but he is 'the doctor' so if he didn't know, he probably just told himself a lie...

NB This is Ancient Greek Theatre so you are all past of the χορός. Don't forget, it's all pure invention so don't be angry if someone else snatches the last double-ended tibia. First magic, magic, then magic a triple-ended tibia and an extra mouth to blow with. Fashion tip - our fashion editor notes that as of now, the recently outdated double-ended tibia is now an internal wind instrument.

For decades we have been praying for Muhammad to visit the mountain* for manifold reasons. One being that founding THREE world faiths, it's easy to imagine the wrong surmon being read to the wrong mystic rune and 'we damned well WILL hold a vigil for another 1400 years. Meanwhile Greek doctors cash into the latest 'whole earth food diet' Earth, Air, water AND fire.

Or, 'in English', if a safe,legal and cheap pill that you can sell in 10,000 lots at 25p per.

*Essays of Francis Bacon (1625)

As everyone can see. This is hardly a practical exercise. It IS interesting, but gives some ideas of problems, risks, benefits, expansion BUT the moment it's found all enantiomers have at least some activity alone and suddenly is the UK. It's a perctectly valid and worthwhile project for PURE knowledge. But you have to accept that the odds are against you. Hence broken biscuits here.

Oh, While I remember, A later paper suggested that the -OCH3 we wish to be an -OH does so via the NH i.e. O-demethylation,N-methylation, transesterification. I strongly suspect that reduction of C=O may be involved but catalysis prevents isolation.

@Smyth2 I don't know if youpreviously red the refs. It seems every decade or so, someone does a bit more. I would just appreciate people believing because I READ, not because I say So! But just look at all of the major classes. Amide and/or Imine. I have been staring at them and it justs FEELS something is mussing.

 

[placebonaut]

I guess the jury's still out on methoxyqualone, but it's worth a reminder that it isn't Methaqualone as the OP claims. Sorry to bang on, but this drug seems to be a bit of a waste of time, although if you must give it a go, then do some.

But remember we've gone from treating it as dangerous to suggesting it's mixed with alcohol for potentiation.

Like I said, if methoxyqualone was much cop we'd have multiple Erowid entries. I believe there are two.

I'm not picking a fight, just trying to give some objective specifics. IMHO it should still be considered dangerous because no-one knows anything about it:- effects, long term use, or toxicology etc.

There's little info in truth about the chemistry involved other than a couple of DN forum posts and AI slop making guesses that suggest it shouldn't at least be carcinogenic.

As for Erowid entries, not sure that's relevant yet, I've only been back around for the last 24 months but this is the 1st time I've seen methoxyqualone for sale, and then it's only been in the UK for less than what a month or so? I've not noticed it available in any other countries, so just a few reports from those of us stupid enough to give it a try on a few forums.

@4DQSAR sorry buddy but your references and story is going right over my head, to a layman it appears to be both a warning, and also contains some actual chemistry that might help explain things. someone's going to have to dumb it down for me!

 

[TheLightBringer]

Below is something of a Scotratic dialogue. For your convenience I will take the role of,well, Socrates. My good friend, goat-pauper and hedge-wrangler,@fastandbulbous takes Secundus of Nitrobenzodiazepine, @Skorpio to reprise his role as Empedocles of Agrigentum (why alter what works?), @Smyth2 as Dick Dasterdly look-alike Aristobulus of Cassandreia and for one night only, @Mushoku_Sensei will be channelling Wittgenstein (Die Grenzen meiner Sprache sind die Grenzen meiner Welt).

LIGHTS, CAMERA, INACTION

I'm gutted no post-grad applied for 'the study of isomers, bioisosteres and compounds related to glutethimide (Doriden). A downer that is also a potent (CYP2D6) inhibitor. Put simply, (2 x 200mg) Doriden (raecemic glutethimide) +120mg codeine ===> ≈120mg morphine.

Now I've read all I can find but at no point does anyone resolve the two enantiomers. Has someone else checked this, I could be wrong?

Why does this matter?

We don't even know which of the two enantiomer are hypnotics nor if a hypnotic enantiomer is the enzyme inhibitor. We known one enantiomer undergoes pretty rapid metabolism' BUT later research showed it was a less toxic eantiomer (METABOLITE) that was responsible for hypnotic activity in MAN. Until the 1990s, we had ASSUMED it to be true!

