Been gifted a authentic and wedinos tested Quualude from 1970s. What dose?

[Bleaney]

For me I still think the bang for $ is the biggest issue though, however I feel a bit more comfy with my plan to take 660mg in 1 go, but the cost is just stupid for the effect (even though I like the effect a lot with a glass of wine).

Seems like the wine might be key here as I think that will be improving the absorbption rate and bioavailability....

I've come to the same conclusion. It's barely noticeable taken on its own, even with 2 tablets, but when combined with GBL, the sum of 2 parts was far greater than either substance taken alone. (I may have mangled that expression, but I'm sure any readers will know what I'm trying to say.)

I may have underestimated how much the 2 methoxy added to the subjective experience, as further GBL experiences without the 2 methoxy have since felt lacking.

But the GBL was definitely doing most of the work in terms of providing the bulk of the effects, and the combo did feel very good. If money was no object I would get dozens of these 2 methoxy pills and bosh them like smarties, but they are far too over priced considering the low strength of their effects.

Poor bang for buck ratio is indeed the major issue, I totally agree, and absolutely second that opinion.

I've revised my estimates of how much effect each combo ingredient had in my highly enjoyable mini session the other week though. I'd now put it at GBL 60%, Weed and 2 methoxy 35 %. The main effect of the weed was an additional enhancement of my enjoyment of music and the things that I noticed while listening, and it's impossible to separate out the 2 any further. And the methoxy just added extra pleasure over all. Kratom 5%.

 

[4DQSAR]

thanks for taking to the time to explain, this gave me a lot more info and helped me understand things a lot better - It seems I'm developing an interest in organic chemistry and pharmacology now!

I'm SO glad. My goal has always been that anyone here on BL who WANTS to learn will be supported.

I don't want people to believe something because I say it. I want people to check and ideally become more knowledgable than I.

Glutethimide is a great example of things we don't know and most likely will never know. It's too old for anyone to invest since a patent may not be possible.

Sure, IF one isomer is just an enzyme modulator - that's been something we have sought for 50+ years. BUT it's not certain and even a patent wouldn't ensure the product would be profitable. Everywhere I read people WANT CYP2D6 inducer but nobody has a use that would make it worth the effort.

I just noted that IF the isomer that induces the enzyme isn't itself psychoative... what laws would it break? After all, alone it isn't psychoactive...

 

[placebonaut]

I love to learn, and I love to experiment with combos, soooooooooooo much fun to be had!

right now as I'm writing I'm high on 660mg of 2‑Methoxyqualone + the equivalent of a bottle of wine but this was strong beer along with a double shot of hard liqueur over 3 hours, it was 5.5 hour since I ate when I took the pills.

I don't consider myself to have any benzo or pregab tolerance, even so I've had a tolerance break from all GABAs & pregab for 1.5 weeks, before that my last dose was 300mg pregab + 20mg diazepam + cannabis, same thing a week before that (during the last session I also mixed in some coke and mcat). In the last 1.5 weeks I had 2-3 sessions of 1g of soma, 2 rounds of micro dosing of ket, a micro dose of cocaine (~100mg), and a low dose session of MCAT (<200mg) . THC throughout the week. I've been off alcohol for 2 weeks as well. So I've had a decent mix of drugs, but nothing that should really be having a major impact on today's 2‑Methoxyqualone session.

Today 660mg of 2‑Methoxyqualone taken orally (chewed and chased with a strong beer) was a bit disappointing in terms of intensity early on vs other sessions (oral or Subligimal) , however it's been a much slower burn of a high than before, it's still going strong after 5 hours and if anything it's gotten stronger and stronger the more I've drunk alcohol and the more times passed, socializing with people from work at T+3-4 hours was perfect, I was having a blast and very comfy + chatty in a social professional environment. I feel the highest I've been now at T+5 hours and even feel in the past 20 mins the intensity is increasing, I suspect things could be improved more because:-
1. The alcohol wasn't strong enough to increase the bioavailability compared to my previous sessions
2. Cannabis plays a bigger part than I thought - every previous session I had a decent "strong" dose of THC

I've 2x330mg pills left, I guessed alcohol was key, still suspect that the old idea of ludes + wine is right, but I also now suspect that THC really helps as well.

I've ordered some GBL, not sure if I will try the last 2 pills with wine and THC, or swap to GBL and weed (best if I go back to wine + THC to try to keep things consistent). I would like to try this with pregab + THC + Alcohol, but don't want to buy any more at this price!

whatever I decide to do with the last pills this will be my last experiment with 2‑Methoxyqualone, I can see the potential, I looooove the high, but there's just too much fucking around with combos to get the best out of it, and the price v benefit is frankly fucking shit.

Give me some proper ludes ffs.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I am going to give you a heads up now

Mixing barbs and alcohol -- worse GBL is a damn good way to accidentally die.

