Opioids 7oh and suboxone

[Sameolshiii]

Welp. I effed up. So here’s my story: I had been taking average quality powder Kratom for a decade (I would fluctuate but mainly stay between 25-30mg a day, usually close to 3 daily doses of ten 1mg capsules)…no strong extract or anything..just cheap $60 a kilo powder. In the past 3-4 years, I’d even tapered down over 3-4 wks time and successfully quit for prob 5-7 days with no withdrawals (and I’m being totally honest..and it wasn’t even hard on me during the tapering process…I was shocked each time because I was expecting hell but it never came). Even after I would successfully quit, temptation would get the best of me and I’d start right back again bc I knew those 10-12mg doses would feel good (and they did briefly) and then I’d be right back into my dumb powder habit. Well, around of June of this year, I somehow found out online about the retail 7-OH tablets in head shops and gas stations. Looked at the convenience store close to my house, and sure enough..they had several brands. Bought a pack, popped a couple and within 15 minutes felt that opiate rush/high that I honestly hadn’t felt since over a decade when I used to do oxys/roxys. I was instantly hooked. Probably only took a handful of days before I was taking between 250-300 a day (broken up into 3 or 4 doses). I have always bought and used the KAMA 7-OH/Psuedo brand. For the past week and a half or so, I’ve been taking 350 daily and I’ve blown all my money on this shit. I have to stop. I have young kids, a wife and a full time job and nobody knows anything. Yesterday I did the QuickMD doctor appt thing and got prescribed 7 days worth of 16mg a day worth of generic Suboxone film that I was instructed to take cut up into four 4mg strips A day (16mg total). Then I’m supposed to do an follow up appt so I can continue taking Sub daily until I decide I don’t want to anymore. Last night I took my normal 9pm last dose of the day 7-OH (87.5mg) and woke up this morning with my Sub. film ready to go. It wasn’t easy taking it. I had huge anxiety of making the jump to this shit. I was feeling minimal withdrawals (normal by 8 or 9am thr next morning). I was debating saying screw it and seeing if I just took my old Kratom powder, it would do the job and keep me from going into the 7OH withdrawals that I’ve read so much about. I finally said eff it and took a 4mg piece of the Sub. I then realized I may have fucked up and not waited long enough and was about to start going through precipitated withdrawals. Oh shit. I’m an idiot! Thatvwas at 9:15 this morning. It’s currently rly almost noon and I feel mostly okay. Had chills earlier and anxiety etc earlier but no chills at the moment. Now I’m wondering…am I still gonna get hit with these 7-OH withdrawals, even on top of the suboxone? Should I take my second 4mg dose of Sub around 2pm as planned? Should I say screw the Sub and maybe just take Kratom powder capsules throughout the day and see what happens? Seeking advice. I know we’re all different, and reading through this thread, I’m honestly surprised I’m not feeling worse than I am at the moment. Just venting as I’m in this by myself and honestly feel really alone and so ashamed and guilty for letting myself get in this predicament again.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Welp. I effed up. So here’s my story: I had been taking average quality powder Kratom for a decade (I would fluctuate but mainly stay between 25-30mg a day, usually close to 3 daily doses of ten 1mg capsules)…no strong extract or anything..just cheap $60 a kilo powder. In the past 3-4 years, I’d even tapered down over 3-4 wks time and successfully quit for prob 5-7 days with no withdrawals (and I’m being totally honest..and it wasn’t even hard on me during the tapering process…I was shocked each time because I was expecting hell but it never came). Even after I would successfully quit, temptation would get the best of me and I’d start right back again bc I knew those 10-12mg doses would feel good (and they did briefly) and then I’d be right back into my dumb powder habit. Well, around of June of this year, I somehow found out online about the retail 7-OH tablets in head shops and gas stations. Looked at the convenience store close to my house, and sure enough..they had several brands. Bought a pack, popped a couple and within 15 minutes felt that opiate rush/high that I honestly hadn’t felt since over a decade when I used to do oxys/roxys. I was instantly hooked. Probably only took a handful of days before I was taking between 250-300 a day (broken up into 3 or 4 doses). I have always bought and used the KAMA 7-OH/Psuedo brand. For the past week and a half or so, I’ve been taking 350 daily and I’ve blown all my money on this shit. I have to stop. I have young kids, a wife and a full time job and nobody knows anything. Yesterday I did the QuickMD doctor appt thing and got prescribed 7 days worth of 16mg a day worth of generic Suboxone film that I was instructed to take cut up into four 4mg strips A day (16mg total). Then I’m supposed to do an follow up appt so I can continue taking Sub daily until I decide I don’t want to anymore. Last night I took my normal 9pm last dose of the day 7-OH (87.5mg) and woke up this morning with my Sub. film ready to go. It wasn’t easy taking it. I had huge anxiety of making the jump to this shit. I was feeling minimal withdrawals (normal by 8 or 9am thr next morning). I was debating saying screw it and seeing if I just took my old Kratom powder, it would do the job and keep me from going into the 7OH withdrawals that I’ve read so much about. I finally said eff it and took a 4mg piece of the Sub. I then realized I may have fucked up and not waited long enough and was about to start going through precipitated withdrawals. Oh shit. I’m an idiot! Thatvwas at 9:15 this morning. It’s currently rly almost noon and I feel mostly okay. Had chills earlier and anxiety etc earlier but no chills at the moment. Now I’m wondering…am I still gonna get hit with these 7-OH withdrawals, even on top of the suboxone? Should I take my second 4mg dose of Sub around 2pm as planned? Should I say screw the Sub and maybe just take Kratom powder capsules throughout the day and see what happens? Seeking advice. I know we’re all different, and reading through this thread, I’m honestly surprised I’m not feeling worse than I am at the moment. Just venting as I’m in this by myself and honestly feel really alone and so ashamed and guilty for letting myself get in this predicament again.

