Will i see a decent government before i die?

[Zopiclone bandit]

The way you say that it sounds like you're implying I'm thick as shit and don't know anything about anything lol. Not sure if that's your intention, or if I'm reading it wrong.

Anyway, yeah I do love the classic Dystopias.

I've read Down and Out about 3 times. I love it!!

Jack London wrote a very similar book, The People Of The Abyss, 30 years before Orwell's book. London's book is also very good. I've read that twice!

Hard to say if Orwell literally copied London's idea, but it covers exactly the same themes. With the authors immersing themselves first hand in the squalor and poverty in the most deprived areas of London (and Paris at the times.)

I loved Orwell's accounts of when he worked as a dishwasher 12 hours a day, 6 days a week or something, and would spend all his money getting roaring drunk on sundays. And then sweat the hangover out during work on the Monday.

It's like how so many people know "On The Road" by Jack Kerouac or "Naked Lunch" by Burroughs yet most have no idea about Ans the Hippos were boiled in their tanks.

 

[Bleaney]

No worries, it's no big deal, and probably me being over sensitive, but I do think saying "as if you know about XYZ" can come across as kind of patronising. I dunno. Might just be me.

Anyway, I now know you didnt mean it the way I read it.

Orwell and London have written some of my favourite books. I dunno what it is about London and his tales of Alaska, and the Gold Rush. But I enjoy them so much. Have you read the short story about the man lost in the frozen wilds and struggling to survive with a native dog tracking him, with the dog knowing full well what the situation is. And also the man is aware the dog is tracking him, and is aware the dog is aware. Both are desperate to survive, and both fear each other. Its amazing! That's as I recall it anyway. It's due a re-read. I think that one was called To Build a Fire.

Also "All Gold Canyon" is amazing, a short story about a guy meticulously working out where a rich seam of gold is, by digging little pits lengthways at intervals until he hits a seam of gold, and then he works up and down across the line of that seam, until he knows he's hit the ultimate jackpot, as he eventually finds the heaviest and richest seam. (I hope that makes sense, it would be much easier to explain with a drawing on a piece of paper!)

I wont say any more in case you've not read it yet, so no spoilers......A mini movie was made out of that starring Tom Waits as the gold prospector. It was a Western anthology of 3 short movies - The Ballad of Buster Scruggs. It was an amazing movie anthology and really interesting to see London's short story fully come to life in a short movie format!

He's written so many great short stories!

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

This is why everyone should take a few mazzies or pints of White Storm before posting, it helps avoid the overanalysing

 

[Bleaney]

Again that's debatable. It was just my interpretation. I don't see it as over-analysing. But you do. It's differing interpretations, no?

The main thing is no one's gone flying off the handle or anything, and it's all been settled amicably.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Have you read the short story about the man lost in the frozen wilds and struggling to survive with a native dog tracking him, with the dog knowing full well what the situation is. And also the man is aware the dog is tracking him, and is aware the dog is aware.

The Call of The WIld?

If it is they made a movie from it, it's got Harrison Ford in it.

The Call of the Wild (2020 film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Been reading "Free Your Mind: The New World of Manipulation and How to Resist It." by Laura Dodsworth & Patrick Fagan (he worked for Cambridge Analytica till the huge scandal & Legal Action) I had never heard of The Behavioural Insights Team (BIT) who now say they AREN'T part of the government but I think that is a lie.

The more I learn about The Behavioural Insights Team (BIT) the more I am shocked & am more sure BOTH Labour & Tory party are lower than a rented snakes belly & have the moral code of a hooker from China who's a high ranking member of The Chinese Communist Party.

As I have said before Labour & the Tory party are just two cheeks of the same ass, it isn't just those two that use BIT, every single party that sits in parliament have used or still use their services & when you learn about this group it's nothing short of the kinda stuff you see in North Korea.

Behavioural Insights Team - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Reform use them to figure out ways to get "white, working class" people even more angry about people coming over on boats, Labour use them to make sure their "Green Agenda" will be pushed through with the blessing of the general public & make their "Left wing" ideas seem great, The Tory filth use them to get The Tally-ho, Fox hunting types still shout about how Brexit has been the best thing ever & yet at the same time a total car crash due to the benefits of "Taking Back Control" not being allowed to blossom due to The E.U.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

no one's gone flying off the handle or anything, and it's all been settled amicably.

 

[Bleaney]

The Call of The WIld?

If it is they made a movie from it, it's got Harrison Ford in it.

The Call of the Wild (2020 film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No, although similar themes, this one was called To Build a Fire.

Some people consider some of Jack London's booked to be aimed at children or young adults. Even if that is the case, The Call Of The Wild is considered a classic, and is in many top 100 best books lists, and it can certainly be enjoyed by adults too.

I loved the book. I listened to the whole 12 hour audiobook in one sitting. That's quite rare for me to do that kind of thing.

I've not seen the film, I'll see if I can get hold of the download or maybe a cheap bluray off ebay. I think I'm gonna get a bluray player as even good ones are very cheap now, and films you cant find online can be found dead cheap in charity shops or ebay etc...

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

No, although similar themes, this one was called To Build a Fire.

Time to check the local Library catalogue.

Some people consider some of Jack London's booked to be aimed at children or young adults.

IMHO they are far from that, I wish kids of this day & age would take note of what he wrote, it would be far better for them to be out on a proper ramble in the wilds of Alaska or on a ramble through Texas instead of being on TikTok or checking out Andrew Tate types with their Mind Poison.