Please be careful

 

[placebonaut]

I am going to give you a heads up now

Mixing barbs and alcohol -- worse GBL is a damn good way to accidentally die.

Please be careful

yep agree, I even called it out myself in a previous post.

I've been "careful" and have titrated doses up to get to where I am - YMMV, everyone is different, don't take risks

i've found during this experimentation and lots of research that 2‑Methoxyqualone is weaker than quaaludes, however the risk is still there

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

cool cool -- not trying to be a downer *rimshot* --- I have woken up on my floor alone and gasping for air after a miscalculation. Thought I was well within my safezone but that GBL really tosses knuckleballs sometimes!

 

[Bleaney]

I am going to give you a heads up now

Mixing barbs and alcohol -- worse GBL is a damn good way to accidentally die.

Please be careful

Yeah, but the thing is these 2-methoxy pills are very weak, and not really proper barbs. They are an analogue of an analogue, and seem to have lost something in the process.

We've both discovered separately that either alcohol or GBL seems to potentiate the pills and help them become active or noticeable in their effects.

I guess though that if ever a pill is actually over-dosed or even properly dosed, then either myself or @placebonaut could have 'come a cropper'

But seeing as we'd both experienced nothing but weak pills, it seemed safe to assume they were all going to be the same.

We should probably tread more carefully if or when we place new orders, as the strength might be different.

@placebonaut seems to be consuming huge amounts of alcohol. I'm consuming moderate to low amounts of GBL, although I think it's strong GBL.

I'm going 1ml at a time, and waiting an hour before re-dosing.

So hopefully that makes sense that we're not being as reckless as it may initially appear.

 

[placebonaut]

@placebonaut seems to be consuming huge amounts of alcohol.

This is a good call out for those reading, I've had an alcohol problem for decades, this amount of alcohol for me is actually pretty low in truth, for others with no tolerance though it very well might be too much. I've been gradually reducing my alcohol intake for a while and even had a 2 month break, started drinking again but at a much lower rate, and now I'm in the process of giving up again.

In fact the drink last night was most likely my last for a while, only bothered because the 2‑Methoxyqualone needed it!

I'd maintain that a single large glass of wine would be enough, even for me.

I'm consuming moderate to low amounts of GBL, although I think it's strong GBL.

I'm going 1ml at a time, and waiting an hour before re-dosing.

This is interesting, when taken on it's own I usually dose ~1.9ml GBL initially, then redose ~0.8ml - generally I source pure GBL, seems pretty consistent in terms of strength.

What's your usual dosing when not using 2‑Methoxyqualone?

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

^ I always joked gbl is what "Futurama" was talking about in that "one spoonfull your calm, two spoonfulls you gunna sleep, 3 you never wake back up. (REPLACE SPOONFUL WITH ML)

 

[Bleaney]

This is a good call out for those reading, I've had an alcohol problem for decades, this amount of alcohol for me is actually pretty low in truth, for others with no tolerance though it very well might be too much. I've been gradually reducing my alcohol intake for a while and even had a 2 month break, started drinking again but at a much lower rate, and now I'm in the process of giving up again.

In fact the drink last night was most likely my last for a while, only bothered because the 2‑Methoxyqualone needed it!

I'd maintain that a single large glass of wine would be enough, even for me.


This is interesting, when taken on it's own I usually dose ~1.9ml GBL initially, then redose ~0.8ml - generally I source pure GBL, seems pretty consistent in terms of strength.

What's your usual dosing when not using 2‑Methoxyqualone?

Tbh it's been a long time since I've had proper GBL, so my memory isn't 100% as to the doses.

IIRC I was taking more than 1ml though, maybe 1.5. But I was combining it with RC stims at the time, again IIRC.

1.5 ml doses does seem to be ringing the strongest bell for the GBL that used to be available on the grey market (that whole 'not for human consumption' loophole had yet to be closed) from a German company. They would openly ship it through customs with the customs declaration stating exactly what it was, and I never had any issues with customs and shipping GBL at that time. Although I did have an embarrassing incident one time, when neighbours took a delivery when I was out, and they were mighty judgemental and censorious when they came round with my package. They obviously knew exactly what is was.

Anyway, I think 1.5 ML is an average dose, for average GBL.

But for some reason, and I don't think its just the very long break, this current stuff definitely seems stronger. I usually tried to go as many months as possible between orders, when it was available from Europe, as I was a bit wary of using it too often. Sometimes I'd even not use the whole 250 ml, or 500 ml, or 1L, or w/e the size was, and end up literally using the remainders as drain cleaner, as per it's legit use. . It was so much cheaper and very inexpensive back then, so the financial waste was not an issue, and it was certainly much less of an issue than using the stuff too often, and causing issues for myself.

I'm not sure if several years break since a previous purchase would make that much of a difference to tolerance, compared to a break of a few months. I think the difference would be negligible tbh.

