Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Methallylescaline (MAL) Thread

[Innerpeace]

Yes thats how i do it. I trip once every 1-2 month and switch substances.. tryptamins phens and lsd rotated. I even do mdma only once a year. Since im not 20 anymore. I also feel that while 2cb and shrooms could be done more long lasting stuff like lsd and mescalogs should need quite a long break

From the recent research on mdma I think one at the most two times a year. I abused ecstacy in 2000-2001 rolled thirty nights in eight months and feel it took a couple years for brain to repair. Everyone's different. Some guys claim 100 s of times in a year without feeling any cognitive damage. Even in 2017 did empathogens four times and was too much and not high dosing. I've had severe massive comedowns crying in. after empathogens use. Crying in room. Normally may get down but never just get that emotional . That is why I limited mdma use . I've done a year or two without doing it bc couldn't find anyone to do it with while in stash. Id say mdma is favorite , especially done with a soul mate

On mdma I tried THC many many times. Twenty ,twenty five it seemed to cause me an hazy feeling which I’d rather enjoy the raised dopamine, ne, serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin all combined experience than dull it with weed. To each their own. I do it so little I f I were to smoke weed it’s usually always the next day. I prefer CBD flower on mdma bc like to have a smoke on it and it eases come up

What kind of stuff do you prefer on cic or shrooms , or mdma ? I found mal is great when talking with opposite sex words and languages flow . What do you like to do on mal? I think mal is not as deep as mdma and could be used to open up with opposite sex, if you want to make that kind of connection , which you can still make it without any drugs just different

Yeah we agree, it makes it funner too not using same stuff all the time. I won't do mdma without preferably a soul mate or loved one opposite sex. Or at the least going out to a city with a friend or wingman

I found weed is good in ketamine. So far dislike weed with mal,cid, mdma, shrooms. I've tried them on all except mal. Definitely felt a mood enhancement on mal but not a lot, think highest went was 25 mgs

 

[darktide]

From the recent research on mdma I think one at the most two times a year. I abused ecstacy in 2000-2001 rolled thirty nights in eight months and feel it took a couple years for brain to repair. Everyone's different. Some guys claim 100 s of times in a year without feeling any cognitive damage. Even in 2017 did empathogens four times and was too much and not high dosing. I've had severe massive comedowns crying in. after empathogens use. Crying in room. Normally may get down but never just get that emotional . That is why I limited mdma use . I've done a year or two without doing it bc couldn't find anyone to do it with while in stash. Id say mdma is favorite , especially done with a soul mate

On mdma I tried THC many many times. Twenty ,twenty five it seemed to cause me an hazy feeling which I’d rather enjoy the raised dopamine, ne, serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin all combined experience than dull it with weed. To each their own. I do it so little I f I were to smoke weed it’s usually always the next day. I prefer CBD flower on mdma bc like to have a smoke on it and it eases come up

What kind of stuff do you prefer on cic or shrooms , or mdma ? I found mal is great when talking with opposite sex words and languages flow . What do you like to do on mal? I think mal is not as deep as mdma and could be used to open up with opposite sex, if you want to make that kind of connection , which you can still make it without any drugs just different

Yeah we agree, it makes it funner too not using same stuff all the time. I won't do mdma without preferably a soul mate or loved one opposite sex. Or at the least going out to a city with a friend or wingman

I found weed is good in ketamine. So far dislike weed with mal,cid, mdma, shrooms. I've tried them on all except mal. Definitely felt a mood enhancement on mal but not a lot, think highest went was 25 mgs

Well for acid i like big open air psytrance festivals with my close friends getting into trolling people,dancing all night long watching the dusk and dawn,eating fruits. But i also like long hikes or skiing. For mushrooms its more of a hike in the woods. For mdma i like it best with a loved one raving or just talking a lot.

I did try mal ina festival setting but it was only 2500 people in a hilly forested small festival. I liked it for it but i think if i could i would do it again with friends probably and durring daytime becouse i did not find that the visuals were realy enhanced by the night like mushrooms lsd 2cb or mdma would.