Well, if the CYP2D6 inhibition is solely caused by an enantiomer that ISN'T psychoactive if consumed alone, even UK law crumbles.

Assuming the BEST outcome, two 100mg tablets of Laevoriden (laevodoriden) and 200mg codeine (or lesser quantities of dihydrocodeine, or hydrocodone, or oxycodone) and regardless of tolerance, you decide to lie down...) I only have two reports but one was a DOCTOR who had been in Rehab with Carrie Fisher! First comment was that it was not like codeine/morphine or any of the others I named or he named. It ONLY works for codeine homologues. You feel hungry and if you enjoy alcohol, get a couple of beers as you prep the sandwich.

You will sit, flick TV channel and as thirty seconds pass, it's eight hours later. He told me he ONLY ever used on 'the weekend' but maybe it was just him but weekends began 3.30PM Friday and ended when his driver used a wheelchair to get the guy to his desk 8.59AM Monday MORNING.

We couldn't understand how he was still alive but apparently yes he fell asleep a lot but was just tired. Appearing to be drinking a b i t too much worked but he is 'the doctor' so if he didn't know, he probably just told himself a lie...

NB This is Ancient Greek Theatre so you are all past of the χορός. Don't forget, it's all pure invention so don't be angry if someone else snatches the last double-ended tibia. First magic, magic, then magic a triple-ended tibia and an extra mouth to blow with. Fashion tip - our fashion editor notes that as of now, the recently outdated double-ended tibia is now an internal wind instrument.

For decades we have been praying for Muhammad to visit the mountain* for manifold reasons. One being that founding THREE world faiths, it's easy to imagine the wrong surmon being read to the wrong mystic rune and 'we damned well WILL hold a vigil for another 1400 years. Meanwhile Greek doctors cash into the latest 'whole earth food diet' Earth, Air, water AND fire.

Or, 'in English', if a safe,legal and cheap pill that you can sell in 10,000 lots at 25p per.

*Essays of Francis Bacon (1625)

As everyone can see. This is hardly a practical exercise. It IS interesting, but gives some ideas of problems, risks, benefits, expansion BUT the moment it's found all enantiomers have at least some activity alone and suddenly is the UK. It's a perctectly valid and worthwhile project for PURE knowledge. But you have to accept that the odds are against you. Hence broken biscuits here.

Oh, While I remember, A later paper suggested that the -OCH3 we wish to be an -OH does so via the NH i.e. O-demethylation,N-methylation, transesterification. I strongly suspect that reduction of C=O may be involved but catalysis prevents isolation.

@Smyth2 I don't know if youpreviously red the refs. It seems every decade or so, someone does a bit more. I would just appreciate people believing because I READ, not because I say So! But just look at all of the major classes. Amide and/or Imine. I have been staring at them and it justs FEELS something is mussing.

Again bro with the off-topic monologue, but ill bite


Even if someone started producing separate enantiomers of Glutethimide and only one inhibited CYP2D6, I doubt that UK law would let it slide for long despite gray area loopholes. They likely would not care about its chirality and justify it as it still being the same molecule and just ban the enantiomer once they found out it was being used for abuse.


And why do you have to wrap it in Greek theatre metaphor and religious allegory, I feel like in the end no one understands the point youre trying to convey. It ends up taking space and distracting from the topic. Also what does it have to do with the discussion on methaqualone?

 

[Bleaney]

So wedinos said it was a genuine lude but all the vendors are selling some analogue?

No...... People are submitting their "purchase intent" as 'Quaalude', but every single time, the results on Wedinos have been coming back as 2-Methoxyqualone.

It would certainly appear safe to assume that this is the case for everything currently being sold as Quaaludes. It's only since December 2025 that these tests started appearing, so it must be relatively brand new to the market.

But 2-Methoxyqualone is more closely related to Etaqualone (which itself was an RC analogue of Quaaludes) than it is to the OG Quaaludes..(Methaqualone.)

People think they are getting Qaaludes but they are getting an analogue, and in the form of unreliably dosed pills too! At least from the first vendor I tried.

