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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Methallylescaline (MAL) Thread

After re reading this thread, and my own experience, I'm not convinced this is even worth it solo. The one report ,in this thread, that shows it has therapeutic benefits is from someone who did 170 mgs

I would rather just do mushrooms or a sub 4 , for that stuff , bad habits, unresolved trauma, mending of relationships to be a sure thing

I have done this two hours prior to 5 mapb, and would do it prior to mdma

Plus drugs can help move or move us toward a direction that is helpful but arnt always the answer

I'm getting older and really not into experimenting with substances that I have already tried without knowing whether it can help me or not ,unless more research is known about it
 
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With MAL, when stated taken orally, that’s in a capsule swallowed?

Or dose placed under tongue and taken sublingual?

Planning on researching and trying to find the most convenient roa..
 
Oral means swallowed, not taken sublingually. You can encapsulate (not recommended,) dissolve in a beverage, or twist up in a piece of rolling paper to swallow.
With MAL, when stated taken orally, that’s in a capsule swallowed?

Or dose placed under tongue and taken sublingual?

Planning on researching and trying to find the most convenient roa..
 
Is anyone getting anything out of this?

I sub q ed 30 mgs and besides an inner feeling of a slight gut serotonin shift inside is what I felt, a lil more pleasant feeling, a bit of serotonin too much feeling, lightheaded, feeling did it solo

The first few times I did it oral it seemed to enhance communication around other people

Mixed with an empathogen once 5 mapbs and seemed well together 25 mgs mal then 50 mgs 5 mapb

Wouldn’t seek this out , much better out there

Used too many times in a year, even smaller doses and seemed to cause depression, if overused

Not sure it’s worth even doing solo , unless maybe combined with an empathogen and done very infrequently
 
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Oral means swallowed, not taken sublingually. You can encapsulate (not recommended,) dissolve in a beverage, or twist up in a piece of rolling paper to swallow.
Is encapsulated not recommended due to time it takes for capsule to disolve/ not dissolving properly and keeping the molecule from breaking down at an even rate of speed?
 
Basically that. Every now and then people will take something in a capsule and have something wonky happen like a two hour delayed come up. As to why that sometimes seems to happen, I could only speculate. For me, it's just easier to remove it from the equation.
 
Is anyone getting anything out of this?

I sub q ed 30 mgs and besides an inner feeling of a slight gut serotonin shift inside is what I felt, a lil more pleasant feeling, a bit of serotonin too much feeling, lightheaded, feeling did it solo

The first few times I did it oral it seemed to enhance communication around other people

Mixed with an empathogen once 5 mapbs and seemed well together 25 mgs mal then 50 mgs 5 mapb

Wouldn’t seek this out , much better out there

Used too many times in a year, even smaller doses and seemed to cause depression, if overused

Not sure it’s worth even doing solo , unless maybe combined with an empathogen and done very infrequently

For me MAL only really worked with OEV's at 63 MG.


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Is anyone getting anything out of this?

I sub q ed 30 mgs and besides an inner feeling of a slight gut serotonin shift inside is what I felt, a lil more pleasant feeling, a bit of serotonin too much feeling, lightheaded, feeling did it solo

The first few times I did it oral it seemed to enhance communication around other people

Mixed with an empathogen once 5 mapbs and seemed well together 25 mgs mal then 50 mgs 5 mapb

Wouldn’t seek this out , much better out there

Used too many times in a year, even smaller doses and seemed to cause depression, if overused

Not sure it’s worth even doing solo , unless maybe combined with an empathogen and done very infrequently

You keep saying the same thing. Maybe listen to yourself.
 
@Innerpeace (wouldn’t let me quote) have only been able to trial it once at 50mg so far but my homie has done it a bit and said 50-60mg is where it shines, at 70mg he had concerning water retention for the duration. I def think 30mg is way too low of a dose for this if you have any moderate amount of previous psych experiences
 
I'd urge prudence here. A significant number of people need 60mg for MAL to really get going. And a significant number of people need less than half that. If you read the PIHKAL entry, it reads like Sasha was a hardhead and a lot of the people that he shared it with were far more sensitive. That may be why it had such a negative reputation for so long.
 