FYI man the precips seem mostly in your head. You can take 7oh with suboxone same as taking suboxone with tramadol, they're both partial agonist so you won't get precips. I will say suboxone didn't do much for me with 7oh withdrawals so I suspect you were just going thru normal withdrawals. It is reported to work for some but ime it didn't do squat unless I was at a super low dose of 40-50mg per day and even still it was uncomfortable and thay was with plain leaf and mit extracts to boot. Your best bet is gabapentin or Lyrica if you can get your hands on it, plain leaf, mit extracts and stop the 7oh all together.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Welp. I effed up. So here’s my story: I had been taking average quality powder Kratom for a decade (I would fluctuate but mainly stay between 25-30mg a day, usually close to 3 daily doses of ten 1mg capsules)…no strong extract or anything..just cheap $60 a kilo powder. In the past 3-4 years, I’d even tapered down over 3-4 wks time and successfully quit for prob 5-7 days with no withdrawals (and I’m being totally honest..and it wasn’t even hard on me during the tapering process…I was shocked each time because I was expecting hell but it never came). Even after I would successfully quit, temptation would get the best of me and I’d start right back again bc I knew those 10-12mg doses would feel good (and they did briefly) and then I’d be right back into my dumb powder habit. Well, around of June of this year, I somehow found out online about the retail 7-OH tablets in head shops and gas stations. Looked at the convenience store close to my house, and sure enough..they had several brands. Bought a pack, popped a couple and within 15 minutes felt that opiate rush/high that I honestly hadn’t felt since over a decade when I used to do oxys/roxys. I was instantly hooked. Probably only took a handful of days before I was taking between 250-300 a day (broken up into 3 or 4 doses). I have always bought and used the KAMA 7-OH/Psuedo brand. For the past week and a half or so, I’ve been taking 350 daily and I’ve blown all my money on this shit. I have to stop. I have young kids, a wife and a full time job and nobody knows anything. Yesterday I did the QuickMD doctor appt thing and got prescribed 7 days worth of 16mg a day worth of generic Suboxone film that I was instructed to take cut up into four 4mg strips A day (16mg total). Then I’m supposed to do an follow up appt so I can continue taking Sub daily until I decide I don’t want to anymore. Last night I took my normal 9pm last dose of the day 7-OH (87.5mg) and woke up this morning with my Sub. film ready to go. It wasn’t easy taking it. I had huge anxiety of making the jump to this shit. I was feeling minimal withdrawals (normal by 8 or 9am thr next morning). I was debating saying screw it and seeing if I just took my old Kratom powder, it would do the job and keep me from going into the 7OH withdrawals that I’ve read so much about. I finally said eff it and took a 4mg piece of the Sub. I then realized I may have fucked up and not waited long enough and was about to start going through precipitated withdrawals. Oh shit. I’m an idiot! Thatvwas at 9:15 this morning. It’s currently rly almost noon and I feel mostly okay. Had chills earlier and anxiety etc earlier but no chills at the moment. Now I’m wondering…am I still gonna get hit with these 7-OH withdrawals, even on top of the suboxone? Should I take my second 4mg dose of Sub around 2pm as planned? Should I say screw the Sub and maybe just take Kratom powder capsules throughout the day and see what happens? Seeking advice. I know we’re all different, and reading through this thread, I’m honestly surprised I’m not feeling worse than I am at the moment. Just venting as I’m in this by myself and honestly feel really alone and so ashamed and guilty for letting myself get in this predicament again.