For me weed is a must for msot psychedelics it smoothens and strengthens them but it could be becouse im probably a bit younger than you and in the future my once a week weed consumption will go even less frequent.

Also a question how does mal (or mescaline) compare to AL or proscaline,escaline ?

 

[Innerpeace]

Well for acid i like big open air psytrance festivals with my close friends getting into trolling people,dancing all night long watching the dusk and dawn,eating fruits. But i also like long hikes or skiing. For mushrooms its more of a hike in the woods. For mdma i like it best with a loved one raving or just talking a lot.

I did try mal ina festival setting but it was only 2500 people in a hilly forested small festival. I liked it for it but i think if i could i would do it again with friends probably and durring daytime becouse i did not find that the visuals were realy enhanced by the night like mushrooms lsd 2cb or mdma would.

For me weed is a must for msot psychedelics it smoothens and strengthens them but it could be becouse im probably a bit younger than you and in the future my once a week weed consumption will go even less frequent.

Also a question how does mal (or mescaline) compare to AL or proscaline,escaline ?

Why do you troll people?

One time I was rolling with friends and guy friend started making fun of me. I simply asked him are you really my friend?

I know dudes like to crack on one another , even buds or friends, in front of others, but that time cause blood pressure to raise, and cortisol as well. Was about four hours into a triple stack ecstacy pill and didn't help the vibes. Anyways he ended up in prison for ten years for breaking into an elderly man's house and stealing bc he was a cocaine addict, the guy heard something and he hit him knocked him down and ran. He got out of prison in 2012, yes you can see I'm older, his parents bought him a 23 k detailing van, which he did for work as long as I knew him. He did well for a couple years , then starting stealing customers credits cards, as he was addicted to coke again , went back to prison for ten years again. He got out a few months ago and his parents can't help him, except for a place to live, it's near the beach, a single building next to their home. Some people like him didn't belong doing coke bc he had extreme mental discipline. He's the first guy I rolled with, I drove from TN to nsb , Florida to try ecstacy in 2000. Daytona can be fun and had a trance dance club . Anyways, I've only have done mal out of all the escalines as it supposed to be the most similar to mesacline

 

[darktide]

Why do you troll people?

One time I was rolling with friends and guy friend started making fun of me. I simply asked him are you really my friend?

I know dudes like to crack on one another , even buds or friends, in front of others, but that time cause blood pressure to raise, and cortisol as well. Was about four hours into a triple stack ecstacy pill and didn't help the vibes. Anyways he ended up in prison for ten years for breaking into an elderly man's house and stealing bc he was a cocaine addict, the guy heard something and he hit him knocked him down and ran. He got out of prison in 2012, yes you can see I'm older, his parents bought him a 23 k detailing van, which he did for work as long as I knew him. He did well for a couple years , then starting stealing customers credits cards, as he was addicted to coke again , went back to prison for ten years again. He got out a few months ago and his parents can't help him, except for a place to live, it's near the beach, a single building next to their home. Some people like him didn't belong doing coke bc he had extreme mental discipline. He's the first guy I rolled with, I drove from TN to nsb , Florida to try ecstacy in 2000. Daytona can be fun and had a trance dance club . Anyways, I've only have done mal out of all the escalines as it supposed to be the most similar to mesacline

Sory to hear about your friend,coke is a hell of a drug and very few people can keep their personality unchanged while using it. Thanks god i stayed away from it.
You and i have a different meaning for trolling i guess but thats probably becouse of cultural differences.im from central europe and noticed this while i studied in the us and in western europe . By trolling i mean talking to random people through open chanels in the walki-talkies and inviting them to beatbox battles and such. Making riddles to tripping peoples while tripping. I guess it is ingrained in my personality also and lsd brings is out . But no wonder lsd is a powerfull psychedelic with quite a lot of dopaminergic activity and has a more profound effect on peoples behavior than say mushrooms 4aco-met or mal.