I'd urge prudence here. A significant number of people need 60mg for MAL to really get going. And a significant number of people need less than half that. If you read the PIHKAL entry, it reads like Sasha was a hardhead and a lot of the people that he shared it with were far more sensitive. That may be why it had such a negative reputation for so long.

The two people I persuaded to take it didn't get anything from up to 42 MG either.
 
I'd urge prudence here. A significant number of people need 60mg for MAL to really get going. And a significant number of people need less than half that. If you read the PIHKAL entry, it reads like Sasha was a hardhead and a lot of the people that he shared it with were far more sensitive. That may be why it had such a negative reputation for so long.

I wonder if some people used HBR instead of HCL, or had a crummy synth or mixed up bags of powder and such. Or if some were on antidepressants.

It's barely used so our data may be bad meaning bad trip reports or sloppy dosing.
 
I wonder if some people used HBR instead of HCL, or had a crummy synth or mixed up bags of powder and such. Or if some were on antidepressants.

It's barely used so our data may be bad meaning bad trip reports or sloppy dosing.
all the MAL i’ve seen for sale is MAL fumarate, which is ~30% less potent than MAL HCl. that definitely could account for a dosage discrepancy.
 
FWIW, among the eight fairly psychedelic naive people I personally know that have taken MAL at 20-25mg, all of them had worthwhile and mostly satisfying experiences. All said that they wish it had been stronger, which I would expect. I don't think many people find it to be very psychedelic until somewhere around the 35mg mark, +/-5mg. 20-25mg seems to be a little more like MDA. Taking roughly double that at 42mg and feeling nothing at all of any salt is really interesting!
 
I took 65mg MAL and 150ug of Al-Lad. Fucking intense!!! I was also awake for 36+ hours. 14hr strong and at least as hr of distinctive afterglow. I took 1g of phenibut witht the mal and was popping edibles the whole time. I don't know when or how much of the edibles. The edibles helped add color (literally and figuratively) and flesh things out. I don't know what the phenibut did or didn't, it makes tyrptamines feel dreamier and it intensifies acid and dissociatives. I think the body energy was so strong that it might of just nullified the p-but. I can't be certain.

I took 65mg MAL 11:30pm.

First alerts 12:00am. Very faint stoned feeling with mild stomach tension.

It's nearly 1:30am and I definitely feel it. Not very visual at all but I do feel this warm energetic glowy earthy feeling.
It's that time I drop 150ug Al-Lad blotter sublingual and leave it there for 45min.

2am, I'm getting restless and need to move. I decide to go for a walk.
About 10min into the walk I feel like a tiger on the prowl. My dog notices something in some bushes and I just notice myself literally growling and snarling and jumping in between it and dog. I take a breath after I heard it jump and remind myself we're fine and then I laughed quite a bit about it. The mal was peaking when I started the walk and about halfway through I started feeling more and stronger surges and things began to glow which was the al-lad peaking.
As I keep walking these incredibly strong waves of euphoria and primal energy and instinct start coursing through me. The air on my skin is electric and every sense is highly sensitive and tuned in. I feel like an animal connected to the Earth. Lights are really bright and there's a lot of color saturation. Everything had this electric pastel glow to it. Not much waving and the path was very clear. With some tryptamines things can get so wavy I can barely walk but not at all here. There aren't really much in the way of thoughts at this point. I have to let out growls and snarls and moans and small roars. My whole body is highly activated and I feel ready to pounce. Chest puffed out and haunches kept slightly back ready to spring. In my head I notice what's happening but I can barely do anything about it, I just have to let the waves take over, then get a break, then another wave washes over me. I felt like I was a lot at that moment but at the same time not too much. I never feel okay about showing feeling really strong emotions and I felt okay doing that.