 

[TheLightBringer]

No...... People are submitting their "purchase intent" as 'Quaalude', but every single time, the results on Wedinos have been coming back as 2-Methoxyqualone.

It would certainly appear safe to assume that this is the case for everything currently being sold as Quaaludes. It's only since December 2025 that these tests started appearing, so it must be relatively brand new to the market.

But 2-Methoxyqualone is more closely related to Etaqualone (which itself was an RC analogue of Quaaludes) than it is to the OG Quaaludes..

People think they are getting Qaaludes but they are getting an analogue, and in the form of unreliably dosed pills too! At least from the first vendor I tried.

Whats curious about Etaqualone is wikipedia claims its ”still used in China as of 2022”, but any attempts to find traces of this lead me nowhere. Would be interesting to find any clues on what its called and prescribed for in China (if used at all).

 

[TheLightBringer]

The sources on wikipedia just lead to a study on blood and hair samples on abusers of Etaqualone, study conducted in Tokyo nonetheless…

 

[placebonaut]

Whats curious about Etaqualone is wikipedia claims its ”still used in China as of 2022”, but any attempts to find traces of this lead me nowhere. Would be interesting to find any clues on what its called and prescribed for in China (if used at all).

#IknowI'mlazy - in this or another related thread I made comment to 2-Methoxyqualone use in mongolia, I can't remember the source of the info but there was clear reference to production in china (no shock there given it's the center of the universe).

personally I take wiki with a pinch of salt, source and verified references can be hit and miss.

Chinese production isn't the same as Chinese consumption whether prescribed or illicit.

no clue if this applies equally to Etaqualone and/or 2-Methoxyqualone - I've spent far too much time digging into all this bollocks as it is and come up with the square root of fuck all that's actually useful.

 

[TheLightBringer]

#IknowI'mlazy - in this or another related thread I made comment to 2-Methoxyqualone use in mongolia, I can't remember the source of the info but there was clear reference to production in china (no shock there given it's the center of the universe).

personally I take wiki with a pinch of salt, source and verified references can be hit and miss.

Chinese production isn't the same as Chinese consumption whether prescribed or illicit.

no clue if this applies equally to Etaqualone and/or 2-Methoxyqualone - I've spent far too much time digging into all this bollocks as it is and come up with the square root of fuck all that's actually useful.

True true, but I must clarify what threw me off was the claim that it is used ”Clinically” in China. Making it sound like they use pharma grade Etaqualone either as a prescription medication or in hospitals, not illicitly. Yet I was not able to find any evidence of this either on google or asking AI

Etaqualone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kind of saddening honestly as more ”good” pharma grade Quaaludes would be a treat

 

[TheLightBringer]

Although acquiring the precursors for MQ is surprisingly easy. Even common folk will be able to source them online in EU at least.


As for the equipment and proper knowledge? I doubt the average drug user would bother or know what to do with it.

 

[placebonaut]

Although acquiring the precursors for MQ is surprisingly easy. Even common folk will be able to source them online in EU at least.


As for the equipment and proper knowledge? I doubt the average drug user would bother or know what to do with it.

I'm honestly a bit confused as to why Methaqualone (Quaalude) isn't just available widely.

I know the history and that banning the precursors is pretty much the only real success story in the war on drugs, but look at south africa and how china is trading precursors for abalone ffs , and look at the parallels with fentanol and the shift to precursor supply to mexico instead of fentanol

why do western countries find making true Methaqualone so difficult when shanty towns in SA are making mandrax in oil drums?!

Add to that the myth and sex appeal from the wolf of wall street and I would have thought the demand was there, baffles me why we're even discussing analogues

True true, but I must clarify what threw me off was the claim that it is used ”Clinically” in China. Making it sound like they use pharma grade Etaqualone either as a prescription medication or in hospitals, not illicitly. Yet I was not able to find any evidence of this either on google or asking AI

Etaqualone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kind of saddening honestly as more ”good” pharma grade Quaaludes would be a treat

yes I know what you mean, sadly I've followed most of these references on wiki for many of the analogues to the point where I've searched for the papers, read what's available, checked libgen, and even in 1 case reached out direct to the authors (I've been ignored so far when simply asking for a copy of the paper, something which usually the author is happy to do).

info is in really short supply