I wanted to ask; did you have visions while on mal ? A lot a of people say that higher doses of mescaline does produce visions. I only had low dose of mesc experience and this 35 mg mal was what psychonautwiki refers as a common dose. Even though the closed eye visuals were more like scenarios of the future and they were fun to watch .intrestingly on this substance talking to the oposite sex seems realy easy,too bad my girlfriend was not with me.

 

[Innerpeace]

Sory to hear about your friend,coke is a hell of a drug and very few people can keep their personality unchanged while using it. Thanks god i stayed away from it.
You and i have a different meaning for trolling i guess but thats probably becouse of cultural differences.im from central europe and noticed this while i studied in the us and in western europe . By trolling i mean talking to random people through open chanels in the walki-talkies and inviting them to beatbox battles and such. Making riddles to tripping peoples while tripping. I guess it is ingrained in my personality also and lsd brings is out . But no wonder lsd is a powerfull psychedelic with quite a lot of dopaminergic activity and has a more profound effect on peoples behavior than say mushrooms 4aco-met or mal.

I wanted to ask; did you have visions while on mal ? A lot a of people say that higher doses of mescaline does produce visions. I only had low dose of mesc experience and this 35 mg mal was what psychonautwiki refers as a common dose. Even though the closed eye visuals were more like scenarios of the future and they were fun to watch .intrestingly on this substance talking to the oposite sex seems realy easy,too bad my girlfriend was not with me.

yeah total different defination of the word trolling. its an online thing. I ve been using it incorrrectly all this years in real life. I guess you can use the word troll like this.

That sounds fun as you're interacting with people. I can see where it can bring out creativity. I didnt know lsd causes dopamine to go high. Dopamine repleshes itsel;f well, from what I understand, as long as it doesnt get too high. Ive never done cocaine either. Tried it maybe five at the most times, probally less, and last time was 2001. Ive never had visons on mal. I once subqed it, or im, I forget, and felt like serotnin was released. Ive never gotten that from oral mal. I agree with talking to the opposite sex seems to be easier. Its not all rolly like mdma, esp at 100 mgs plus, more calm and present, while colors do seem brighter, probally do to feeling more positive. Its been shown whether off substances or not, if you feel negative colors arent as bright and beautiful,, colorful, and if feeling really good about like colors enhance and are brighter, more beautiful

Ive mixed mal (25-35 mgs I forget)then two hours later 5 mapbs (50-60 mgs). My girlfriend became very emotional after the mal, and caled her aunt up to talk about her mother. gf lived with her mom, which kept the heat on 85 degrees, and she sweated nonstop. We then did 5 mapb , smoked some cannabis cbd, and went into a full on roll. They had synergy for sure. 5 mapb is gone now, and I would mix mal with mdma. That said moxy 5 meo mipt is supposed to be awesome alone or with mdma and can be smoked. Ive been putting off on buying that bc I have so much in my stash, and havent used, nor really have no desire to , right now besides maybe an occional ketamine . Even then, ive done dissocaitives like 15 x's probally since 2023, and the newbie beginner phase is gone, and it either makes me dizzy or if I khole, I get wonky and things have gitten weird in my thinking, strange thoughts I wouldnt normally think, otherwise if its for severe depression or life overwhelm it can help at least a day or so afterwards. I am quite and a lot discplined so I can go months without using k while still in stash

 

[The Holy Quadruplty]

Im on mescaline type drxxz right now. Lol

 

[Innerpeace]

Im on mescaline type drxxz right now. Lol

Is it mal?

@darktide do you prefer or feel shrooms, or sub 4 typts like 4 aco dmt , are good used solo, when possibly staying in for the night solo?

I’ve done them in nature a good bit 4 ho mipt and solo. First time was with soulmate I keep mentioning

I truly feel mal and possibly mescaline type are best used with opposite sex one on one if possible after much experimentation. . Every one is different though that is what seems to be best for me when using escalines from experience. Even talking on the phone

 

[darktide]

Im on mescaline type drxxz right now. Lol

Hell yeah brother ! How did you like it ?

 

[darktide]

Is it mal?