You're not alone man it's happened to a lot of people. 7oh causes physical dependance super duper fast so it sneaks up on the best of us. As I stated above plain leaf, gabapentin, MIT only extracts of high purity I can share my vendor in a dm if you'd like it's affordable and solid. A stimulant of some sort would do miracles as well, I can blow thru withdraw like cake with low to medium doses of Adderall or Ritalin alone it takes away all my symptoms pretty much just don't overdo it. You could also try a long acting benzo like Valium and klonopin and that'll kick a lot of the withdrawals butts but again even more so DON'T OVER DO It, benzos aren't something to be played with. It's probably the worst withdraw of them all and you do not fucking want that. I'd say a week week and a half of low dose Valium at the longest and you should be clear by then. If you have the willpower to taper the 7 go as low as you can and you can jump pretty painlessly over to plain leaf alone but you'd have to be 30-50mg max and it'd have to be a rapid taper

 

[Sameolshiii]

You're not alone man it's happened to a lot of people. 7oh causes physical dependance super duper fast so it sneaks up on the best of us. As I stated above plain leaf, gabapentin, MIT only extracts of high purity I can share my vendor in a dm if you'd like it's affordable and solid. A stimulant of some sort would do miracles as well, I can blow thru withdraw like cake with low to medium doses of Adderall or Ritalin alone it takes away all my symptoms pretty much just don't overdo it. You could also try a long acting benzo like Valium and klonopin and that'll kick a lot of the withdrawals butts but again even more so DON'T OVER DO It, benzos aren't something to be played with. It's probably the worst withdraw of them all and you do not fucking want that. I'd say a week week and a half of low dose Valium at the longest and you should be clear by then. If you have the willpower to taper the 7 go as low as you can and you can jump pretty painlessly over to plain leaf alone but you'd have to be 30-50mg max and it'd have to be a rapid taper

I took 4mg sub yesterday morning and it got me thru the day…but I felt like shit..but NOT full blown WD’s by any means. I couldn’t eat all day. Drank a 6 pack in the evening and smoked a little weed once night time came and I started feeling worse. By the time it got late, I started feeling considerably worse and it was obvious I was t going to be sleeping…so I gave in and took another 4mg sub at midnight. By just after 1am, i felt fine again and fell right asleep. I slept til 5:40 with no issue. Actually, I didn’t even move..was in the same position I fell asleep in. Woke up feeling great and have felt good all day…even ran some errands earlier. Appetite is back, etc. Just took 6mg of powder Kratom to try to get thru the day but have a feeling I’ll prob have to take more sun late tonight so I’ll be able to sleep and get up for work Monday morning. I think the plan is going to be to keep the sun use to a minimum (just enough to kee me functional and able to sleep and work) and taper off that and eventually make the switch back to normal crappy leaf Kratom like I was on for the past decade. I’d LOVE to just get back to that point. I can taper off that and quit with no WDs (done it a few times).