Maybe in theory GBL should be a consistent strength, but I can imagine there being differences between different producers or suppliers. The BASF brand was / is meant to be particularly good, although I've never had it, so can't be sure in what way it's meant be better. But it certainly sells for premium prices, the last time I saw it on a DNM.

 

[Bleaney]

^ I always joked gbl is what "Futurama" was talking about in that "one spoonfull your calm, two spoonfulls you gunna sleep, 3 you never wake back up. (REPLACE SPOONFUL WITH ML)

Unfortunately I'm not familiar with Futarama, so without that for context, that's not really a joke, as it's not very far from the truth.

I also really dislike vague measurements, like 'spoonfull' or 'drop' etc, as I never really know how big a spoonful or a 'drop' is meant to be, and sometimes less ambiguous terminology is really important.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

A drug that's so good that you need another heavy duty sedative to make it remotely psychoactive?

This gets better and better. Sign me up.

 

[placebonaut]

Tbh it's been a long time since I've had proper GBL, so my memory isn't 100% as to the doses.

IIRC I was taking more than 1ml though, maybe 1.5. But I was combining it with RC stims at the time, again IIRC.

Maybe in theory GBL should be a consistent strength, but I can imagine there being differences between different producers or suppliers. The BASF brand was / is meant to be particularly good, although I've never had it, so can't be sure in what way it's meant be better. But it certainly sells for premium prices, the last time I saw it on a DNM.

thanks for the info.

strength's going to vary based on the supplier I guess, they can always dilute it with something.

I've heard great things about BASF, not been able to get my hands on any though, have seen it for sale but minimum amount was 1L which is way too much for me

 

[4DQSAR]

Yesterday I noted that the EU is now taxing the use of 1,4-butanediol and my first thought was that somewhere a 1,4-BDL production-line will stand idle unless they find a new market.

Then I reflected that industrial solvents need not be pure. As long as impurities don't alter it's physical properties, it's fine.

So IF 1,4-BDL suddenly gets cheap - consider the likely purity.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I am going to give you a heads up now

Mixing barbs and alcohol -- worse GBL is a damn good way to accidentally die.

Please be careful

Wanna add to this that in GBL doesnt need any other downer to feel good. Imo Qualudes the OG or anologues should suffice by their own. Like good Barb s and Clomethiazole. And whatever good downer s are out their.

good warning don t play with your life combining by literature labeled good downer. To enhance them And fuck Alcohol unpredictable might be a whole different mechanisme why it benefit the 2-methoxy experience. Keep safe ! Still would like to taste a Lude btw.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I tend to agree.

GBL has a weird tactile sensation that is pretty cool the first few times you use it -- after that it basically becomes alcohol but ya gotta drink less (and god knows the long term effects - the addiction is horrid though from what I read)

Barbs on there own I have never had enough to properly experiment with, some fiorcet, someone had methylmethaqualone (or something similar) but it tended to lead to seizures from what I read so I just took the free amnt and passed on grabbin any.

In the access range I had I prefer benzos, flubromazolam and C-lam particularly euphoric. Etizolam seemed to be but it had a gbl like 'magic goes away' and its just another benzo type effect with me

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I also really dislike vague measurements, like 'spoonfull' or 'drop' etc, as I never really know how big a spoonful or a 'drop' is meant to be, and sometimes less ambiguous terminology is really important.

That is why I clarified spoonful means ml -- id hate for anyone to take 2 spoonfuls and say "Smokeysaid it" lol

Unfortunately I'm not familiar with Futarama, so without that for context, that's not really a joke, as it's not very far from the truth.

Yea kind of an obscure reference from like 25 years ago probably --- fun show though. It was "magic honey" in the episode idk if for some reason you care its findable

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Yesterday I noted that the EU is now taxing the use of 1,4-butanediol and my first thought was that somewhere a 1,4-BDL production-line will stand idle unless they find a new market.

Then I reflected that industrial solvents need not be pure. As long as impurities don't alter it's physical properties, it's fine.

So IF 1,4-BDL suddenly gets cheap - consider the likely purity.

Did it ever get expensive? That shit use to be uber cheap at retail level.

That is a plastic precursor right? Do they have other readily available and non cost prohibitive options.....I figured that shite was around to stay

 

[4DQSAR]

Did it ever get expensive? That shit use to be uber cheap at retail level.

That is a plastic precursor right? Do they have other readily available and non cost prohibitive options.....I figured that shite was around to stay

Right on both counts.

But while a 1000L cube IS very cheap, who buys 1020Kg of 1,4-BDL? Only vendors, I assume.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I hear ya, no by retail level I meant like 1L at a time tops. Im not allowed to price but it was just a little more than half a hundred dollars ish-- it jump from there?

1000L cube --- I would have to have paperwork to try and bluff that one haha

Even than I was thinkin damn I wish I was in a country I could just buy a vat and sell that shit on auction sites (or whereever at the time)