@darktide do you prefer or feel shrooms, or sub 4 typts like 4 aco dmt , are good used solo, when possibly staying in for the night solo?

I’ve done them in nature a good bit 4 ho mipt and solo. First time was with soulmate I keep mentioning

I truly feel mal and possibly mescaline type are best used with opposite sex one on one if possible after much experimentation. . Every one is different though that is what seems to be best for me when using escalines from experience. Even talking on the phone

Well to reply i only tryed shrooms dmt 4ho-mipt and 5meo-mipt (thats a diff category of psychedelic i recon)
And i think nearly always with people. I like those in the nature and in the dark with a small company but i never teipped alone,im a bit afraid of it to be honest. First i like to take care of other people and second its not a bad thing that someone is also looking out for me. I could probably trip alone i have many times played with the tought. Regarding drug use safety comes for me first.

Regarding MAL it was an interesting thing becouse only i had it now,and never heard anyone in my country ever trying it. So i had to be the subject and did it in a small psyfest. My girldriend was not around and it was a tough test for me becouse i meet with 3 different hippy girls and 1 cardiologist that i know from different places and all of them wanted to have sex with me.
Maybe it was the fact that i have a stable high income job or more probably that im a weirdo for knowing a lot about drugs and trying out exotic ones. Or maybe it was the mal-s stimulation and euphoria radiating from my face.

Good thing is i did not give in to the seduction and insted explored the music,and my mind further. But yes i do see potential in mal as an enhancer of sexual or maybe more precisely love enhancer drug. I do think that mdma has a tremendous potential in it and also 2cb.

Replying to your previous post yes LSD is dopaminergic. Mainly D2 agonist. It does not release dopamine like an amphetamin or inhibits its reuptake like cocaine but its a direct receptor agonist. Lyserficamids are uniqe in that regard.thats why it can feel so euphoric in the right setting. Lsd also act on adrenergic receptors but in a clinicaly insignificant way and more serotonin receptors than most psychedelics. (5ht5 5ht7)
Tryptamins effect the 5ht1a and phenielthylamins usualy only the 5ht2a-c .

 

[The Holy Quadruplty]

Hell yeah brother ! How did you like it ?

Good, i take them everyday although not recomended i beleive. Im talking about Nutmg.

 

[Innerpeace]

Well to reply i only tryed shrooms dmt 4ho-mipt and 5meo-mipt (thats a diff category of psychedelic i recon)
And i think nearly always with people. I like those in the nature and in the dark with a small company but i never teipped alone,im a bit afraid of it to be honest. First i like to take care of other people and second its not a bad thing that someone is also looking out for me. I could probably trip alone i have many times played with the tought. Regarding drug use safety comes for me first.

Regarding MAL it was an interesting thing becouse only i had it now,and never heard anyone in my country ever trying it. So i had to be the subject and did it in a small psyfest. My girldriend was not around and it was a tough test for me becouse i meet with 3 different hippy girls and 1 cardiologist that i know from different places and all of them wanted to have sex with me.
Maybe it was the fact that i have a stable high income job or more probably that im a weirdo for knowing a lot about drugs and trying out exotic ones. Or maybe it was the mal-s stimulation and euphoria radiating from my face.

Good thing is i did not give in to the seduction and insted explored the music,and my mind further. But yes i do see potential in mal as an enhancer of sexual or maybe more precisely love enhancer drug. I do think that mdma has a tremendous potential in it and also 2cb.

Replying to your previous post yes LSD is dopaminergic. Mainly D2 agonist. It does not release dopamine like an amphetamin or inhibits its reuptake like cocaine but its a direct receptor agonist. Lyserficamids are uniqe in that regard.thats why it can feel so euphoric in the right setting. Lsd also act on adrenergic receptors but in a clinicaly insignificant way and more serotonin receptors than most psychedelics. (5ht5 5ht7)
Tryptamins effect the 5ht1a and phenielthylamins usualy only the 5ht2a-c .