 

[Deleted member 585202]

Alright, so I'll be transitioning from 7oh to suboxone for like the 6th or 7th time now. My current 7oh binge has probably been the worst.

Currently have been using over 600mg of 7oh per day, and I was prescribed 16mg/day of subs, but I can adjust next week like usual.

I'm trying to find the best timing and dose to make the transition as smooth as possible and will record my progress here. The prescribing doc suggested taking it about 8hr after last dose, which is a little sooner than guidelines for introducing bupe to other opioid dependencies. In my experience the doctor is right and 8hr is a good timing. Precip withdrawal is unavoidable, so might as well start the bupe as soon as withdrawal starts and not wait until it peaks.

Also, I was glad to see that some doctors are becoming familiar with kratom and 7oh, and are recognizing that suboxone treatment is necessary.

Namaste

 

[Sameolshiii]

So far with me, I gotta say I’m pretty shocked how smooth getting off of 7OH has went with me (thank god!). Last 7oh dose was this past Friday night. Only taken subs a few times since then with the last time being 36hrs ago of a small 1mg or so dose before bed. Since then I’ve been fine without taking anymore. I’m shocked to be honest. I don’t feel 100% but probably 75%, so I’ll take it! I thought this was gonna be WAY rougher than it has been so far (knock on wood). Only bad day I had was the first day of no 7oh (this past Saturday).

 

[aspiringchemist]

Not completely, but it does block a lot of it in my recent experience.

I recently started taking suboxone after my 7oh and pseudo habit got way out of control. Out of curiosity I tried taking some after being on subs for a week and it was definitely blunted, but not completely. Kratom alkaloids are neurologically promiscuous and it hits a lot of other receptors other than MOR, which accounts for some of the effects bupe won't block. It doesn't block pseudoindoxyl, which surprisingly actually has a higher affinity for MOR than even bupe.

mu opioid receptor affinity:

7-OH-Mit: 13.5
Buprenorphine: 0.21
Mit Pseudoindoxyl: 0.087 (!!)

Sorry to bump, but that is wild. I didn’t know pseudo actually has a higher binding affinity than buprenorphine.

Quasimoto knows my story but I used pseudo and 7OH to come off a 3 year, 16mg/day nasal buprenorphine dependency; which was started for morphine and kratom addiction.

I was able to walk myself from 16mg nasally to 0.25mg/day orally with these alkaloids. However, my use has increased quite a bit. I take anywhere from 100mg-200mg of mostly pseudo daily. It sure is addictive. Got that reprehensible kratom anxiety.

 

[aspiringchemist]

I’m not discussing nor referencing numbers.

I based my erroneous assumption on the way that 7oh can break through the buprenorphine blockade.
IE
You can feel kratom, 7oh, pseudo all while being on suboxone.

Which to me meant it was displacing the bupe/naloxone at the receptor site.

Please understand that kratom is understudied. I’m relaying my experience and postulating on the phenomena.

To further our talk, if the tables you posted are legit, then it can be deduced that objectively 7oh does not have a higher affinity than buprenorphine. But subjectively, effects of that higher affinity are likely to be experienced once the 7oh converts into pseudo in the plasma. A user would still feel the displacement as a high.

Regardless I think there is some reason that 7oh Can be felt, despite the bupe having higher affinity, because the 7oh is somehow able to do so.

It could be that 7oh is converting into pseudo before it reaches the liver and displaces the bupe in the earliest stages leaving the later stages to feel the effects of the 7oh and its conversion to pseudo.