Instead of seeing a kid in their early teenage years, fat from eating way too much Chicken Nuggets, Mc Donalds etc, living their life under the glow on a screen as it fills their mind with rancid Porn & thinking they will become rich from uploading some latest dance routine to TikTok you got a whole generation that has lived this........
"Well, I been up the Mississippi to the Manitoba line
I've been downstream to the Gulf of Mexico
Followed the sun out west to California
And there just ain't no place left for me to go

Spent a lonesome month in Maine and a year in Louisiana
Packed my bags and hit the Westward Trail
Rambled down through Texas 'til I came to El Paso
Spent a week in a stinkin' Juarez jail"

You another Charity Shop hunter too?
I am a Charity Shop addict, every now & again you see on `Dickinson's Real Deal someone who has found Gold, rare pottery made by Clarice Cliff or Troika (The Cornish designer) or good quality Opal for £3, one day that will be me.

What is your best find?

 

[Bleaney]

What is your best find?

Probably a nicely modernly framed large Lowry painting that I got for £10. It looks good on my upstairs landing.

Also Ive found some good framed Egyptian style art on papyrus, also dead cheap.

I've not got into browsing blurays yet, but I've noticed there's tons of them in the charity shops, and while many people are getting rid of their physical media, there is also a strong movement growing of other people reverting back to it. According to several youchube videos I've seen. Due to some films or TV series just not being available on streaming services, or pirate bay etc, and even if you buy an electronic copy, the licencing terms mean the owners can delete your copy at any time. So I'm definitely interested in getting into bluray.

 

[Bleaney]

Time to check the local Library catalogue.

It'll be in one of his short story collections, of which there are many. I need to start getting organised as to which of his short stories I've listened to, and which ones I've not yet found a copy of.

Nearly every one I've listened to so far has been fantastic imho.

But I've probably only listened to about 10 - 15 of maybe a 100 or more of the short stories that he's written. He was very prolific.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Lowry painting

I don't intend to sound an idiot but you talking about Laurence Stephen Lowry?

Damn, I didn't think of Youtube audio, so many books are on there like Old Bill who loves his b.
I swear to God Bleaney you gotta cxheck out "You Can't Win" by Jack Black, that book is on Youtube in audio form & I always say to people if they buy the book & don't love it I will give 'em the cash back myself as I am that solid in the fact it'll knock their socks off, it's a Cult classic for a reason & if you like stuff like Mr London & have a lure for the old Hobo's / old Rambling men of The USA who wear Cowboy boots, wear their Levi's till they are falling apart, have a classic "Cowboy" hat that's covered in dust from the backroads of El Paso & spent time in Juarez you'll fall under the spell of Jack Black too.

framed Egyptian style art on papyrus, also dead cheap.

I got two in my yard, a old junkie mate left 'em in there ages ago ,you get a a good bit of coin for 'em?

 

[Bleaney]

Yeah yeah, Mr Stickman. I'm not really a huge fan or anything, but I quite like his work, and it's a good bit of decoration, and I think I was lucky to catch such a good item at such a low price.

I love the sort of tales you mention, and I have downloaded the Jack Black book, and have put it down on my list as the next to read, after my next Stephen King. I usually alternate stephen king books with non stephen king books, as for some reason, I've made it a mission to listen to all of his books in chronological order . So far I'm about 10 books in, I think, and some have been great, but a couple I've had to DNF as I really was not enjoying them.

The paparys was only about £5 or £6. I think it was home made in a kit, but the art and painting has been so well put together that it looks professional. I've bought a few more afterwards, but the artwork and painting is so much worse. Until I stumble across some better ones, those are staying up in the 2nd bedroom / store room.

 

[Ismene2]

I can't believe all these rich people whining like fuck that they'll have to pay a bit more tax. Living in a 2 million quid house they might have to pay 9 grand a year council tax instead of 3 grand a year like they have done for the last 30 years. Every paper is screaming that it's some big deal. Fuck me - if I had a 2 million quid house you could tax me as much as fucking want. Why would I care? It's like me and you giving a homeless guy a fiver.

I do like that idea Reeves might introduce tho - when multi-millionaires threaten to fuck off to Dubai cos they're too tight to pay an extra 9 grand - Labour says they'll tax 20% on the assets they leave behind. Fucking nice one!

 

[Bleaney]

Until the budget actually happens I'm not really bothering with all the speculation as to what she may or may not do.

Guessing, or believing a daily fail article, which is what the above sounds like, and then getting hot under the collar like the above people seems kind of pointless and a bit silly of them.

But yes definitely tax the rich more, those on lower wages cannot pay any more in taxes.

 

[Ismene2]

Reeves did say she wants to give benefits claimants a good shoeing tho.

 

[Bleaney]

Its always the people on benefits that get blamed for the state of the country, (after the immigrants though these days.)

 

[Jnowhere]

FOR THE LAST TIME, NO!!

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I'm fuckin done with politics.

I was always apolitical until Brexit reared it's ugly head, Johnson became PM, and the utter shambles that followed.

As a result, I identified as 'left wing'.

But recently, i've come to the conclusion that the left are just as bad as the right, if not more so.

If I hear one more blue haired lesbian chanting "from the river to the sea", when they probably have no idea which river, or which sea, I think I'll chop her dick off.

Fuck politics.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Reeves did say she wants to give benefits claimants a good shoeing tho.

Nowt wrong with benefits claimants mate, the majority of us are destined to be fully dependent upon state benefits later on in life.

In fact, it's my ambition...