Five supposed to be different than four. 5 meo mipt supposed to be one of the best with sex from what I hear . Ive heard its one of the only typt that worth smoking as well, mixed with cannabis. Some say you can smoke 4 typts but ehhhhh, never became that interested, Never done 5 meo. The 2,3,4 times I did 4-ho-mipt alone, I cried a lot, massively. I did it in parents house and saw dads shirt on his bed, when I went into their room, and saw it was a smaller size then he used to wear. I just lost it completyely grasping for air as I cried, . Afterwards I lay down and saw patterns of different shapes moving on the ceiling and such. Then I felt really good, like the crying caused a release or feeling good. Solo, when having the house with your the only person in it, you can really let go, if need be. That was a long time ago

When Im fully with my girlfriend I dont seem to hang with party or social friends much, ambitious friends, with other areas, gym pals, real estate pals but not single friend sthat want to get laid. I dont activtiy go out to clubs , bars, with her bc one relationship we went out and it was a diaster. she got drunk, flirting with dudes, and dudes flirting back, anyways she was an alocholic, ended that, was fun for a sex, but wouldnt deal with the alcohlism and cheating

I dont think its a good idea if in a relationship to really go out socially to events where drugs, pretty girls, girls looking for dick , in groups, couple of girls , or solo, when truley and fully in a relationship. I can still go to clubs, bars, but I am getting older and really dont actively do it or havent in years

Mal does seem to be a love enhancer drug

 

[Innerpeace]

Good, i take them everyday although not recomended i beleive. Im talking about Nutmg.

Nutmeg the stuff you buy in grocery stores and can make recipes with?

 

[The Holy Quadruplty]

Nutmeg the stuff you buy in grocery stores and can make recipes with?

Yee as it has drugs that have similar effects to Mescaline like Elemicin for example which metabolizes to Metylmescaline for one.

I beleive some can a drug in Nutmeg can isomerize into a drug that metabolizes to a drug that metabolizes into MDA as well.

I also have read Myricticin whuch us another drug in Nutmeg can metabolize into MMDA, but there's not enogh evidence, or whatever

 

[jveiojajoivioedsac]

I recently posted a criticism of psychedelic drugs that draws on Indian and Jewish spirituality in the Philosophy and Spirituality forum and it states that psychedelic drugs can oxidize serotonin. No one has addressed it yet, so I figured I'd post it in reply to your post.

'The use of drugs depletes ojas and deranges the prana and the tejas. A typical ojas-depleting drug is marijuana; others include peyote, psychedelic mushrooms, LSD, ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, amphetamines, and ketamine. One of the most serious problems associated with these herbal and pharmaceutical drugs is their effect of hyperstimulating the serotonin concentrations through a variety of mechanisms to create neuronal destruction from an excess of serotonin, which then becomes oxidized. In this oxidized form, the serotonin is neurotoxic.'

Gabriel Cousens. Spiritual Nutrition (2005). From the section 'Drug Use' in chapter 25. Emphasis mine.

See the full post here: The Damage Drugs Inflict On The Spiritual Body

I recently posted a criticism of psychedelic drugs that draws on Indian and Jewish spirituality in the Philosophy and Spirituality forum and it states that psychedelic drugs can oxidize serotonin. No one has addressed it yet, so I figured I'd post it in reply to your post.

'The use of drugs depletes ojas and deranges the prana and the tejas. A typical ojas-depleting drug is marijuana; others include peyote, psychedelic mushrooms, LSD, ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, amphetamines, and ketamine. One of the most serious problems associated with these herbal and pharmaceutical drugs is their effect of hyperstimulating the serotonin concentrations through a variety of mechanisms to create neuronal destruction from an excess of serotonin, which then becomes oxidized. In this oxidized form, the serotonin is neurotoxic.'

Gabriel Cousens. Spiritual Nutrition (2005). From the section 'Drug Use' in chapter 25. Emphasis mine.

See the full post here: The Damage Drugs Inflict On The Spiritual Body

This some total bonkers bullshit.

If this were right then the Mormons would be really cool people.

This is the type of thing people expect that people on drugs would write. It's fucking terrible.

Gross.