Or maybe 7oh is just shaped right to get onto the receptor simultaneously.

Idk

I’m not a researcher or a Laboratory or anything but an amateur scientist making an observation and suggesting a hypothesis.

Sorry if I had you thinking I was speaking factually. Just positing.

7OH is metabolized into pseudoindoxyl in vivo so it is likely not the 7OH you feel breaking through, but the pseudo an hour later or so

 

[helpingout]

I can feel 7 in fifteen minutes from every roa I’ve tried. Oral nasal and rectal.

Don’t take my affinity statements as factual. I have no evidence besides feeling seven and kratom through bupe. It’s a pretty huge assumption

 

[Deleted member 585202]

I didn’t know pseudo actually has a higher binding affinity than buprenorphine.

I don't think it actually does. @Skorpio pointed out that the value of 0.087 may be erroneous. Its not mentioned anywhere in the source provided on that wikipedia. The wiki may be wrong.

Plus, with my own experiments with pseudo and bupe, it definitely does not have the power to displace bupe off the receptor.

It's possible it's non competitive with bupe, but I do not think it has a higher affinity.

Also, I'm curious, are you still using hydroxie brand red box psuedo? Hope you're doing well friend.

 

[Deleted member 585202]

So far with me, I gotta say I’m pretty shocked how smooth getting off of 7OH has went with me (thank god!).

Congrats!

and yeah, I don't know if you were going off what some others here say about how suboxone doesn't really help for 7oh withdrawals, but it definitely helps me a lot... I still might have some cold sweats or a bit of skin crawling, but with suboxone I don't have any RLS or any of the more severe symptoms. It certainly helps a lot.

 

[aspiringchemist]

I don't think it actually does. @Skorpio pointed out that the value of 0.087 may be erroneous. Its not mentioned anywhere in the source provided on that wikipedia. The wiki may be wrong.

Plus, with my own experiments with pseudo and bupe, it definitely does not have the power to displace bupe off the receptor.

It's possible it's non competitive with bupe, but I do not think it has a higher affinity.

Also, I'm curious, are you still using hydroxie brand red box psuedo? Hope you're doing well friend.

Interesting; like the other guy said, I definitely felt it even through 6mg subs but it was definitely blunted.

I’m currently using both daily. I sort of leveled out at 0.25mg sub and am taking upwards of 200mg alkaloids daily. I definitely get wicked nods off of it now though the dependency is starting to present itself. It reminds me of regular Kratom withdrawal, that skin, crawling, restless, irritable, different than regular opioid withdrawal feeling. Since I’ve been taking it, I had a relapse on harder, opioids and used pseudo to come off of it; since then my dosing has increased from twice a day to four times a day and sometimes five when I work a double. This is out of necessity, because I experience withdrawal now. I do still take Suboxone along side, the alkaloids or in between if needed, but only end doses of 0.125 mg.

As for the hydroxie, not regularly. I’ve been buying from WG like we talked about, mainly the pseudo extract you mentioned earlier in this thread, and the pineapple bomb. I do occasionally buy hydroxie, though it’s too expensive in comparison to the powders. It’s interesting that you would ask this though because I’ve posted a few threads recently inquiring about skin issues with pseudo as I’ve developed the most horrendous adult acne I’ve ever seen in the last six months. There’s no accompanying rash or anything else just facial acne that will not go away.

Otherwise, I’m doing OK trying to navigate life with a psychotic disorder. Glad to hear you’re still clean/sober, alcohol is a motherfucker. I gave up the bottle in 2017 though I haven’t given up the benzos lol.

Are you using pseudo or seven anymore? I find this whole thing interesting, access to such a potent opioid, and now the potential ban. I sure hope that does not happen. I’m most definitely strung out on them but keeping it under 200mg daily, no other kratom or opioids other than the tiny amount of bupe (which I swear increases the effects), and I can still catch a good buzz and pain relief at night.