About 2:45am I finally get back home. Thank god it was real late and I didn't come across anybody on the walk, I may or may not have been able to keep my shit together. At this point the energy is still incredibly strong but it's not all body and instinct centered it starts to hit the heart more and more as time passes.

3:45am. Introspection begins to occur here. I won't call it negative, I will call it extremely challenging. It went dark into rumination, resentment. and loneliness. Then I begin to feel heart opening which was familiar from tryptamines but with way more physical energy and intensity. Then when another wave hit me I would lose my thoughts and I at times even be taken to the ground with a combination of hurt, sadness, euphoria, aggression, sexual energy and loneliness. As far as what I was actually doing on the floor I would mostly just growl, snarl, whimper, cry, and cry out. And this cycle went on for many hours. It was both physical release and catharsis. Something about the combination of euphoria, body energy, and heart opening from the drugs let the flood gates open and with mindfulness and grounding techniques I've learned over the years I could let those already softened blocks come down some more. I've learned a long time ago that fighting this kind kind of thing is a guarantee for a hellish trip and emotional troubles over the next several weeks (or even months). There's a reason newbs should start low. It takes some practice and experience to work with these type of peak experiences in a thoughtful and intentional manner.

The rest of the night and into the early and mid morning felt like this. It only started to let up sometime around mid morning. But it wasn't until 4am that I could sleep.

It was so intense I couldn't really follow any trip planner or listen to music or watch youtube or play with the pets like I usually do when I trip. I just had to let the waves pass through. There was a fair bit of body tension and a ton of jaw clenching. Way more than with mdma or 5-apb (the only two empathogens I've experienced unless you count 3-mmc).

I didn't ask myself why I felt these things, I didn't judge it I just let it pass through. A couple days later and I still notice less tension in my pelvis and stomach, my hips and back feel a little loser and my heart feels a little lighter and I find myself being a little more open with people. I'm still very much me, kind of a shy awkward urchin but I feel a little more okay about bringing and showing this awkward urchin into world and letting myself be seen and heard. I still find myself going through the protest and grief cycle after this and it seems I'm now going through integration and surrender in the days that follow. There might be a lot of time spend in integration. Usually just one trip doesn't hit me this hard it usually takes weekend after weekend after weekend before there's any kind of breakthrough.

God bless, have a beautiful day or night where ever or when ever you are in the world.
 
I took 65mg MAL and 150ug of Al-Lad. Fucking intense!!! I was also awake for 36+ hours. 14hr strong and at least as hr of distinctive afterglow. I took 1g of phenibut witht the mal and was popping edibles the whole time. I don't know when or how much of the edibles. The edibles helped add color (literally and figuratively) and flesh things out. I don't know what the phenibut did or didn't, it makes tyrptamines feel dreamier and it intensifies acid and dissociatives. I think the body energy was so strong that it might of just nullified the p-but. I can't be certain.

I took 65mg MAL 11:30pm.

First alerts 12:00am. Very faint stoned feeling with mild stomach tension.

It's nearly 1:30am and I definitely feel it. Not very visual at all but I do feel this warm energetic glowy earthy feeling.
It's that time I drop 150ug Al-Lad blotter sublingual and leave it there for 45min.