 

[jveiojajoivioedsac]

Took about 50mg of MAL fumarate a couple of weeks ago along with my girlfriend and another friend. Myself and my girlfriend had taken acid about 5 days prior but my friend had not. My friend and I had both drank about a litre of chocolate milk roughly an hour before taking the MAL and both of us felt no effects from the MAL after about 2 hours while my girlfriend who didn’t drink any milk absolutely felt the MAL. Is this a known interaction with phenethylamines and milk that I’ve never heard about?

Anyway, I plan on mixing some MAL with MDMA and LSD on new year’s eve, will try and provide some sort of report of that experience!

Quikky the Quik bunny is a known third eye pilferer and preys upon the boob chakras and sucks out all the evil brain destroying drugs for his own evil hoard. Obviously, he is attracted to chocolate milk. I hope you learned your lesson.

 

[The Holy Quadruplty]

Nutmwg has a drug that metabolizes into a drug that metabolizes into Mescaline (or one of its isomers if im not wrong about any of this).

 

[jveiojajoivioedsac]

Nutmwg has a drug that metabolizes into a drug that metabolizes into Mescaline (or one of its isomers if im not wromg about any of this).

You are correct. You gotta suck that nut until it mesticles in your brain.

 

[Pfafffed]

There's a whole lot of wild and wacky pharmacokinetic speculation happening in here.

I wonder why it is that people have such widely different individual dosage-response curves with methylallylescaline? Based on PIHKAL reports, Shulgin was apparently a hardheaded, but the people he shared it with were not.

 

[darktide]

There's a whole lot of wild and wacky pharmacokinetic speculation happening in here.

I wonder why it is that people have such widely different individual dosage-response curves with methylallylescaline? Based on PIHKAL reports, Shulgin was apparently a hardheaded, but the people he shared it with were not.

Well maybe there is a thing as perma tolerance to psychedelics like to dissos ? Its just a hypothesis of mine based on that over the years i could do increasing doses of psychedelics. But other factors are also at play. Since i started venturing out from the classic lsd-mushrooms duo to other psy-s and reading more forums,reddit and psychonautwiki my capacity to handle psys had increased, at least to the mental effects.

Anyway back to MAL.. does anyone else feel sad that we can not experience this gem again ?

 

[Innerpeace]

Well maybe there is a thing as perma tolerance to psychedelics like to dissos ? Its just a hypothesis of mine based on that over the years i could do increasing doses of psychedelics. But other factors are also at play. Since i started venturing out from the classic lsd-mushrooms duo to other psy-s and reading more forums,reddit and psychonautwiki my capacity to handle psys had increased, at least to the mental effects.

Anyway back to MAL.. does anyone else feel sad that we can not experience this gem again ?

Mal is plentiful still. I cant use it that much bc when I did I got severe manic depression. Phenethylamines for some reason seem to do this when used too much or abused, cause severe depression episodes. Did it like 10 x's in a a year. Never again. I could have known to respect it. more, and rotate or even use nothing for a while, instead of using this repeatedly. The reason I like to do this is for therapy

Mal is more eurphoric and I have felt a definate serontin fuzzy feeling shift on a fast come up

Like psilocybin all the deep stuff comes up , say a good dose 3 grams or 30 mgs. lsd only done 100 mcg and it was light, and nothing like psiloybin, or sub 4's, where those negative habit patterns come up and get to cleanse yourself so to speak and get a different veiw, at least temporaly. Its not wise to do it all the time though, esp when been doing these a while, and I did 4 aco dmt two weeks ago. Ketamine is always nice , at a not too high dose, not to wonk wonk wonk where you cant even open your eyes

Its been over a year and have used 4 aco dmt, lsd, mdma, lsd, and 4 aco dmt since done this. Could do it solo in a house , or if I can find someone. At my age , getting the house to myself is sort of rare so I may just do this or not do anything at all. sometimes its best to hold back, and if all thats done is cannabis and or maybe ketamine , because as far as studied unless incorrect, ketamine really is forgiving if not abused, correct?

there can always be another time in a couple or few months