 

[aspiringchemist]

I'd agree 7oh damages a lot. It's some nasty shit in high doses for prolonged periods of time like a couple of weeks. It made me breakout like mad, arms and legs going numb constantly and my ears always felt like I was underwater. 7oh can be cool and all but I'd be careful people while you can't OD on it, even high purity powder was extremely hard on my body, even before I got to high doses started having issues when I very first started at doses as low as 60-100mg per day

7OH made you break out in acne? What kind? I’m dealing with the worst adult acne I’ve ever experienced and it happens to coincide with an increase in pseudo and 70H use. I’ve been looking for other people who may have experienced something similar as I suppose I’ll have to stop taking it if it’s the cause

 

[Deleted member 585202]

Are you using pseudo or seven anymore? I find this whole thing interesting, access to such a potent opioid, and now the potential ban. I sure hope that does not happen. I’m most definitely strung out on them but keeping it under 200mg daily, no other kratom or opioids other than the tiny amount of bupe (which I swear increases the effects), and I can still catch a good buzz and pain relief at night.

Yeah. I went to rehab a couple months ago and quit by switching to subs. I relapsed and quit subs and went back to 7oh. My use got out of control again and I've been using 600mg+ per day.

I just got prescribed subs again and I'm about to take my first dose tonight actually.

and yeah I'm worried about the ban. I need to get off it before that happens.

 

[helpingout]

Yeah. I went to rehab a couple months ago and quit by switching to subs. I relapsed and quit subs and went back to 7oh. My use got out of control again and I've been using 600mg+ per day.

I just got prescribed subs again and I'm about to take my first dose tonight actually.

and yeah I'm worried about the ban. I need to get off it before that happens.

I’m off it. When it comes time look up my username and cross reference the search to “vitamin list for opiate withdrawal”. You’ll find a list there that will make your withdrawal quite simple. You’ll find can actually get off seven in like five days. It’s worth it to not switch to buprenorphine if you think you’re ready to handle being opiate free. Getting off bupe is a lot harder than getting off seven with gabapentin and opiates.

 

[Oopsdiditugain]

First and foremost, thanks everyone. This thread was monumental. I had a decade clean from H/etc and found Kratom while on a Nootropic kick. Wanted something green and natural. Took my dumb ass over a year before I realized I had gotten myself hooked on something again, and a friend telling me exactly what Kratom was. Not once did it get me high, and any of the weird side effects I blamed on other shit. I was raising 4 kids, advancing in my career.... Fast forward to about 3 months ago, I went through some really rough shit and took 7oh simply to get high. Today, I daily over 1000mg of 7oh . I have an order of 50 - 80mg 7oh being over nighted but I need to stop. All the side effects everyone is talking about, the acne, liver pain, hearing sensitivity, etc... I really fucked up here. I was going to try subs but now I'm not so sure. What I do know, I can't go more then hours without taking at least 120mg feeling like life isn't worth it, and I panic. Unless I'm sleeping, only once have I had to wake up and dose... I can't believe I did this to myself. Can anyone recommend what I should do? I don't want to seem lazy but I literally can't think straight enough to compile everything in this thread into an action plan. What I have now: ~50-12mg 70h, ~30-0.5mg klonopin, ~20-300mg gabapentin, ~50-60mg vyvanse, 28 10mg Addy, tons of zoloft, propranolol, prazosin. I also have ~1lb red vein MD I quit taking altogether months ago, and a couple extract gummies. I don't have the money to go buy all the supplements really, but I'll figure something out if that'll help like I read. I'm in Missoula, MT, have good insurance, but not sure if I can get online bupe. I was looking at just that before I found this thread. I can't handle these wds, I really can't, mentally. My life is still GOOD, but I'm on the fringes mentally, I think because of Kratom and 7oh more then the shit that happened a few months ago. If anyone can help me set a plan please... I literally can't think straight enough to hatch this out myself and I feel dread like never before. Never thought I'd be here again, but life is so fucking hard, unfair, and Unforgiving. NOBODY knows I've done this, and that's killing me. I'm the one everyone thought made it, like really made it... I really hate that I can't use all your good info to put together a plan but I've been trying for hours before finally making an account to ask you guys for help here. I'm terrified people, lonely but surrounded by people, all the things I never thought I'd deal with again... Anyway, thank every single one of you for this epic amount of info.