2am, I'm getting restless and need to move. I decide to go for a walk.
About 10min into the walk I feel like a tiger on the prowl. My dog notices something in some bushes and I just notice myself literally growling and snarling and jumping in between it and dog. I take a breath after I heard it jump and remind myself we're fine and then I laughed quite a bit about it. The mal was peaking when I started the walk and about halfway through I started feeling more and stronger surges and things began to glow which was the al-lad peaking.
As I keep walking these incredibly strong waves of euphoria and primal energy and instinct start coursing through me. The air on my skin is electric and every sense is highly sensitive and tuned in. I feel like an animal connected to the Earth. Lights are really bright and there's a lot of color saturation. Everything had this electric pastel glow to it. Not much waving and the path was very clear. With some tryptamines things can get so wavy I can barely walk but not at all here. There aren't really much in the way of thoughts at this point. I have to let out growls and snarls and moans and small roars. My whole body is highly activated and I feel ready to pounce. Chest puffed out and haunches kept slightly back ready to spring. In my head I notice what's happening but I can barely do anything about it, I just have to let the waves take over, then get a break, then another wave washes over me. I felt like I was a lot at that moment but at the same time not too much. I never feel okay about showing feeling really strong emotions and I felt okay doing that.

About 2:45am I finally get back home. Thank god it was real late and I didn't come across anybody on the walk, I may or may not have been able to keep my shit together. At this point the energy is still incredibly strong but it's not all body and instinct centered it starts to hit the heart more and more as time passes.

3:45am. Introspection begins to occur here. I won't call it negative, I will call it extremely challenging. It went dark into rumination, resentment. and loneliness. Then I begin to feel heart opening which was familiar from tryptamines but with way more physical energy and intensity. Then when another wave hit me I would lose my thoughts and I at times even be taken to the ground with a combination of hurt, sadness, euphoria, aggression, sexual energy and loneliness. As far as what I was actually doing on the floor I would mostly just growl, snarl, whimper, cry, and cry out. And this cycle went on for many hours. It was both physical release and catharsis. Something about the combination of euphoria, body energy, and heart opening from the drugs let the flood gates open and with mindfulness and grounding techniques I've learned over the years I could let those already softened blocks come down some more. I've learned a long time ago that fighting this kind kind of thing is a guarantee for a hellish trip and emotional troubles over the next several weeks (or even months). There's a reason newbs should start low. It takes some practice and experience to work with these type of peak experiences in a thoughtful and intentional manner.

The rest of the night and into the early and mid morning felt like this. It only started to let up sometime around mid morning. But it wasn't until 4am that I could sleep.

It was so intense I couldn't really follow any trip planner or listen to music or watch youtube or play with the pets like I usually do when I trip. I just had to let the waves pass through. There was a fair bit of body tension and a ton of jaw clenching. Way more than with mdma or 5-apb (the only two empathogens I've experienced unless you count 3-mmc).

I didn't ask myself why I felt these things, I didn't judge it I just let it pass through. A couple days later and I still notice less tension in my pelvis and stomach, my hips and back feel a little loser and my heart feels a little lighter and I find myself being a little more open with people. I'm still very much me, kind of a shy awkward urchin but I feel a little more okay about bringing and showing this awkward urchin into world and letting myself be seen and heard. I still find myself going through the protest and grief cycle after this and it seems I'm now going through integration and surrender in the days that follow. There might be a lot of time spend in integration. Usually just one trip doesn't hit me this hard it usually takes weekend after weekend after weekend before there's any kind of breakthrough.

God bless, have a beautiful day or night where ever or when ever you are in the world.
Ive read a trip report a decade ago mal combined with lad, according to the guy who wrote the trip report was one of his most intense trips. He did higher doses of both, if I remember accurately

This was in chemsforum , which went by the way side

cannabis and phenibut is best not to mix. It’s individual to mix cannabis with mal or lsd, Ime I’d rather experience one thing at a time, or a combo, if experienced in both

I’ve tried a lot of cannabis with lsd and I over ate

Decarbed thc have really made me forget a lot , but I smoked a lot and used one gram of swallowing decarbed weed , maybe gram and a half and it really had me sideways. It was far too much

Have used phenibut a lot , at the end of mdma nights for sleep. Ive combined it with mdmA, was okay but dulled the experienced a bit, okay if that’s what your after, hindsight I wouldn’t do it again

Phenibut is best at the end to sleep, not mixed with weed

Maybe it is individual since we all are chemically different
 
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