 

[Deleted member 585202]

Here is my guide to transitioning from 7oh to suboxone in the most painless way:

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Kratom Thread 'Painless method to switch from 7oh to suboxone'

Oct 7, 2025

I've developed what has been the most painless method for me to switch from 7oh to subs. This is not some definitive guide, it's only what I have learned to do myself through trial and error. If anyone has any criticisms or suggestions please type away!

Transitioning from 7oh to suboxone is not as easy as you might think, but it's also not as bad as you might think with this one easy trick; for the first 3 days, you can continue taking 7oh along with the suboxone as you do a mega rapid 2 or 3 day taper. Then, on day 4, you stop taking 7oh and then begin cutting down your suboxone dose to...

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[Them Witches]

Fuck... Big Pharma really dropped the ball with 7-OH by not using it in pain management, interventional pain management, MAT, and acute post-op pain.

A 7-OH formula with an instant release outer shell and extended release inner core -- very ideal for chronic pain syndrome and cancer pain.

 

[Deleted member 585202]

First and foremost, thanks everyone. This thread was monumental. I had a decade clean from H/etc and found Kratom while on a Nootropic kick. Wanted something green and natural. Took my dumb ass over a year before I realized I had gotten myself hooked on something again, and a friend telling me exactly what Kratom was. Not once did it get me high, and any of the weird side effects I blamed on other shit. I was raising 4 kids, advancing in my career.... Fast forward to about 3 months ago, I went through some really rough shit and took 7oh simply to get high. Today, I daily over 1000mg of 7oh . I have an order of 50 - 80mg 7oh being over nighted but I need to stop. All the side effects everyone is talking about, the acne, liver pain, hearing sensitivity, etc... I really fucked up here. I was going to try subs but now I'm not so sure. What I do know, I can't go more then hours without taking at least 120mg feeling like life isn't worth it, and I panic. Unless I'm sleeping, only once have I had to wake up and dose... I can't believe I did this to myself. Can anyone recommend what I should do? I don't want to seem lazy but I literally can't think straight enough to compile everything in this thread into an action plan. What I have now: ~50-12mg 70h, ~30-0.5mg klonopin, ~20-300mg gabapentin, ~50-60mg vyvanse, 28 10mg Addy, tons of zoloft, propranolol, prazosin. I also have ~1lb red vein MD I quit taking altogether months ago, and a couple extract gummies. I don't have the money to go buy all the supplements really, but I'll figure something out if that'll help like I read. I'm in Missoula, MT, have good insurance, but not sure if I can get online bupe. I was looking at just that before I found this thread. I can't handle these wds, I really can't, mentally. My life is still GOOD, but I'm on the fringes mentally, I think because of Kratom and 7oh more then the shit that happened a few months ago. If anyone can help me set a plan please... I literally can't think straight enough to hatch this out myself and I feel dread like never before. Never thought I'd be here again, but life is so fucking hard, unfair, and Unforgiving. NOBODY knows I've done this, and that's killing me. I'm the one everyone thought made it, like really made it... I really hate that I can't use all your good info to put together a plan but I've been trying for hours before finally making an account to ask you guys for help here. I'm terrified people, lonely but surrounded by people, all the things I never thought I'd deal with again... Anyway, thank every single one of you for this epic amount of info.

You have two real options; either switch to suboxone, or taper yourself off such a massive dose (which is going to require a lot of willpower). The good news is you already have a ton of good support meds.

 

[Villindstrom]

I take 24 mg of subs and I was wondering if 1. I could take 7oh without throwing myself into precipitated withdrawal and 2. would I feel it on that much subs?